The Mourinho Thread

[Johnnyeye 7,511]

We support Mourinho because of Chelsea, we don't support Chelsea because of Mourinho.

We support the one who gave us so much joy and success at his time here, 3 out of our 4 league titles since Roman are won with Jose. Don't forget the 2 League cups, 1 FA cup and 3 CL semi finals. This is the first season that he is really struggling and you're immediately calling for his head and name him '' a stinker of a manager'' , ''clown'' or ''fraud''. Such a disgrace, loyalty isn't in your dictionary.

If we are fanboys and sycophants, then you're fucking piece of plastic and glory hunter.

Forget it mate, there is no reasoning with trolls, save your energy for something better. Cheers

[Fulham Broadway 17,341]

Quit with the fanboy talk already. Not just you, everyone.

If you want to stand by the most successful manager the club has ever had and give him time (not just a few months), you're more than right to do that.

If you want the club to sack the manager that's seen the worst run in years, you're more than welcome to do that.

This is the biggest crossroads the club has been at in a long time and there's reasons for both. Watering it down to a pissing match between online usernames that have no bearing on what will happen is useless.

Well said. People attach so much weight to their opinions, but keep it respectful.

Its also the Internet, so theyre even more insignificant

[kmk108 1,186]

Back on Mourinho and this mess, we could be in the bottom three by New Years.

That's a massive problem. Dortmund were in this situation last season but were able to bounce back and grab a European spot. But it was done in an arguably weaker league. A lot of things must go right just to make any European competition next season. Where does that leave the club? There's players that are Chelsea through and through and will stay, but there are a number of players that will want to move on. Is this a quick dip that can be remedied next season (starting this season) or will it cause a shift in #1 priorities and #2 expectations, taking into consideration the financial implications of no Europe and a new stadium build on the way.

I'm left with a ton of questions and no answers.

Sacking Mourinho may be a blessing in terms of form, but there's a ton of damage that's been done already.

Hypothetically, a new manage comes in and things don't improve. What then? Who is to blame? So we blow everything up and start new?

[Tomo 21,751]

Back on Mourinho and this mess, we could be in the bottom three by New Years.

That's a massive problem. Dortmund were in this situation last season but were able to bounce back and grab a European spot. But it was done in an arguably weaker league. A lot of things must go right just to make any European competition next season. Where does that leave the club? There's players that are Chelsea through and through and will stay, but there are a number of players that will want to move on. Is this a quick dip that can be remedied next season (starting this season) or will it cause a shift in #1 priorities and #2 expectations, taking into consideration the financial implications of no Europe and a new stadium build on the way.

I'm left with a ton of questions and no answers.

Sacking Mourinho may be a blessing in terms of form, but there's a ton of damage that's been done already.

Hypothetically, a new manage comes in and things don't improve. What then? Who is to blame? So we blow everything up and start new?

For one season we can hide behind the it's a one off and were be back in CL next season.

If we fail again, we have a problem.

[kmk108 1,186]

For one season we can hide behind the it's a one off and were be back in CL next season.

If we fail again, we have a problem.

That's what scares everyone. Are we capable of bouncing back and being fine? My first reaction would say yes, but a lot of it is dependent on what happens in the offseason. If we have no problem signing talent, we'll be fine. If top players don't want a season away fromeurope and we have a few bad signings and a dodgy manager, we could be in trouble.

[Tomo 21,751]

That's what scares everyone. Are we capable of bouncing back and being fine? My first reaction would say yes, but a lot of it is dependent on what happens in the offseason. If we have no problem signing talent, we'll be fine. If top players don't want a season away fromeurope and we have a few bad signings and a dodgy manager, we could be in trouble.

It could go wrong, and it will be a critical season but we can get through it being clever enough, unlike the last time we dropped out of the top 4 (for Munich to save us) we do have a good enough team despite this shit storm, if we can keep the main players and prudently add we will have a good chance of bouncing back.

Even if we can't attract the very best, there will be players about who could improve us as a unit, look at Spurs with Alderwierld.

On the other side we could mess it up like Liverpool did and get worse, but that's an alternative that isn't worth thinking about.

[Irakozium257 350]

His intentions may be to settle down but his old die-hard habits remain rigid and are not subject to change - at least that's how he thinks and acts.

What really grates on me is his playing favourites with team selection and especially his mistreatment of youth and flair players. Shunting Traore and Loftus-Cheek aside most of the time and turning Hazard, Oscar and Willian into specialists in tracking back is not acceptable in my books. Not to mention his getting rid of Lukaku, Mata and De Bryune.

