The Mourinho Thread

[Fernando 6,488]

BULLSHIT. jose to chelsea was OBVIOUS since jan-feb. OBVIOUS. he had made some comment of how he would not be in RM next season in a PC at that time. RAFA was not going to stay for another season. i remember after a PL match in his interview, rafa was asked if he ll be staying at chelsea for the next season, he smiled and asked the reporter "what do u think?". JOSE to chelsea was done way before SAF took his retirement and mancini was fired. so jose was not considered for it because the deal was DONE, not because his CV was not good enough.

as for rafa, he did an okay job. nothing more, nothing less. people still forget that we were 2nd with just 4 points off united before he came. we ended the season 20 odd points behind them and that was when united played their last 5 games as dead rubbers. we lost COC, club world cup, fa cup. at one point of time 4th spot seemed to be a dream, specially when we lost 2-1 to southampton when rafa preferred to rest our players for a useless fa cup game against united rather than making sure of the 4th spot. also there were some hopelessly poor performances. bucuresti(a), qpr (h), southampton (a) etc. the only reason rafa is given any respite here is because we ended the season on an ultimate high.

also i cant believe i am trying to defend jose's appointment against rafa's. anyways rafa was no option. it was so obvious. the fans dint want him. the board dint want him (u know something is wrong when the manager of the team says things like "i should have been named manager and not interim manager"). so what other option did we have?

I think this article speaks louder then any words I can say:

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/14305-the-mourinho-thread/page-417

[didierforever 7,349]

I think this article speaks louder then any words I can say:

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/14305-the-mourinho-thread/page-417

too long, got some work... can u give me gist of the article or rather the point u want to make.

[Roquila 1,335]

Aubameyang and mkhitaryan finishing is light years better than any of our attacking midfielders. Light years, they score most of their chances. So thats an unfair comparison, because klopp's tactics focuses mostly in the attack and all attackers who play for dortmund fluorish

And that's my concern, Who were Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan last year? Can Klopp buy Kalou and make him score like them? I think motivation plays a big role and i think we lack motivation and i don't know why. When you compare Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan to Hazard and Oscar what's your first thought? 'Hazard and Oscar are miles ahead of them' That's what you will say and maybe they are. Performance counts and our players aren't performing how the should and that's why i said they are underperforming against lesser teams.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

And that's my concern, Who were Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan last year? Can Klopp buy Kalou and make him score like them? I think motivation plays a big role and i think we lack motivation and i don't know why. When you compare Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan to Hazard and Oscar what's your first thought? 'Hazard and Oscar are miles ahead of them' That's what you will say and maybe they are. Performance counts and our players aren't performing how the should and that's why i said they are underperforming against lesser teams.

They aren't peforming consistently, your right.

But I was just pointing out that the attacking 3 behind dortmund are better finishers than any of our six attacking midfielders.

But our attackers are underpeforming though, no denying that.

[Yasser 63]

Jose Mourinho's reaction to journalist after he asked the same question:

[Jase 43,479]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSF-ceRrkFA

[Tomo 21,733]

@Fernando,

Barcelona were not bad last year, they got 100 points because Tito put an huge emphasis on smashing the small teams, which meant they still won the league despite not beating Madrid at-all.

They were still good the season before that, yes we knocked them out but that just shows how hard it is in the CL, we got knocked out in 2005 at our best by a average Liverpool side, you literally only have to be in that competition to win it, as we and Liverpool both showed. You can be the best team over 2 legs and still go out, 2009 we comfortably contained Barca at the Nou Camp and battered them at the Stamford Bridge and got knocked out, 2012 they battered us and we went through.

I personally don't think Madrid will get close to another La Liga for the next 5 years atleast, and then they will realize just how good Jose was for them.

[English Freak 456]

@Fernando,

Barcelona were not bad last year, they got 100 points because Tito put an huge emphasis on smashing the small teams, which meant they still won the league despite not beating Madrid at-all.

They were still good the season before that, yes we knocked them out but that just shows how hard it is in the CL, we got knocked out in 2005 at our best by a average Liverpool side, you literally only have to be in that competition to win it, as we and Liverpool both showed. You can be the best team over 2 legs and still go out, 2009 we comfortably contained Barca at the Nou Camp and battered them at the Stamford Bridge and got knocked out, 2012 they battered us and we went through.

