The Mourinho Thread

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  On 14/12/2015 at 23:07, Jason said:

But is he wrong though? It might harsh but it's certainly true. Beyond Terry, how many of them actually care playing for the club, for the fans? Heck, how many actually even care to play for their pride and personal ambition? Compare the players and leaders we had in the previous squad to the one we have now. So many look like they can't be bothered to play these days.

who still back his judgement after getting rid of Bertrand Lukaku Kdb Salah Schurrle ,, none fitted "his eye" or his ego . there are others still at the club and even

in the squad

[Henrique 9,133]

From Oliver Kay on Twitter:

"Mourinho claims Leicester's ball boys were "a disgrace to the Premier League" (!!) but he doesn't want this to overshadow Leicester win (!!)"

[Jase 43,479]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:14, Henrique said:

It was pretty pathetic because he was basically saying he loves Chelsea, and the current form is related with players doesn't feelling the same way....

But is he wrong? Yes, Mourinho has his faults and deserved to be criticized for them. People can hate him for all they want but one thing people can't deny is that he's emotionally attached to the club. How many players out there we can say feel the same way for the club, for us fans? Never mind Mourinho, how many feels the same as Terry does for us all? You can practically count on one hand the number of players who have actually shown the willingness to dig and fight for a result. And on the larger point, how many of them are even playing for their personal ambition and pride? Even when the likes of Lampard, Drogba etc had issues with managers and didn't like them in the past, they still showed the desire, commitment to win games, to win trophies. Can we say the same for the current group of players? It's like they all can't be bothered anymore and are just trying to get the manager sacked. If that's how they are going to behave, then this won't be like the last time we see our players dictate the manager's fate at the club.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:07, Jason said:

But is he wrong though? It might harsh but it's certainly true. Beyond Terry, how many of them actually care playing for the club, for the fans? Heck, how many actually even care to play for their pride and personal ambition? Compare the players and leaders we had in the previous squad to the one we have now. So many look like they can't be bothered to play these days.

There is only four players in this squad with a true winners mentality.

One has just got back from injury, one is in his twilight years, one is having trouble adapting to the league but is getting better lately and one is in the worst form of his career.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

I just read a post on shed end forum from a guy who typed "for the record, I'll gladly go down with Jose at the helm" . I kid you not. If this isn't RAWK like/a cult of Jose, I don't know what is!

[Jase 43,479]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:21, Pseudo said:

You think the City or PSG players care about the fans or the club or whatever? No they don't but they'd still put five past us because they play better football

Running three times as fast and having 'heart' can't overcome shit tactics.

You can talk about modern day fans for all you want but at the end of the day, ask any fan out there and he or she will tell that the least they want to see week in week out is commitment, desire and fight for the club. The team won't always win and/or perform well and that's fine but that's the least people want to see. The problem with us right now is that the players aren't showing those in the matches. They are just drifting through games and hoping for something to happen.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

What a disgraceful performance from a set of players who performed the way they did against Porto. Absolutely zero motivation in the way they played largely thanks to no chance of us not winning the league. Never been this ashamed.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:25, Jason said:

But is he wrong? Yes, Mourinho has his faults and deserved to be criticized for them. People can hate him for all they want but one thing people can't deny is that he's emotionally attached to the club. How many players out there we can say feel the same way for the club, for us fans? Never mind Mourinho, how many feels the same as Terry does for us all? You can practically count on one hand the number of players who have actually shown the willingness to dig and fight for a result. And on the larger point, how many of them are even playing for their personal ambition and pride? Even when the likes of Lampard, Drogba etc had issues with managers and didn't like them in the past, they still showed the desire, commitment for the club. Can we say the same for the current group of players? It's like they all can't be bothered anymore and are just trying to get the manager sacked. If that's how they are going to behave, then this won't be like the last time we see our players dictate the manager's fate at the club.

Hummm, if I remeber Lampard and Drogba have been accused in the past of being just trying to get the manager sacked. Love is important but won't make you win matches, Terry has been an awful CB this season.

What Mourinho wanted with that quote was just try to change the focus from his terrible job this season to "lack of passion and commitment from players"

[Styles 9,790]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:07, Jason said:

But is he wrong though? It might harsh but it's certainly true. Beyond Terry, how many of them actually care playing for the club, for the fans? Heck, how many actually even care to play for their pride and personal ambition? Compare the players and leaders we had in the previous squad to the one we have now. So many look like they can't be bothered to play these days.

This whole caring thing is so arbitrary. How do you gauge levels of care? I respect the players, I believe every single one of them is professional and does their job to the best of their ability.

It no surprise that the fraud boils everything down to something so arbitrary. This is the way he thinks.

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:25, Jason said:

But is he wrong? Yes, Mourinho has his faults and deserved to be criticized for them. People can hate him for all they want but one thing people can't deny is that he's emotionally attached to the club. How many players out there we can say feel the same way for the club, for us fans? Never mind Mourinho, how many feels the same as Terry does for us all? You can practically count on one hand the number of players who have actually shown the willingness to dig and fight for a result. And on the larger point, how many of them are even playing for their personal ambition and pride? Even when the likes of Lampard, Drogba etc had issues with managers and didn't like them in the past, they still showed the desire, commitment for the club. Can we say the same for the current group of players? It's like they all can't be bothered anymore and are just trying to get the manager sacked. If that's how they are going to behave, then this won't be like the last time we see our players dictate the manager's fate at the club.