I have to agree with all your frustration. Ever since last season when the majority were brown-nosing him, I could see through his narcissistic and ego-tripping tendencies in press conferences et al., and even though we were coasting in the league, I knew that somehow someway, he was gonna pay for all his actions, call it karma, cause and effect, whatever. I just had a feeling that his negativity was gonna impact the club colossally. Add that to the fact that he regressed us as much as he made us a strong team with his psycopathic sense of power by playing Azpi at LB when we had acquired a world class LB in Filipe Luis who came here full of enthusiasm and ready for the challenge of PL, only to warm the bench because he wanted to show his magnificent 'creativity' by using 2 right-footed players as full-backs. Such an egotistical moron, the amount of times we had a handicap because of this last season is uncountable. Newcastle away last season, PSG home and away, Tottenham away and so f**king on . I have to admit that Mourinho actually made Ivanovic unlikeable. Before the f**ker came back, Ivanovic was solid at CB, but then he started using him as an untouchable at RB, Ivanovic got complacent and never had the will to be ever better since. Now he looks so pathetic and worthy of playing for basement boys such as Sunderland or AVL.

Let us pray to the 7 gods that he will be fired after wednesday. If I weren't a Chelsea fan, I would have betted at least 70 quids on a Porto win. That's how much the f**ker has ruined our beloved our club. If the sense of injustice was a legal crime, AVB, Carlo and Robbie should have sued the board cause they never dragged the club through the mud as much as this turd is doing right now. And yet, if we somehow win/draw on wednesday, it wouldn't come as surprise to see and hear tons of sheep in the stadium chanting his name...

[Tomo 21,751]

It's funny we suddenly got new faces because of our defeat to Bournemouth.

About what SAF said, I agree with the people who rolled over SAF's comment. He's only saying that for his entertainment and amusement. Even most Arsenal fans that don't even respect Jose at all, suddenly want Jose to stay because he is sailing Chelsea to the Championship. In fact non-CFC fans will want Jose to stay instead of being sacked. They want to mock us throughout the whole entire season talking about us getting relegated. It's like us with David Moyes 2 years ago for goodness sake. Don't genuinely believe these people who want Jose to stay because he is a great manager for the PL.

If Wenger and Pellergrini come out of nowhere and say, "Jose Mourinho is a great manager, Chelsea would be dumb as fuck to let him go", would you believe these twats? Please don't be gullible.

The only people that I genuinely who want Jose to stay are the fans who have been backing Mourinho from the very beginning. stroey, Rhino's Skin, Essien19 to name a few.

I want Mourinho to go, but I respect him too much to call him a fraudster, a clown of a manager etc. I'll have to side with the Jose backers on this one. As much as he slapped me on the face this season, I cannot forget the trophies he has bought to the club and the 6-0 thrashing against Arseshit.

Sir Alex has always backed his fellow managers and defended their jobs even when they are indefensible, even Moyes, he's very old school and firmly belives in managerial stabilty and giving them time.

If Pellegrino starts piping up then defiently he has an ulterior motive but Fergie not so much.

[Pizy 18,980]

Please, no. Would be a significant downgrade from José. As bad as it is now I'd rather just keep him than appoint Conte. It's either Ancelotti or stick with Mourinho for me.

[iseah100 5,612]

Saw this on Reddit today

We have been seriously off the pace for some time now. Last season, we got 41 points from the second half of the season, a decent haul. However when tallied since January, the warning signs last season become crystal clear. Of the 17 teams in the Premier League for both seasons, we are 9th.

1. Arsenal: 72
2. Man City: 65
3. Man Utd: 64
4. Leicester: 60
5. Spurs: 59
6. Southampton: 58
7. Liverpool: 57
8. Everton: 57
9. Chelsea: 56
10. Crystal Palace: 54
11. Stoke: 51
12. West Brom: 46
13. Swansea: 42
14. West Ham: 39
15. Sunderland 30
16. Newcastle: 26
17. Aston Villa: 23

Now obviously, I will pre-empt this by saying that this shouldn't be directly inferred from. Clubs may have harder schedules one half of the season and that won't be accounted for, only looking at a calendar year. But it is nevertheless telling of just how pedestrian Chelsea's results have been for quite some time now in the league. In the last 3 months or so, pedestrian doesn't even begin to cover it( Since beating Arsenal we have collected 8 points from 9 games).

The reason I'm posting is, is not to call for scapegoating or knee-jerk reactions, but because I'm tired of deflections of bad form or bad luck. There is no way bad form is this consistent, this prolonged or this widespread among the entire squad. There has been no real response or reaction, our form is only stagnating. Burying our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose. We'll see how the rest of December goes but we are on track to get 63 points from 38 league games.

This doesn't rest on one person's head. Or one transfer window. Neither are faultless.

Either the squad is complacent and mentally weak or they are burnt out or the dressing room is lost. A combination of the three in varying factors is more than possible.

Thoughts?

[Starman60 1,343]

Don't know. She always reminded me of one. Can you not imagine her with a flowy skirt and a scarf around her head, dancing on a windy field with excessive jewelry dangling in every direction?

