The Mourinho Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,580]

[Henrique 9,133]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

[Ossie the King 634]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

He's a proven winner so why wouldn't they? He'd give them a good shot at winning the league wouldn't he?

[Henrique 9,133]

To be honest I still can't believe before the season started, almost every pundit said Chelsea had the strongest squad, and Mourinho would win the League again.

Actually now that Jose is gone I realized he left a broken squad to his successor. I mean, most of his rejects are doing fine around, while somehow he went after Barcelona's rejects. I can't accept players like Fabregas and Pedro were not good enought to start games for Barcelona but arrived at Chelsea as essential players.

It really makes me angry that Mourinho's is such a manipulator, that untill months ago everyone were sayin he was a fucking market genius for getting Fabregas and Costa using the money the club got for selling Mata, Luiz, KDB and Lukaku. Dont you think its pretty funny the same people who were praising those signings are the same people saying Costa and Fabregas are rats? Jose only got himself to blame here, just like Jose only got himself to blame for watching Lukaku scoring for fun for Everton, while his side were strugling to with Torres, Ba and Etoo, and he only got himself to blame for selling Luiz and favoring the mediocre Cahill, instead of teaching the mad man tactical discipline, he only got himself to blame for selling Mata and calling Oscar his number 10 but turning him into a pretty mediocre player.

Mourinho won PL last season, if you want to give him all the credit, but he destroyed the team in the process.

[Henrique 9,133]

He's a proven winner so why wouldn't they? He'd give them a good shot at winning the league wouldn't he?

Yes, while playing mediocre football in Europe and facing relegation zone in his 3rd season in charge.

[Ossie the King 634]

To be honest I still can't believe before the season started, almost every pundit said Chelsea had the strongest squad, and Mourinho would win the League again.

Actually now that Jose is gone I realized he left a broken squad to his successor. I mean, most of his rejects are doing fine around, while somehow he went after Barcelona's rejects. I can't accept players like Fabregas and Pedro were not good enought to start games for Barcelona but arrived at Chelsea as essential players.

It really makes me angry that Mourinho's is such a manipulator, that untill months ago everyone were sayin he was a fucking market genius for getting Fabregas and Costa using the money the club got for selling Mata, Luiz, KDB and Lukaku. Dont you think its pretty funny the same people who were praising those signings are the same people saying Costa and Fabregas are rats? Jose only got himself to blame here, just like Jose only got himself to blame for watching Lukaku scoring for fun for Everton, while his side were strugling to with Torres, Ba and Etoo, and he only got himself to blame for selling Luiz and favoring the mediocre Cahill, instead of teaching the mad man tactical discipline, he only got himself to blame for selling Mata and calling Oscar his number 10 but turning him into a pretty mediocre player.

Mourinho won PL last season, if you want to give him all the credit, but he destroyed the team in the process.

He built a good team last season and it needed further investment in the summer. He took players who either didn't fit his style or weren't willing or able to adapt or wait, and built a solid starting XI capable of different styles of football. He didn't get the balance right all the time but there was a foundation there.

Then what happened this summer? Through a combination of inept transfer dealings and lack of ambition, the board stood still. Whilst city improved, we fiddled and ultimately fell behind.

Jose is not perfect. No one is. But he knew what he wanted to improve the team and it wasn't given to him. That contributed to this season, as did some of Joses actions. But we'll never know what might've been.

And if he goes to United I reckon they'll finish above us in at least 2 of his first 3 years. That's why their fans would want him.

[Amblève. 4,995]

It cuts both ways. Others are absolving our seemingly petulant millionaires for their utterly inept performances because they didn't like their boss. Boohoo, it's not one's right to have a boss you like and no one manager is going to please every player he works with.

Love him or loathe him, there should be a minimum level of commitment displayed by these highly valued professionals week in, week out. Even if every single player in this squad hated José's guts there was absolutely no excuse for a team with our talent to be in the position we are in. In Mourinho's final season at Madrid, the one everybody loves to point to as evidence of his "third season syndrome", he finished what, second?