I was working tonight on a property. They each earned tonight enough to buy a nice detached house, all multimillionaires, yet couldnt be bothered to applaud the fans that travelled all that way. Half arent fit to wear the shirt and can fuck the fuck off if they keep that attitude up.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Chat shit get banged

[Jase 43,479]

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:32, Styles said:

This whole caring thing is so arbitrary. How do you gauge levels of care? I respect the players, I believe every single one of them is professional and does their job to the best of their ability.

It no surprise that the fraud boils everything down to something so arbitrary. This is the way he thinks.

How is it even arbitrary when their performances week in week out say that they aren't playing to their best of abilities or even reach the minimum standard set. You can't say the players have done their jobs well this season and that you have not criticized the players.

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:32, Henrique said:

Hummm, if I remeber Lampard and Drogba have been accused in the past of being just trying to get the manager sacked. Love is important but won't make you win matches, Terry has been an awful CB this season.

Like I said, they all had issues with the managers and didn't like them but they still showed the desire to win games, to win trophies. They are still at least winning things for themselves and the club. Are the players now even doing that?

  On 14/12/2015 at 23:32, Henrique said:

What Mourinho wanted with that quote was just try to change the focus from his terrible job this season to "lack of passion and commitment from players"

I'm not trying to defend Mourinho here but if we aren't even going to give some thought to some of the things he's said (like the ones tonight) and are just going to blame him everything, then what's the point of even debating? People are so caught with everything bad about him that they're just keep on criticizing him even if the things he's said are valid.

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  On 14/12/2015 at 23:26, Tomo said:

There is only four players in this squad with a true winners mentality.

One has just got back from injury, one is in his twilight years, one is having trouble adapting to the league but is getting better lately and one is in the worst form of his career.

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

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  On 14/12/2015 at 23:19, Muzchap said:

Apart from the Board

Who signed Djilobodji? Who signed Hector? Who signed players like Luis, Salah, Cuadrado etc, only to find out they don't suit the team or whatever after a year? These people never lose their jobs.

Matic, Cesc and Diego were initially praised but aren't good enough anymore. Pedro was signed, praised heavily and is now in and out of the team. Baba was signed but not trusted. Oscar was the future but now he is 'crap'. Cahill is 'better' than David Luiz but now needs replacement. Remy isn't good enough to be trusted. Mikel is only good enough to come on as a late sub. Ramires is only the answer when the team is in terrible shape but becomes one of the problems after one or two games because his limitations always become apparent. Terry and Ivanovic are the leaders but past their prime?

KDB, Mata, Lukaku, David Luiz, Schurrle are sold but their replacements are worse or not better.

That's a lot of mistakes.

Or maybe they are better then appear to be right now? Maybe someone else needs to be in charge of signings? Maybe Chelsea needs a new board?

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  On 14/12/2015 at 23:42, Jason said:

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

REMY? play him and he scores goals ,, doesnt that count ?

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Our players weren't the best today but the talk of them not trying today is nonsense. It was the lack of attacking football ideas that cost us the three points today, nothing more.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I'm mad as fuck and I feel like crying, but I said it after the Porto game - that win means nothing if Monday morning we draw Paris and then go to Leicester and get battered. We had one last chance to Champions League football next season and we fucking blew it. Just to play two more matches in Champions League and look like Bury in disguise against Paris SG who will beat the shit out of us.

That Porto game was a massive smoke screen and we've won it because they were shit and their manager messed up his tactics big time. Five days later we go to Leicester and look like idiots. We only try to score when we're behind on the scoresheet. Football this days is about full-backs bombing forwards, defenders keeping a high line, midfielders playing close to the opponents box, press high up the pitch etc. We have none of that, we're absolutely dreadful, 19th century football, no matter what team we're playing Mourinho always likes to play the underdog card and wait for others to slip before he strikes. A team of this calibre should ditch this mentality and start living to its reputation.

We're a worldwide superpower, we must play the same football as Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, Real Madrid and that's attacking football. No more defensive tactics, no more excuses, no more away games at United and Liverpool when we're going there to defend the 0-0 and have 1 shot like we'd be fucking Aston Villa. I'm sick of it, I'm absolutely sick of watching mid table teams going to places like the Etihad and Old Trafford and scoring and missing lots of other chances, while we're ALWAYS going to places like that looking for a draw and trying to defend the whole game.

And what's worst and others have mentioned it, too - this situation right now, this will take years to be fixed. Jose Mourinho will leave Chelsea FC in a big mess. His outdated tactics does not even compare to the situation he has brought us in. Ugly football, unhappy and overrated players, no Champions League football etc. What a laughing stock we've become in the space of half an year.

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  On 14/12/2015 at 23:30, Jason said:

You can talk about modern day fans for all you want but at the end of the day, ask any fan out there and he or she will tell that the least they want to see week in week out is commitment, desire.

And the players aren't doing that? Hazard puts his body on the line every time he has the ball at his feet poor guy has been carrying our offense getting hacked. I see Willian running too and fro every game. You got Matic out there doing the job of two men and we're one point off relegation regardless.

If their heads begin to drop you can't blame them. They've never been in this position before.

The team full of fighters that you speak so highly of turned on AVB the moment they faced real adversity. What do you think they would do you think they would do to Jose right now? This is far worse than anything they faced.