Have you ever thought of becoming an "erotic novelist"? .........Well you've got me picturing her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stroey 2,525]

Saw this on Reddit today

We have been seriously off the pace for some time now. Last season, we got 41 points from the second half of the season, a decent haul. However when tallied since January, the warning signs last season become crystal clear. Of the 17 teams in the Premier League for both seasons, we are 9th.

1. Arsenal: 72
2. Man City: 65
3. Man Utd: 64
4. Leicester: 60
5. Spurs: 59
6. Southampton: 58
7. Liverpool: 57
8. Everton: 57
9. Chelsea: 56
10. Crystal Palace: 54
11. Stoke: 51
12. West Brom: 46
13. Swansea: 42
14. West Ham: 39
15. Sunderland 30
16. Newcastle: 26
17. Aston Villa: 23

Now obviously, I will pre-empt this by saying that this shouldn't be directly inferred from. Clubs may have harder schedules one half of the season and that won't be accounted for, only looking at a calendar year. But it is nevertheless telling of just how pedestrian Chelsea's results have been for quite some time now in the league. In the last 3 months or so, pedestrian doesn't even begin to cover it( Since beating Arsenal we have collected 8 points from 9 games).

The reason I'm posting is, is not to call for scapegoating or knee-jerk reactions, but because I'm tired of deflections of bad form or bad luck. There is no way bad form is this consistent, this prolonged or this widespread among the entire squad. There has been no real response or reaction, our form is only stagnating. Burying our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose. We'll see how the rest of December goes but we are on track to get 63 points from 38 league games.

This doesn't rest on one person's head. Or one transfer window. Neither are faultless.

Either the squad is complacent and mentally weak or they are burnt out or the dressing room is lost. A combination of the three in varying factors is more than possible.

Thoughts?

Says nothing because we played for nothing but pride anymore after 35 matches. We were 13 points clear of City after match day 35 (Crystal Palace) and won the league, and we still had 3 noncompetitive games where we had nothing to lose, in those remaining games we dropped 5 points, drew with Pool, lost vs WBA, beat Sunderland.

So in the first half of the season we had 46, second half of the season 41 points, 87 in total, not that much of a contrast considering we dropped 5 points in noncompetitive games. The problem is solely this season, 15 points after 15 games.

If you want to talk about playing style and form, then that's another story.

[kmk108 1,186]

Sir Alex has always backed his fellow managers and defended their jobs even when they are indefensible, even Moyes, he's very old school and firmly belives in managerial stabilty and giving them time.

If Pellegrino starts piping up then defiently he has an ulterior motive but Fergie not so much.

And he dealt with the "sack fergie" in the beginning of his tenure.

[Fernando 6,586]

If we are going to be technical about it, he is the first manager to win it for God knows how long with a negative net spend the previous summer.

True that, but you do understand why?

Why you think we couldn't do it this summer?

Because we had to sell to buy, and we no longer have assets to sell.

[mtowle182 79]

"Standing by" is an euphemism for sharpening the axe until the time is right which 'i reckon is when the match-going fans turn on Mounrinho.

When blind Mourinho followers or fanboys stand by their idol even in the face of relegation due to his stubborness and ego, that is what I would consider a ridiculous situation.

So it's his stubbornness and ego and not class players playing like u21s

[Muzchap 8,966]

And he dealt with the "sack fergie" in the beginning of his tenure.

Poles apart you can't draw any parallels to then and now.

He inherited a team of drinkers and layabouts, is that the problem we currently have?

[Muzchap 8,966]

So it's his stubbornness and ego and not class players playing like u21s

Monkey see monkey do, normally you look to the manager for inspiration. However, he's a bigger child than most, so yeah - he is culpable...

His actions have led to the players not performing. Therefore he has failed and must be got rid off ASAP

[DYC. 7,542]

Have you ever thought of becoming an "erotic novelist"? .........Well you've got me picturing her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the plan after I retire from my career in space travel and adult films.

[kmk108 1,186]

Poles apart you can't draw any parallels to then and now.

He inherited a team of drinkers and layabouts, is that the problem we currently have?

No, but to Fergie, he's seen it before and saw what happened when the club stood by its manager. It's not unreasonable for him, who's always had a good respectable relationship with Mourinho, to make a comment like that given what Fergie has done.

[kmk108 1,186]

Monkey see monkey do, normally you look to the manager for inspiration. However, he's a bigger child than most, so yeah - he is culpable...

His actions have led to the players not performing. Therefore he has failed and must be got rid off ASAP

IF a new manager comes in and the squad still has trouble getting results, will you blame the new manager as well, or will you start to look to the players as possible culprits?

No doubt Mourinho has caused much of what's going on, but the players are underperforming on the pitch. If a new manager comes in, changes things up and the players still aren't getting the results, it's going to bring up interesting questions regarding who really cares in this team and what the hell happened.

Ok, I'm done with hypotheticals for the day