Express your opinions on his tactics or whatever else, but if folks are honestly going to let our squad off the hook with the shit we've seen this season because of big bad José then I'm really lost for words.

Your whole point builds on simply believing that the players played badly on purpose, though. For which, as it currently stands, nobody has proof. We're talking about human beings who have shown and proven their integrity to their job for years, some of which we have seen playing weekly.

And that's where some people see resemblances to a cult. If you think the players quit on Mourinho it's your choice. But that choice is an emotional one rather than a rational one based on facts and proof.

[Chelsea? 892]

I am sorry but that was absolutely not full backing, they backed him October and sacked him in December. Maybe compared to other former sacked managers, he got 1-2 months longer, that's nothing considering how much he means for the fans and how much he's won for us. Can you imagine Barcelona sacking Pep if he was in the same position as Jose was? For the work Jose has done for Chelsea, he at least deserved the full season and not 4 months.

They obviously let him down and didn't back him in the summer when he requested new signings, they could've backed him in January to give him the signings he wanted in the summer, but they haven't. We are qualified in the last 16 as group leaders, if that's not a sign of improvement then I don't know what is. And before you say he spend a lot: the title was won by Chelsea with a negative net spend (profit) plus in the January window in 2015 it was only a replacement for Schurrle because he wanted to leave. Yes Jose needs signings to get the best out of himself and the team, but you're also guaranteed trophies if you let him do that.

he played a type of football the board didn't wanna see but they stuck with him. he requested Falcao, Pedro and Stones. He got 2/3. he's brought us 1 real trophy in 3 years. that's a failure. I understand how some fans feel about him, but I just can't stand his ego and style of play. I was for him staying even though I cant stand his style of play simply cause I wanted consistancy. but no one is to blame but Jose. You can't expect Hazard to have your back when you didn't even seem to care about his health 2 months ago

[stroey 2,525]

he played a type of football the board didn't wanna see but they stuck with him. he requested Falcao, Pedro and Stones. He got 2/3. he's brought us 1 real trophy in 3 years. that's a failure. I understand how some fans feel about him, but I just can't stand his ego and style of play. I was for him staying even though I cant stand his style of play simply cause I wanted consistancy. but no one is to blame but Jose. You can't expect Hazard to have your back when you didn't even seem to care about his health 2 months ago

He played a football they didn't want but they stuck with him - for how long? 2 months? thanks. If you don't want pragmatic football, then don't hire Jose but if you've hired him then back him.

Falcao, Pedro, Stones? No he wanted a midfielder and a defender, the reported names were Marquinhos/Stones and Pogba, Pat Nevin said 6 players so probably there are also names that were under the radar.

[OneMoSalah 8,889]

Sacking him was the right thing to do, he has absolutely destroyed moral in the dressing room, it was so obvious to see. You cant do that and expect to remain in the job, no matter who you are even if you are Jose Mourinho, the most successful manager in the clubs history or a rookie.

I've seen several tweets from fans complaining about the antics of Costa, Matic, Hazard and Fabregas in particular and talk of player power again but Mourinho caused all the problems. Hes always seemed to push at Hazard a lot and it worked in the first two seasons and improved him but he has a tendency where he eventually manages to fracture relationships with high profile players, I mean look at what happened with Ronaldo, Ramos, Pepe and Casillas at Real Madrid in his last year. Its more than evident that has happened here with guys like Eden, Costa, JT, Ivanovic all for different reasons.

Its no coincidence that we looked 10000 times better in 45 minutes yesterday than we have in about 4 months under Mourinho.

[xPetrCechx 13,580]

'I go back to the last time when Jose was muted to be going there and Bobby Charlton came out and said “no way”. I know Fergie [sir Alex Ferguson] is a fan, how big a fan we don’t really know.

The reasons that Bobby Charlton gave a few years ago will still be there today.'

