The Mourinho Thread

[Heisenberg 1,824]

We didn't actually sack him though, he left on "mutual agreement"

terms, I know people will claim that was basically a sacking, yet people don't

seem to remember what the atmosphere was like. Not only did we start the season

with some poor results and some dire results, there was constant news

reports of infighting between the board, Jose and the players (if you believe

Makalele's autobiography Terry was directly involved with the toxic atmosphere

that was developing with Jose), so it was not exactly like everything was rosy

then the 'evil' members of the board conspired against him because they did not

like him and wanted him to go.

And here's the thing, Jose is all about Jose, he is a cult of

personality that does it for his personal glory. O.K that’s fine if you want to

have instant success but unless he is given full control which is

becoming rarer in football and clubs that have boards that play a more active

role in the footballing affairs is a fact of life) he will eventually get into conflict

with someone and create a toxic atmosphere. Here it was with the board, and

with Madrid its with both the board and the players. What I'm trying to say is

that he is not the guy that takes clubs forward in the sense that he will put

in the foundations to make the club both in terms how we use players in terms

of acquiring them and replacing them and the general atmosphere in a state

where it can be sustainable. Like I said previously here is hedonism personified,

the kick feels great and it seems to be unstoppable, but once you run out the withdrawal

can be a nightmare.

For example after he left, our fortunes we went in almost complete free

fall. four years after he left we went two seasons without a trophy, one more

premier league title where we could only win by one point and a dressing room

that was too powerful, had too many big egos in it and was a nightmare for

managers to get a grip on it, either being forced out or having to take such a

lax approach that players could almost get away with murder and not be

punished (Ashley Cole shooting someone with an air rifle springs to mind).

Yes, we won a couple of trophies, and you may well say that it was Jose's influence that won them. But that may very well not happen next time. Hell, look at Inter Milan, after he left he created an almost unmanagble dressing room with big egos, but they went the complete opposite way. Choulo said it best:

This is why I find some of the fan mentality absolutely cringe

worthy - when I read posts like "OMG JOSE'S COMMING HOME!!!" and

"We really need Jose, his going to save us!", its making Jose bigger than

the club, in the sense that they are falling or his cult of personality and trying

to make it that he is Chelsea. You could say that if he was here like Alex at

Man Utd, but he can’t stay at a club for more than 3 years, gets into conflict

with someone in the club and his whole career is going from club to club trying

to give them instant success before bugging off and leaving the club he left to

do the hard work of rebuilding. Is he a great manager, no doubt about it, bout trying

to make it as though Jose and Chelsea are somehow spiritually one, I find nauseating

and insulting to the club. Sure if you want him so it may give us a few

trophies in his short time before moving on then fine. But don't pander that he

is the long term saviour of Chelsea and the club personified, its bollocks.

He is our saviour in terms of having a manager for more than six months ! It is hot response for most of fans here when you see your favourite manager in London, i see no problem with that.

You say that José is not the one that takes club forward, are you serious ? We were nothing compared to where we are ! He won us titles, respect, some jalousy from others, and made us a great team, now, for the egos & Terry-José problem, that is absolutely true.But, you dont sack managers because of a bad start of the season, look at Galliani & Allegri, Milan were 17st in october if my memory is right, they are second now, we'll never know if he could "lunch the Chelsea machine" that season, and he had injuries.

Your vision of José is a person who love himself too much and create problems with his players because he thinks he is right most of times, well, it is true, but, if your players who won nothing begins to win titles when you arrives, you deserve fucking respect for your winning methods at training.Just like Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds United, Mourinho will always have this confrontational style, its his nature, i think Terry surely regreted his departure.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Oh no, oh no, you have to put my line in the right context ! He said that José isnt bigger than 107 of Chelsea's history, something completely no-sense, so I answered that we are in 2013 and financially, we are we are in another world, dont try to take what you want of my words, I also said " the club need mister Mourinho because of his magnificent capacities to win trophies and move the club forward"

Basically you're trying to deny the huge José Mourinho's work and titles by saying the he won by an ugly way and with Roman's money, it is a shame really, because he deserve far more respect, we played superbe football in his two prime seasons at the club, we dominated the league against the Arsenal's and United, we were imbeatable at times, 86 games unbeaten at home before Avram, you cant have such records by playing in a defensive style.

I'm really not.

I'm saying that what he needs to do this time is different from what he needed to do in 2004.

[Leif 6,006]

Just a note: The fact that Mourinho was indeed in Portugal just a day or 2 ago for a ceremony and that Porto-based Youth Coach then brought up last night that he'll be joining us adds to the credibility IMO. (Mourinho always visits the Porto HQ when he's in the country apparently.)

No doubt Spanish papers that are pro-Madrid will try and make it all out as "Mourinho is just on holiday in London", but honestly, I doubt it. Who wants to holiday in some rainy grey city the very day after being in sunny Portugal? Hmm.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Is mourinho really in london to hold talks with roman or just to enjoy his free time?

Nobody knows, but I guess he could enjoy his free time in Spain.

[Hutcho 8,443]

We didn't actually sack him though, he left on "mutual agreement"

terms, I know people will claim that was basically a sacking, yet people don't

seem to remember what the atmosphere was like. Not only did we start the season

with some poor results and some dire results, there was constant news

reports of infighting between the board, Jose and the players (if you believe

Makalele's autobiography Terry was directly involved with the toxic atmosphere

that was developing with Jose), so it was not exactly like everything was rosy

then the 'evil' members of the board conspired against him because they did not

like him and wanted him to go.

