The Mourinho Thread

[robsblubot 3,502]

2 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

But there is a middle ground. There's not just parking the bus or playing like Barcelona. Imo we should adopt an attacking possession based style and try and play our own game but if we face teams like Barcelona or Bayern then yes ofcourse we'll have to go a bit more defensive but do we really need to completely forsake our own system ? Cannabalise our own attacking power ? Put 10 players in our own box and hope for the best ? Because when you say "was jose right ?" that's what jose is all about against the big teams, parking the bus. Nullifying the opposition at the cost of his own team's attacking strenght and i just don't agree with that.

 

 

 

I don't disagree that there must be a middle ground, but at this moment, we may be just too much on the cheap for that too.

either we are all full on it on the criticism to our players, or they are indeed insufficient and therefore tactics must Indeed focus on defense.

we can't have it both ways. 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 hour ago, Robguima said:

I don't disagree that there must be a mddle ground, but at this moment we may be just too much on the cheap for that too.

either we are all full on it on the criticism of our players, or they are indeed insufficient and therefore tactics must Indeed focus on defense.

Well i think it's a mixture of the 2. Next season we definitely need better players at key positions ( defense and midfield need a bit of an overhaul) but the criticism of our players has been over the top aswell. 

The majority of our players aren't as bad as they've been playing this season. Also there's been some improvement under Hiddink.

Costa is scoring again. Fabregas is getting back to his best. If Hiddink can get Hazard back to his best or closer to it then our attack should be back in business.

Our defense is a bit of a worry as even at their best they still need plenty of protection to be solid but Hiddink has gone a different way to "protect" them.

Under Mourinho, in big games, we put everyone behind the ball and took as little risks as possible.

Hiddink is proving right now that there's a different way to deal with having a poor defence. Instead of putting as many players behind the ball as possible we're actually trying to press high up the pitch and when we do sit deep we don't sit as deep as we did under Mourinho.

We're still making it difficult for the other team when they enter our half. We're not allowing them to just stroll into our final third. Under Mourinho i felt like we made it too easy for the opposition at times.

 

[The Skipper 20,593]

8 hours ago, Essien19 said:

It's his freakin' birthday, but even that is not enough to cut this man some slack, lolz.
Chill bro, not worth getting upset, just the internet...

There's a difference between cutting him slack and saying that we miss him and need him...

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Look, I'm happy for all he has brought to this club and hope he enjoys a happy birthday, but saying how times are 'sad' and that we need him is just completely deluded. It's almost cult-like. We have made massive improvements given the context we were and that alone makes us happier. Some here are willing to go back to that rubbish Football just for the sake of Jose being manager. Chelsea is above any player, manager, or owner.

[Essien19 1,415]

It's his freakin' birthday, but even that is not enough to cut this man some slack, lolz.

Chill bro, not worth getting upset, just the internet...

There's a difference between cutting him slack and saying that we miss him and need him...

Shouldn't have said 'we', some people don't see it that way. You're right!

Anyway don't want to discuss on the man's birthday whether he's a such a failure just because one bad half of a season.

Regards!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I don't think anyone can rationally say that we've missed Jose. We are clearly improving substantially since his departure in both performances and more importantly results.

That said, I do agree with something he said before he left: He did do an incredible job last season, particularly in the first half, to get these players playing WAY above their standards and winning the title. I genuinely doubt any other manager would have managed it because this squad is simply not good enough.

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

3 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

I don't think anyone can rationally say that we've missed Jose. We are clearly improving substantially since his departure in both performances and more importantly results.

That said, I do agree with something he said before he left: He did do an incredible job last season, particularly in the first half, to get these players playing WAY above their standards and winning the title. I genuinely doubt any other manager would have managed it because this squad is simply not good enough.

So, by that logic he either got them deliberately playing way below par at the start of this season  -or the players downed tools. If its the latter its shocking for whatever reason, no excuses.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So, by that logic he either got them deliberately playing way below par at the start of this season  -or the players downed tools. If its the latter its shocking for whatever reason, no excuses.

I've said this before, but I think it's just the nature of his motivation and man-management techniques that they will always be short-term and have a tendency to blow back after winning major silverware. 

But even that, I think, was just one factor at the start of this season. Another is the awful post/preseason format we did that left the players well behind everyone else fitness wise, then there was the bad publicity and the effect it had on moral, and the fact that some key players returned from vacation a bit overweight and others started the season in a very nonchalant taking-it-for-granted attitude and whole other bunch of factors but I think the motivation was probably the biggest one. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

4 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

I've said this before, but I think it's just the nature of his motivation and man-management techniques that they will always be short-term and have a tendency to blow back after winning major silverware. 

But even that, I think, was just one factor at the start of this season. Another is the awful post/preseason format we did that left the players well behind everyone else fitness wise, then there was the bad publicity and the effect it had on moral, and the fact that some key players returned from vacation a bit overweight and others started the season in a very nonchalant taking-it-for-granted attitude and whole other bunch of factors but I think the motivation was probably the biggest one. 

So its the latter then. Players have a responsibility paid hundreds of thousands a week not to come back fat from pre season.

There is a bit of the three season syndrome and Jose spat his dummy out over the lack of transfers, and the Buckenalo mediocre names now outsourced -however the players didn't perform for the club, their employer, for whatever reason and need to look at themselves over that.

