The Mourinho Thread

[Peace. 4,352]

Mourinho: "If you are in a club that wins, if you want to win again you have to create instability in the winners, make them doubt.“ [GQ]

 

Yep, he is definitely the right manager to build stability and a dynasty. I don't know why Roman did not see that.

[Fernando 6,453]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

 

 

As predicted, the (justifiable) digs at our board have already started. Also, as if we didn't know, he CLEARLY had targets he wanted that the board utterly failed to secure and thought that the same squad was good enough to repeat.

Still no excuse to be one point above relegation zone. And heck tottenham and Leicester doing fine without spending too much. 

He can cry all he wants. If he can't produce with one season of little spending then he ain't as good as he thinks he is. 

[manpe 10,861]

He didn't create any instability in Ivanovic.

[The Chels 2,502]

Of course, the players' complacency was all the board's fault and had absolutely nothing to do with Mourinho's lack of rotation or meritocracy that gave rise to his 'untouchables'. Speaking in May last year:

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'The players I am looking for are my players, the players I want to keep. Last season I had players I wanted to sell. The most important thing in the market is not to lose players. How can I find a better striker than Diego Costa? A better midfielder than Matic? A better right-back than Ivanovic? ( ) .Our squad this season was very good. We didn’t have many injuries. We had three players play 38 matches of the Premier League. If you come to a champion team you are not a big name. The big names are the champions.'

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/jose_mourinho_reveals_chelsea_transfer_plans_with_two_or_three_surprise_signings_possible_1_4090328

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, The Chels said:

Of course, the players' complacency was all the board's fault and had absolutely nothing to do with Mourinho's lack of rotation or meritocracy that gave rise to his 'untouchables'. Speaking in May last year:

"A better RB than Ivanovic"

Perhaps the club signed Ivanovic to a longer deal so we can get a decent offer from Man Utd when Mourinho signs up

[Pizy 18,368]

What he said there is common sense, though. You win the title and should build upon the team to elevate yourself even further. You don't rest upon your laurels and feel content. Anyone and their mother could see that as the season went on we became weaker and weaker.

When you don't bring in new, top class players the current lot didn't feel threatened or any pressure. They turned up fat and out of shape and comfortable knowing that their places weren't under threat. Most probably felt like our board did; that "oh, we won the title at a canter last season, we'll do the same this year."

As City found out after their last title win, you can't buy a handful of average squaddies and no top quality first XI addictions and replicate the success when everyone around you improves.

Of course Mourinho deserves plenty of blame for the fighting, the outburts, and the sometimes stupid tactics, but I can't help but feel that he would 100% still be Chelsea manager today if we had had a brilliant summer like we did in 2014.

[The Chels 2,502]

The full interview for anyone interested: http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/jose-mourinho-jaguar-f-pace-interview

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'I always say I need competition – I need competition every week. In Spain I was at an amazing club but I had four matches a year – Barcelona v Real Madrid, Real Madrid v Barcelona – and after that you win 4-0, 5-0, 5-1, 6-1…'

His selective memory is pretty funny. Somehow his Real side managed to drop points in 12 games in his last season there, despite playing only four matches.

[Fernando 6,453]

13 minutes ago, Pizy said:

What he said there is common sense, though. You win the title and should build upon the team to elevate yourself even further. You don't rest upon your laurels and feel content. Anyone and their mother could see that as the season went on we became weaker and weaker.

When you don't bring in new, top class players the current lot didn't feel threatened or any pressure. They turned up fat and out of shape and comfortable knowing that their places weren't under threat. Most probably felt like our board did; that "oh, we won the title at a canter last season, we'll do the same this year."

As City found out after their last title win, you can't buy a handful of average squaddies and no top quality first XI addictions and replicate the success when everyone around you improves.

Of course Mourinho deserves plenty of blame for the fighting, the outburts, and the sometimes stupid tactics, but I can't help but feel that he would 100% still be Chelsea manager today if we had had a brilliant summer like we did in 2014.

I still remember saying at the beginning of the season that I would have been happy with second or third this season just as long as we play youth. 

We just didn't do that and he actually created instability with the whole Eva shenanigans....

As said before genius in short term but can't do it past 3 seasons. His attitude is not good for a squad long term. 

And if people are happy with his 3 years time then fine he's your man. But I really think the club wants to go beyond the 3 year revolving doors. 

[TheIceMan 596]

10 hours ago, stroey said:

This post is just like your profile pic, UGLY. 

The guy who took us to relegation battle, LOL maybe you should check our history with him: 
- 3 Premier league titles
- 1 FA cup
- 3 League cups 
- 3 CL semifinals 

Maybe this is the reason why some of the Chelsea fans adore him, love him or at least respect him. Unlike ungrateful fans like you and your Emenalo fan buddies who can only focus on the bad 4 months out of his 5.5 years at Chelsea.  