And here's the thing, Jose is all about Jose, he is a cult of

personality that does it for his personal glory. O.K that’s fine if you want to

have instant success but unless he is given full control which is

becoming rarer in football and clubs that have boards that play a more active

role in the footballing affairs is a fact of life) he will eventually get into conflict

with someone and create a toxic atmosphere. Here it was with the board, and

with Madrid its with both the board and the players. What I'm trying to say is

that he is not the guy that takes clubs forward in the sense that he will put

in the foundations to make the club both in terms how we use players in terms

of acquiring them and replacing them and the general atmosphere in a state

where it can be sustainable. Like I said previously here is hedonism personified,

the kick feels great and it seems to be unstoppable, but once you run out the withdrawal

can be a nightmare.

For example after he left, our fortunes we went in almost complete free

fall. four years after he left we went two seasons without a trophy, one more

premier league title where we could only win by one point and a dressing room

that was too powerful, had too many big egos in it and was a nightmare for

managers to get a grip on it, either being forced out or having to take such a

lax approach that players could almost get away with murder and not be

punished (Ashley Cole shooting someone with an air rifle springs to mind).

Yes, we won a couple of trophies, and you may well say that it was Jose's influence that won them. But that may very well not happen next time. Hell, look at Inter Milan, after he left he created an almost unmanagble dressing room with big egos, but they went the complete opposite way. Choulo said it best:

This is why I find some of the fan mentality absolutely cringe

worthy - when I read posts like "OMG JOSE'S COMMING HOME!!!" and

"We really need Jose, his going to save us!", its making Jose bigger than

the club, in the sense that they are falling or his cult of personality and trying

to make it that he is Chelsea. You could say that if he was here like Alex at

Man Utd, but he can’t stay at a club for more than 3 years, gets into conflict

with someone in the club and his whole career is going from club to club trying

to give them instant success before bugging off and leaving the club he left to

do the hard work of rebuilding. Is he a great manager, no doubt about it, bout trying

to make it as though Jose and Chelsea are somehow spiritually one, I find nauseating

and insulting to the club. Sure if you want him so it may give us a few

trophies in his short time before moving on then fine. But don't pander that he

is the long term saviour of Chelsea and the club personified, its bollocks.

Can't you just say,

We are in need of a great manager.

Mourinho is a great manager.

He has a great history with us.

We need a great man manager

He is a great man manager.

He is the special one.

No one thinks he is bigger than the club. But we will get excited about this as much as we would get excited about signing hazard for example.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Awwww its ridiculous, really.Give Mourinho same time Mancini had with the same amount spent, he'll bring you two Premier Leagues, two FA Cups & one League Cup.

In one season!

[Marvin123 539]

Well it seems to be falling together piece by piece, maybe it was the truth last year that he wanted to join but didt want to be known as the guy that replaced fan favourite diMatteo,

But in replacing Benetiz he automatically boosts how much we love him...

Anyway imagine what he could do with these players at his disposal, and we all know he will bring in a couple more...

If in fact he does become our manager again and it isn't just 'visiting'

[Heisenberg 1,824]

In one season!

I counted this season bro, and you understand what i meant so dont complicate the thing.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I counted this season bro, and you understand what i meant so dont complicate the thing.

It was joke that if Jose had Mancini's squad he'd win 2 PLs and FA cups in one season..never mind

[karaclouds 47]

Is mourinho really in london to hold talks with roman or just to enjoy his free time?

Cannot resist Harrods Trying to figure what eggs to buy for his omelette!

[Heisenberg 1,824]

It was joke that if Jose had Mancini's squad he'd win 2 PLs and FA cups in one season..never mind

I'm only posting consistently since one week, i'm a bit new to the forum so sometimes, i may be too serious.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Right, before this gets out of hand, people do know that Jose has a house in London and that his daughter goes to college there, right? He probably visits London a dozen times a year...

Jose really does like to make headlines, making sure he gets spotted in London just as the rumors are picking up steam

[xPetrCechx 13,582]

Right, before this gets out of hand, people do know that Jose has a house in London and that his daughter goes to college there, right? He probably visits London a dozen times a year...

Jose really does like to make headlines, making sure he gets spotted in London just as the rumors are picking up steam

Chris Cohen Doesn't lie!

Jose will not do it to chelsea fans again...

[Hutcho 8,443]

Very true. But Jose must know what he is gonna do and loves playing with the media, so it might not mean that much but i would rather see him in london than not...

Tbh, it would be worth Jose coming back just for the press conferences and the character.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Chris Cohen Doesn't lie!

Jose will not do it to chelsea fans again...

Not saying that he is not joining Chelsea in the summer, just that that's probably not why he's in London now.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Not saying that he is not joining Chelsea in the summer, just that that's probably not why he's in London now.

Ahhhh lets all think that he is here for Roman, this will make us happy at least some moment, after all, it is not in our hand.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Rui Sa Lemos @RuiSaLemos

Yesterday my account was hacked. they wrote me that stuff about mourinho and have fooled everyone

[We Hate Scouse 10,332]

Rui Sa Lemos @RuiSaLemos

Yesterday my account was hacked. they wrote me that stuff about mourinho and have fooled everyone

Why would someone hack an account just to write that

Someone got a bollocking and is backtracking....

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Can't you just say,

We are in need of a great manager.

Mourinho is a great manager.

He has a great history with us.

We need a great man manager

He is a great man manager.

He is the special one.

No one thinks he is bigger than the club. But we will get excited about this as much as we would get excited about signing hazard for example.

I'm not denying those two points, but I think the term don't turn back comes to mind, especialy with such a short term manager who is no garuantee to have the same success as he did last time. And from what I have seen in peples overly dramatic posts, it does seem they put him bigger then the club.

[We Hate Scouse 10,332]

If it's all true, I'll be Sam's little bitch for a month.

Could be dangerous....I'm just a bus journey away!