I personally don't think Madrid will get close to another La Liga for the next 5 years atleast, and then they will realize just how good Jose was for them.

I agree with your point about Barcelona...but to say Madrid won't be close to winning La Liga in the next 5 years is taking it a bit far.

I reckon Madrid are just as good as Barcelona...the only difference for me is team chemistry.

Where Barcelona have only added 1 new player, Real Madrid have added 3 new players in key positions.

[I_Just_Blue_Myself 29]

i really liked his comparison to eggs. young players need good support in order to become great.

[OneMoSalah 8,788]

And that's my concern, Who were Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan last year? Can Klopp buy Kalou and make him score like them? I think motivation plays a big role and i think we lack motivation and i don't know why. When you compare Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan to Hazard and Oscar what's your first thought? 'Hazard and Oscar are miles ahead of them' That's what you will say and maybe they are. Performance counts and our players aren't performing how the should and that's why i said they are underperforming against lesser teams.

Aubameyang was always someone dubbed with a big future years ago, he used to play for AC Milan as a kid but was let go due to attitude problems.... then he picked his career back up in France with Dijon, Lille, Monaco and Saint Etienne.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Phasing out 4-2-2...Genius

Mour:

If I have a triangle in midfield I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. Thatâs because I will always have an extra man. It starts with (French midfielder Claude) Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other teamâs wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop thingsâ.

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[Sidzeret 2,257]

Double post

[Barbara 15,149]

Ok but on the successfull Mourinho Team, he had better defensive midfielders.

And at Inter, he had three forwards who could run quite a lot, Eto'o and Milito or outmuscle opposition with Pandev. Cambiasso Motta in midfield were comfortable sitting quite deep and are good passers.

Except Schurrle, who have we who is glad to run a lot after the ball. And our midfield is the shittiest Mourinho has had.

And we play with a central defense sitting deep who puts more pressure and work on our midfield, they have to run a lot more.

It's not a squad for Mourinho.

Mata and Hazard will not play like they were under Benitez where the team was more compact and with quicker movements around them.

The defense sitting so deep is a huge problem for me as it slow our build-up too much and is making easier for the opponents to close down our players.

Luiz breaking from defense integrated in a system is a plus , not like Saturday where it's improvised and because he was pissed.

Completely disagree with that. The combo of Ronaldo + Ozil is so much better than any dream of Mata and Hazard, it's like light years ahead of them and they absolutely flourished under José. Even di María + Ozil gives Mata + Hazard a run for their money because ignoring ceilings, potential and all that stuff, di María had a more consistent (meaning less ups and downs) season than Hazard [injury aside] and really, comparing Mata and Ozil is only possible when Mesut is too focused partying or completely uninterested otherwise there's also no comparison. He's better than Mata in very possible aspect (as a #10). The rest of this post is not a response to you, but to many posts here (just to clarify).

The only team in the world more attacking prone (or natural) than Real Madrid is Dortumund and that's debatable. And the Real Madrid I've watched under Mourinho is one of the most exciting teams to watch playing, but he didn't find the perfect system for the team in half a dozen matches. I'll start quoting my own posts from 2 months ago because they fit more now than ever.

Now if you guys were happy with what Benitez did tactically four months down the road and that is barely winning against Europa League competition and fighting until the last round for an EPL third place, then be my guests and carry on the comparisons. Rafa has always been aware he was an interim that should present the short-term result. He failed saving the team in the UCL (although let's be fair, there wasn't much he could have done, we were already on brick of being knocked out in the groups stage), with a lot of difficulty and some serious dangerous and lucky matches we finished 3rd 2 digits behind the champions and we struggled royally against the likes of Europa League in a couple of matches - in addition to the losses, that is. So make your pick. Choose the short-term and Mourinho sucks for not continuing with the oh-so-efficient tactics that proved to give us such amazing results - titles wise. Also let's be practical. All Mazacar, Benitez or whoever you want to throw in the equation won us was a EL title. Not even one of the domestic cups they were capable of bringing. So I really can't understand why people are whining about us last season when we had one of the worst seasons in recent years.