And who the fuck you think you are to say we're pretending to be Chelsea fans, just fuck off already you piece of plastic ungrateful gloryhunter. 
 

Tell'em!!! The fucktard!

[Peace. 4,352]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

As predicted, the (justifiable) digs at our board have already started. Also, as if we didn't know, he CLEARLY had targets he wanted that the board utterly failed to secure and thought that the same squad was good enough to repeat.

 

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

What he said there is common sense, though. You win the title and should build upon the team to elevate yourself even further. You don't rest upon your laurels and feel content. Anyone and their mother could see that as the season went on we became weaker and weaker.

When you don't bring in new, top class players the current lot didn't feel threatened or any pressure. They turned up fat and out of shape and comfortable knowing that their places weren't under threat. Most probably felt like our board did; that "oh, we won the title at a canter last season, we'll do the same this year."

As City found out after their last title win, you can't buy a handful of average squaddies and no top quality first XI addictions and replicate the success when everyone around you improves.

Of course Mourinho deserves plenty of blame for the fighting, the outburts, and the sometimes stupid tactics, but I can't help but feel that he would 100% still be Chelsea manager today if we had had a brilliant summer like we did in 2014.

 

He is only right in the limits of his own vision of what should be the aims of this club. However, it happens that the person who defines our goals is Roman, and not Mourinho. Perhaps it was not in Roman's mind to buy a new set of players any time we would win a trophy. Perhaps it was not in Roman's mind to have a club ressemling a war-zone. And perhaps it was not even in Roman's mind to win the League again, at any cost ?

We can think it is quite the contrary. Roman probably does not need Chelsea to win everything and to win by any means. That is how he has acquired his wealth, so we can presume he got himself a football club to relax and to have positive moments — seeing how happy and smiling like a kid he was when RLC scored, it might as well be true. I am pretty sure that an oligarch does not need to be taught the magic formula to win something : to spend a lot of money. He has already did that in the first five years. Now that he has won everything, he probably wants to have a club that plays good football and that has a friendly atmosphere — and winning trophies in such a way would be the next step. At the end of the day, if Roman was so focused on winning, he would most certainly not have waitied the ninth defeat and to be one point ahead the relegation zone to sack him.

And you suggest that the club 'utterly failed to secure [the players Mourinho wanted]'. I would reply you 1) : did they fail, or did they not want to ? 2) did the players even wanted to play for him ? Indeed, a player we had but was shuned by Mourinho was bought for £64m — more than Zidane — one year after we sold him... And with Mourinho thinking we have to buy new players after winning a trophy, maybe the board did think twice before purchasing Pogba ? Selling a player bought for £80m after two years is rather silly — buying a player for £80m so he can clean the bench is even more. And let's look the situation through Pogba's point of view. He had teams like Madrid and Barcelona after him — the later having won the Champions League while playing an extremely good football, and with players playing with a big smile on their face. Therefore, the perspective to play as a midfielder-center-back in a team that plays boring and negative football probably did not make him salivate. It is without mentioning that he had the possibility to be the star of la Vecchia Signora — a team that just reached the CL final and won the Seria A, and to which he 'owes' his career.

 

The bottom line is that there is a world apart between what Mourinho wants and what it seems to be Roman's will. The portuguese wants to win and only to win, even if he has to poke-eyes his way to it. Roman, on the other hand seems to be more interested with enjoyment. The question now is, what on earth went through Roman's and the board's head when they dicided to appoint Mourinho.

[Fernando 6,453]

1 hour ago, Peace. said:

 

 

He is only right in the limits of his own vision of what should be the aims of this club. However, it happens that the person who defines our goals is Roman, and not Mourinho. Perhaps it was not in Roman's mind to buy a new set of players any time we would win a trophy. Perhaps it was not in Roman's mind to have a club ressemling a war-zone. And perhaps it was not even in Roman's mind to win the League again, at any cost ?

We can think it is quite the contrary. Roman probably does not need Chelsea to win everything and to win by any means. That is how he has acquired his wealth, so we can presume he got himself a football club to relax and to have positive moments — seeing how happy and smiling like a kid he was when RLC scored, it might as well be true. I am pretty sure that an oligarch does not need to be taught the magic formula to win something : to spend a lot of money. He has already did that in the first five years. Now that he has won everything, he probably wants to have a club that plays good football and that has a friendly atmosphere — and winning trophies in such a way would be the next step. At the end of the day, if Roman was so focused on winning, he would most certainly not have waitied the ninth defeat and to be one point ahead the relegation zone to sack him.