Bobby things that Jose can bring some trophies to united in the near future, but he's not the right solution for a longer period.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

They're naive and desperate. They still think the Mourinho that won the treble with Inter or the Mourinho of 2005 Chelsea is the same Mourinho of today. And they have no real clue as to his arrogance and appalling behaviour and how damaging that is to the clubs he manages. God knows the amount of chaos he'll cause if he ever went there.

Right now, Mourinho doesn't deserve such a big job as the United job. What he needs now is some long overdue humility. But if their board are as foolish and short-sited as their fans, then hey, go for it.

[Ossie the King 634]

They're naive and desperate. They still think the Mourinho that won the treble with Inter or the Mourinho of 2005 Chelsea is the same Mourinho of today. And they have no real clue as to his arrogance and appalling behaviour and how damaging that is to the clubs he manages. God knows the amount of chaos he'll cause if he ever went there.

Right now, Mourinho doesn't deserve such a big job as the United job. What he needs now is some long overdue humility. But if their board are as foolish and short-sited as their fans, then hey, go for it.

So they wouldn't win the league under his tenure? Their brand isn't bulletproof and they need success. They need the league. Hiring Jose would give them a better chance wouldn't it?

[Rom2013 446]

Mourinho is going to be the next Manchester United coach. At the end Mourinho wins again...

Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester City:

2015/2016 (-95M)

2014/2015 (-55M)

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Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester United:

2015/2016 (-27M)

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Net spending in the last 3 years for Arsenal:

2015/2016 (-10M)

2014/2015 (-62M)

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Net spending in the last 3 years for Chelsea:

2015/2016 (-21M)

2014/2015 (+6M)

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Yes, Mourinho spent 4 times less money than Manchester City and Manchester United in the last 3 years. Now Mourinho will have money to spend, will coach the second or third richest club in the world, will have a decent stadium...

When do you think CHelsea will win a big title again?

[zolayes 14,489]

well enjoy supporting Manure ,,, Rom

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

are you on dial up? Or has the carrier pigeon just landed

no I just try to stay clear of here but occasionally I drink so much that I stumble on to comment about the latest pantomime to happen to this wonderful club.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Do not care much for Mourinho as a manager and yet feel the sacking could've been avoided by the club somehow - getting the players to get their shit together, professionally for example. And believe this empowers the players way too much... every sacking does esp in these circumstances.

Now, it doesn't matter anymore does it? Whether he manages United or not.

I am really for that change promised some time ago, which was something Jose has always been incapable of proving. The prob is that the tampon manager is also certainly not able to provide, esp considering his late performances, so it is going to take a while.

[Styles 9,790]

Great piece in The Times:

The European champion of trumpet-blowing is all played out

Self-centred Mourinho piled too much pressure on himself and his players, leading to a spectacular implosion
David Walsh Chief Sports Writer Published: 20 December 2015

Mourinho’s high-pressure methods and ruthless pragmatism wore his players out (REX)
THERE was a part of Jose Mourinho that for a time I did not get. It goes back to that first press conference on his first west London experience. “I have top players and I’m sorry, we have a top manager. Please do not call me arrogant because what I say is true. I’m European champion. I think I’m the special one.”

It was not a comic turn. He was serious. Respect me, please. Understand how good I am. No one doubted it. His record with Porto over three seasons was two league titles, a Champions League, a Uefa Cup and a domestic cup. So why the trumpet-blowing? Who ever heard a football manager call himself European champion? Still, he was witty and handsome, intelligent and charismatic, and very good at what he did, so we indulged him.

It was easy to see what he brought. Principally, a winning mentality. He also had a relentless work ethic and a sharp footballing brain. Opponents were not so much analysed as dissected.

He was fortunate to have characters such as John Terry, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba. Lampard was his perfect player, physically resilient and tough enough to deal with Mourinho’s expectation. Those three might have been Chelsea’s backbone but Mourinho was the story. People said it was his way of taking the pressure off his players but the limelight was his natural habitat, his addiction.