[Essien19 1,415]

48 minutes ago, Hybrid Angel said:

Look, I'm happy for all he has brought to this club and hope he enjoys a happy birthday, but saying how times are 'sad' and that we need him is just completely deluded. It's almost cult-like. We have made massive improvements given the context we were and that alone makes us happier. Some here are willing to go back to that rubbish Football just for the sake of Jose being manager. Chelsea is above any player, manager, or owner.

We will see it in the long run, but our style of play has improved, currently, i'm not denying that.
There are reasons for the failure, maybe some players didn't want to play for the manager anymore and decided to let the club down, could be the case or not, who knows...
The point is Jose Mourinho isn't standing above the club, i think 'almost cult-like' is over the top, he is part of the family and for me and others it's a sad thing that it had come to that.

I think the owner Roman Abramovich is standing above the club. Chelsea is his property, he has invested a lot of money, he could sell every top player just because of his mood...
Some day members of the family will be asking for a refund, imo. He didn't donate most of the money, there are ways to get some of it back, but until the day comes, enjoy the ride...

Regards!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So its the latter then. Players have a responsibility paid hundreds of thousands a week not to come back fat from pre season.

There is a bit of the three season syndrome and Jose spat his dummy out over the lack of transfers, and the Buckenalo mediocre names now outsourced -however the players didn't perform for the club, their employer, for whatever reason and need to look at themselves over that.

Obviously the players shoulder a big part of the responsibility in addition to Jose and the board, but you can't fire the squad, can you?

And the lack of transfers as well was a hit. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

15 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Obviously the players shoulder a big part of the responsibility in addition to Jose and the board, but you can't fire the squad, can you?

And the lack of transfers as well was a hit. 

To my mind some of the under-performers should have been bombed out. 

Not getting Stones was a massive disappointment for Jose, and the defence as a whole. Our defence was a major factor in the downfall -we know who we're talking about, and would cost any manager (bar Wenger ) his job, ultimately. The defence at present isnt just a leak its a waterfall. They perform just about for the CL and games like Sunday, but are asleep most of the time.

There needs to be 2 new signings, or one top defender and someone with the quality of Christensen given a go. As has been shown though, spending big on superstars at SB doesn't mean quality is retained.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

To my mind some of the under-performers should have been bombed out. 

Not getting Stones was a massive disappointment for Jose, and the defence as a whole. Our defence was a major factor in the downfall -we know who we're talking about, and would cost any manager (bar Wenger ) his job, ultimately. The defence at present isnt just a leak its a waterfall. They perform just about for the CL and games like Sunday, but are asleep most of the time.

There needs to be 2 new signings, or one top defender and someone with the quality of Christensen given a go. As has been shown though, spending big on superstars at SB doesn't mean quality is retained.

That is very true, but we need to remember that Jose himself is also to blame for why have so little options in defense from before this season. He sold Luiz with no replacement, let both Ash and Bertrand go for "best-LB-in-the-world" Luis. We've desperately needed a center half and full back since Jose's arrival here but both he and the board didn't act. We currently have just 6 defenders in the entire team. That's suicide! 

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

5 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That is very true, but we need to remember that Jose himself is also to blame for why have so little options in defense from before this season. He sold Luiz with no replacement, let both Ash and Bertrand go for "best-LB-in-the-world" Luis. We've desperately needed a center half and full back since Jose's arrival here but both he and the board didn't act. We currently have just 6 defenders in the entire team. That's suicide! 

We know the manager has input into who comes and goes, but according to the job description Emanalo (is that Nigerian for iceberg ?), is responsible for the final decision in transfer activity. Even he is not solely employed in this, as the other two ex Sibneft employees, Maria Whateverthefuckhernameis and Bruce (passthe) Buck, according to a lot of the media also stick their oars in. Bottom line , a lot of the decisions seem based on whims by people that know fuck all about football.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

We know the manager has input into who comes and goes, but according to the job description Emanalo (is that Nigerian for iceberg ?), is responsible for the final decision in transfer activity. Even he is not solely employed in this, as the other two ex Sibneft employees, Maria Whateverthefuckhernameis and Bruce (passthe) Buck, according to a lot of the media also stick their oars in. Bottom line , a lot of the decisions seem based on whims by people that know fuck all about football.

The official language in Nigeria is English, you racist!

Yeah, I totally agree that the board is largely to blame, but when it comes to defenders I think it's likely that so was Jose because we didn't try ton increase our defensive cover in the period after selling Luiz. 

[Beigl 1,387]

I don't think anyone can rationally say that we've missed Jose. We are clearly improving substantially since his departure in both performances and more importantly results.

That said, I do agree with something he said before he left: He did do an incredible job last season, particularly in the first half, to get these players playing WAY above their standards and winning the title. I genuinely doubt any other manager would have managed it because this squad is simply not good enough.

I think our title win was more down to the weakness of other teams than it was because of Mourinho's management.

[*Z4YN 69]

8 minutes ago, Beigl said:

I think our title win was more down to the weakness of other teams than it was because of Mourinho's management.

It's getting better and better

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

47 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

The official language in Nigeria is English, you racist!

Yeah, I totally agree that the board is largely to blame, but when it comes to defenders I think it's likely that so was Jose because we didn't try ton increase our defensive cover in the period after selling Luiz. 

 he is a cunt though. I dont see how Jose can be responsible for the defence but not the other transfers.

My gut feeling is that he and others have input, then it is funneled up through Buckenalo, Grammiwhatsherface, to Abramovich, who then looks at his phone, looks bemused, raises his eyes to the sky, looks back at his phone, mumbles something, does that watery smile, and then walks off, dreaming about resigning Shevchenko.