And you suggest that the club 'utterly failed to secure [the players Mourinho wanted]'. I would reply you 1) : did they fail, or did they not want to ? 2) did the players even wanted to play for him ? Indeed, a player we had but was shuned by Mourinho was bought for £64m — more than Zidane — one year after we sold him... And with Mourinho thinking we have to buy new players after winning a trophy, maybe the board did think twice before purchasing Pogba ? Selling a player bought for £80m after two years is rather silly — buying a player for £80m so he can clean the bench is even more. And let's look the situation through Pogba's point of view. He had teams like Madrid and Barcelona after him — the later having won the Champions League while playing an extremely good football, and with players playing with a big smile on their face. Therefore, the perspective to play as a midfielder-center-back in a team that plays boring and negative football probably did not make him salivate. It is without mentioning that he had the possibility to be the star of la Vecchia Signora — a team that just reached the CL final and won the Seria A, and to which he 'owes' his career.

 

The bottom line is that there is a world apart between what Mourinho wants and what it seems to be Roman's will. The portuguese wants to win and only to win, even if he has to poke-eyes his way to it. Roman, on the other hand seems to be more interested with enjoyment. The question now is, what on earth went through Roman's and the board's head when they dicided to appoint Mourinho.

It was because of Mourinho shadow more then anything. 

He had left such a legacy that it was too hard to pass by. 

But after this stint the club can lift up and move on from that shadow and go and create whatever they desire. As we won't have to look back and wonder what if. What if we gave Mourinho a second chance? 

Now we know and everyone can move on. 

[Blue Armour 4,278]

2 hours ago, Pizy said:

What he said there is common sense, though. You win the title and should build upon the team to elevate yourself even further. You don't rest upon your laurels and feel content. Anyone and their mother could see that as the season went on we became weaker and weaker.

When you don't bring in new, top class players the current lot didn't feel threatened or any pressure. They turned up fat and out of shape and comfortable knowing that their places weren't under threat. Most probably felt like our board did; that "oh, we won the title at a canter last season, we'll do the same this year."

As City found out after their last title win, you can't buy a handful of average squaddies and no top quality first XI addictions and replicate the success when everyone around you improves.

Of course Mourinho deserves plenty of blame for the fighting, the outburts, and the sometimes stupid tactics, but I can't help but feel that he would 100% still be Chelsea manager today if we had had a brilliant summer like we did in 2014.

Although it doesn't excuse the team from dropping below 16th in the table, I agree with that sentiment. We were definitely not going to challenge for the title based on this transfer window.

Its practically the same thing that happened in 2010-2011 after Carlo's double winning season. We became too reliant on Drogba, Anelka and Malouda on replicating the same performances from last season.

On the other hand, what happened after our 2004-2005 title win? We went out and got Michael Essien to improve on an already strong squad....no surprise that was our last back-to-back title win.

 

 

[Tautvix 1,321]

Well this is actually a done deal for Jose to Man Utd.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10158263/jose-mourinho-hints-his-next-job-will-be-in-the-premier-league

The difference is he will get full board support. Knowing that Woodward has such a big ego he will buy Jose all players he wants and this is how they will get stability. Also, if we don't get the right manager, we will be miles away from City and Utd in the next years.

[Nero 1,838]

 

[Last Sicarius 610]

Mata will be happy : D Moreover, it will be weird when UTD and us didnt reach top 4 in this season :V

 

[Leif 6,006]

What if Jose messed this season up on purpose, as a gift to us? He saw how talented our youngsters were and felt that now more than ever they deserve to play. That won't happen in the CL though.

Theres little more he could do. Thank you for giving our youngsters a chance Jose 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

The fact is Mourinho is yesterdays man. His antiquated tactics, his refusal to change and his all round persona will lead to him being a disaster at Man United. It won't be the Man United fans who will first turn against him it will be the English media as they fucking love Man United. When we played them in the Champions League final in 2008 there was almost a campaign for them to win we were nothing but an afterthought. If he gets the job I guarantee the first thing the B.B.C will do will put out a documentary called '' The Special One's Destiny'' or some bollocks like that. ITV had a documentary about Ryan Giggs taking over from Moyes for six games for fucks sake despite at the time his private life being all over the tabloids.

[Fernando 6,453]

1 hour ago, Tautvix said:

Well this is actually a done deal for Jose to Man Utd.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10158263/jose-mourinho-hints-his-next-job-will-be-in-the-premier-league

The difference is he will get full board support. Knowing that Woodward has such a big ego he will buy Jose all players he wants and this is how they will get stability. Also, if we don't get the right manager, we will be miles away from City and Utd in the next years.

Meh just like how Mourinho was supposed to dominate for years to come with Chelsea. Boring! 

If but now you have not learned then you will never learn. The pl is changing rapidly that even the elite clubs are having a tough time. 

I wouldn't be surprised that if next season everyone is all about pep and Mourinho that some other team does good. Like it has been this season with Leicester and Spurs.