Last week he will have cleared his office at the training centre in Cobham. One box would not have been enough, for it was not so much an office as a shrine, endless framed photos portraying great moments from the career of an exceptional football manager. Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real; so many titles, so much material. A shrine to Jose erected by Jose. Why the need?

Not long ago I was in the office of the chief executive of a FTSE 100 company in London. On one wall there were rows of photos of staff members. There was not one photograph of the chief executive. He built a shrine to the people he worked with.

Jose wanted visitors to his office to know they were in the company of a European champion, a man who has won leagues in four countries. The same insecurity underpinned his antagonism towards Arsène Wenger. That Arsenal’s manager was respected and liked bothered Mourinho, who called him “a specialist in failure”.

He was equally scathing about Pep Guardiola, whose career has not featured much failure. So the attack was different. Anyone could win if they had Messi in their team. Thus, Guardiola’s Barcelona years were dismissed. As for Bayern Munich, they are so much better than everyone else in Germany it did not matter who managed them.

Mourinho always felt he had to win. Not for his club’s sake, not for his players but for him. And when the team stopped winning this season, he became unhinged. He blamed referees, the FA, pundits, Leicester’s ball boys, his own players. Especially his own players.

Chelsea’s training ground would have been a tough place to work through the past four months. He once said pressure was bird flu, not things that happened in football. This may have been the greatest of his fibs. No manager put more pressure on himself to deliver results and no manager transferred that pressure on to his players as intensely as Mourinho did.

Demba Ba alluded to this in a radio interview last week. He said working with Mourinho was exhausting, the pressure to perform was unrelenting and unforgiving. If a player lost confidence, Ba said, he was wasting his time thinking Mourinho might help. Ba was there during relatively good times.

This season was different. When the team lost games, the expectation was that Mourinho would turn things round. The players felt that pressure, and some were suffocated by the demands. For many of them, it just became too much.

After last week’s loss to Leicester, knowing the game was up, Mourinho became like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men: “You want answers? You want answers? You can’t handle the truth.”

“I feel my work is betrayed,” he said of his players’ failure to prevent the two goals that won the match for Leicester.

Adversity, they say, introduces a man to his inner self. Jose got in touch. “Sometimes I find myself thinking last season I did an amazing job. I brought players to a level that is not their level.” And that was it, back to where he started, still not knowing the place. The Self-Proclaimed Special One.

[Ossie the King 634]

Mourinho is going to be the next Manchester United coach. At the end Mourinho wins again...

Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester City:

2015/2016 (-95M)

2014/2015 (-55M)

2013/2014 (-73M)

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Total (-223)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester United:

2015/2016 (-27M)

2014/2015 (-101M)

2013/2014 (-73M)

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Total (-181)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Arsenal:

2015/2016 (-10M)

2014/2015 (-62M)

2013/2014 (-28M)

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Total (-100)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Chelsea:

2015/2016 (-21M)

2014/2015 (+6M)

2013/2014 (-37M)

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Total (-52)

Yes, Mourinho spent 4 times less money than Manchester City and Manchester United in the last 3 years. Now Mourinho will have money to spend, will coach the second or third richest club in the world, will have a decent stadium...

When do you think CHelsea will win a big title again?

That all points to the the level of ambition the board has and their commitment to Jose as manager.

If United get him, they'll back him financially and they won't sell a player against his wishes to one of their rivals. United and City are primed to dominate the league over the next 5 years and we've got fans who are worried that Simeone (the best available choice for manager) might be a bit too defensive or abrasive.

Couldn't make it up.

[Henrique 9,133]

"A shrine to Jose erected by Jose."

Typical Jose. That article is perfect. I always saw Mourinho as a man with a insecurity personality, and thats the main reason why he is a ultra defensive coach. More important the game is, more afraid of losing he is, more defensive his teams become.