When a few of us kept saying the goals this season shouldn't be too high nearly the whole forum agreed - a few us said QF/SF in UCL and top 3 in EPL and there were a lot of people agreeing that was reasonable and realistic. Five matches later and people are complaining through their pores saying all kind of BS about our players, our board and our manager. Five matches... really I try to make up my mind around that all the BS I read here is because of five matches, but I fail to understand how that is even possible...

[TrippingStep 336]

Completely disagree with that. The combo of Ronaldo + Ozil is so much better than any dream of Mata and Hazard, it's like light years ahead of them and they absolutely flourished under José. Even di María + Ozil gives Mata + Hazard a run for their money because ignoring ceilings, potential and all that stuff, di María had a more consistent (meaning less ups and downs) season than Hazard [injury aside] and really, comparing Mata and Ozil is only possible when Mesut is too focused partying or completely uninterested otherwise there's also no comparison. He's better than Mata in very possible aspect (as a #10). The rest of this post is not a response to you, but to many posts here (just to clarify).

The only team in the world more attacking prone (or natural) than Real Madrid is Dortumund and that's debatable. And the Real Madrid I've watched under Mourinho is one of the most exciting teams to watch playing, but he didn't find the perfect system for the team in half a dozen matches. I'll start quoting my own posts from 2 months ago because they fit more now than ever.

Now if you guys were happy with what Benitez did tactically four months down the road and that is barely winning against Europa League competition and fighting until the last round for an EPL third place, then be my guests and carry on the comparisons. Rafa has always been aware he was an interim that should present the short-term result. He failed saving the team in the UCL (although let's be fair, there wasn't much he could have done, we were already on brick of being knocked out in the groups stage), with a lot of difficulty and some serious dangerous and lucky matches we finished 3rd 2 digits behind the champions and we struggled royally against the likes of Europa League in a couple of matches - in addition to the losses, that is. So make your pick. Choose the short-term and Mourinho sucks for not continuing with the oh-so-efficient tactics that proved to give us such amazing results - titles wise. Also let's be practical. All Mazacar, Benitez or whoever you want to throw in the equation won us was a EL title. Not even one of the domestic cups they were capable of bringing. So I really can't understand why people are whining about us last season when we had one of the worst seasons in recent years.

When a few of us kept saying the goals this season shouldn't be too high nearly the whole forum agreed - a few us said QF/SF in UCL and top 3 in EPL and there were a lot of people agreeing that was reasonable and realistic. Five matches later and people are complaining through their pores saying all kind of BS about our players, our board and our manager. Five matches... really I try to make up my mind around that all the BS I read here is because of five matches, but I fail to understand how that is even possible...

Well, I'm not a fan of Terry and Ivanovic as right back in our back 4, it means defense in the backfoot and not pushing while defending.

And the reason while I say we should have kept Benitez is because if he was the Chelsea coach and had his wishes, I'm sure we would have bought central midfielders.

And he did also a good job to give some pace back in some players like Torres and Hazard by changing a bit the physical training.

And ok, you are making a lot of excuses for Mourinho but Benitez had to take a team during a season when we played every three days, with a very thin squad, with many players already in their knees and in a downward spiral. With so few days between matches that means not many long training sessions, he still changed a lot the way we played, we had good patterns of run and interchange of position in the finalt third of opponents and on corners, set pieces, very good patterns to free a man like the ivanovic goal in the final, the terry goal against Steaua and some others I don't remember.

I didn't agreed with some of his initial selections in the first matches but in the last 3-4 months, I really liked the way we played and the many beautiful actions that were obviously rehearsed during the training sessions as the timing of runs and interchange of positions cannot be as clears as they were if improvised.

What I like the most was that the defense was pushing higher and were not backtracking to their box as the first option, the way we dominated Arsenal in the first half with great pressing game, great off-side trap, I enjoyed it.

Ronaldo is the best athlete in the game and for me Ozil was playing better in the German national system.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g4j0vSEm4s

[Special Juan 27,439]

Our manager is fucking class.

[Fulham Broadway 16,931]

Top analogy from Mr Portugeezer.

I am eggspectant now for the season, and look forward to watching Hatch of the Day.