The Mourinho Thread

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Dude, don't confuse Chelsea with Estonian national team A club of Chelsea's stature shouldn't feel proud for "not losing by a bigger margin" against 10 men. I don't think anybody is claiming that the best team didn't win, it's about how they won (or rather how we lost) that is still bugging people and rightfully so, because our approach was atrocious and it is a valid concern in regards to big European games.

That's called confidence. You're confident enough to admit that, on that day, we lost to a better team. That doesn't mean anything more than that, no need to draw far reaching conclusions. Not proud of the result at all, but I can accept it, I can digest it. We've absolutely smashed teams over the years, does that make them bad teams? No, just bad luck, bad day, bad moment. They're still, objectively speaking, a great team.

We've had this defensive counter attacking apporoach to our game for so long, that's how we lucked out way to Champions League trophy, you know you're against a better team (which Barcelona, Bayern were that year), we had tons of injuries, suspensions and you just hang on and wait for your moment to strike. That's the plan, that's the approach. Is it the right way to go long term? Probably not, but you work with what you have. Like the saying goes: sitast saia ei tee (translated from Estonian: you can't make bread out of shit).

[manpe 10,861]

We've had this defensive counter attacking apporoach to our game for so long, that's how we lucked out way to Champions League trophy, you know you're against a better team (which Barcelona, Bayern were that year), we had tons of injuries, suspensions and you just hang on and wait for your moment to strike. That's the plan, that's the approach.

That year was a freak show, and indeed we lucked our way to glory. Such luck doesn't strike twice.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Do you remember how hopeless and shit we were? The scoreline doesn't even tell half the story.

what I can remember is Mourinho on the touchline trying to get the team to press more and the team seemingly just trying to play out a 1-0 and then a 2-1 only to be undone at the end both times.

Got the impression that the league was priority and the team were trying to see through the match with minimal effort.......is that Mourinho's fault when he was actively trying to get them to play with more energy?

[Rhino's Skin 972]

That year was a freak show, and indeed we lucked our way to glory. Such luck doesn't strike twice.

how can it be luck?? the matches were won on certain gameplans.

Or can we now say that if teams defend deep and with numbers against us and get a draw that it was all down to them being lucky as well

[BlueLyon 9,359]

What about Mourinho's Chelsea that just got out playing against inferior oppoents in CL, at home, for two years in a row? Okay, someone will say Atletico's squad was sooo much better, thats why they easily won, 3-1, at Stamford Bridge, and of course PSG was also miles better, thats why they managed to get the result they needed even if they were down to 10 men for most part of the game.

But actually you have a point, Guardiola tatics with Bayern are looking a bit suicidal at times.

Im not saying Mou is perfect, far from it, but Guardiola is also naive when it comes to big games.

Some still forget that his first CL win came after beating us in semis and they were as lucky that game at bridge as us when we won CL.

Now that I remember that game, yeah we lost after iniesta lucky strike but I would kill to see that chelsea again. We played against great barcelona yet we played brilliant, we werent afraid, we didnt park the bus. We dominated midfield with sheer power, we had great leaders. We lost but i was proud on our boys. Created chances, fought till the end. We played football. Now we have one huge mess and if we somehow get to play big team in CL we will either park bus and make unwatchable performance or they will run the show against us.

[Adnane 1,101]

At least he is not afraid of bigger opponents We were knocked out by 10 men PSG ...

I thought we had established that, no one saw what PSG did to Real at the Bernabeu ?

They are just too good, we were bad, indeed, but they are really good.

[Last Sicarius 610]

what I can remember is Mourinho on the touchline trying to get the team to press more and the team seemingly just trying to play out a 1-0 and then a 2-1 only to be undone at the end both times.

Got the impression that the league was priority and the team were trying to see through the match with minimal effort.......is that Mourinho's fault when he was actively trying to get them to play with more energy?

So if Jose was trying press on them so why they didnt listening to him? For me that match was so shit to watch and it was pure Mourinho tactic, Moreover, it wasnt only one match when we played on 0-0 or 1-0 in CL. PSG home played last time or Atletico home we just want to take 0-0 and TRY win on Bridge. It stupid for me to dont try score at least one in away match...

[Rhino's Skin 972]

So if Jose was trying press on them so why they didnt listening to him? For me that match was so shit to watch and it was pure Mourinho tactic, Moreover, it wasnt only one match when we played on 0-0 or 1-0 in CL. PSG home played last time or Atletico home we just want to take 0-0 and TRY win on Bridge. It stupid for me to dont try score at least one in away match...

I dont why they couldnt do what he was asking...but it did look as if each time they took the lead they just tried to cruise to the end and both times nearly made it.

Like I said, the league was priority and perhaps this was in players mentality and Mourinho could see the danger signs and tried to snap them out of it.

Urm.....in that PSG tie they did score away

[manpe 10,861]

how can it be luck?? the matches were won on certain gameplans.

Or can we now say that if teams defend deep and with numbers against us and get a draw that it was all down to them being lucky as well

If the gameplans included several teams pissing away golden opportunities and penalties against us, then yes, there was no luck. I disagree with it though, I still maintain that that year we won heavily thanks to some divine intervention (being an atheist though, the other word for that is 'luck' or simply 'Cech').

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Yeah thats why Bayern was dominating everyone but got out as soon they played against better opponents in CL for past two years.

Yeah because they didn't play Barcelona last season without half their team. I'd rather go down fighting like Bayern did than getting outplayed by 10 men at home.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

who really gave a flying toss about the CL last year anyway...... would take PL title all day long

[MefiX19 1,092]

who really gave a flying toss about the CL last year anyway...... would take PL title all day long

I gave. I wanted us to get ATLEAST to semi-final. I would take CL over PL any day.

[iseah100 5,612]

who really gave a flying toss about the CL last year anyway...... would take PL title all day long

CL is better. More competitive, more prestige.

[Last Sicarius 610]

We need to give all best from is each match in season no matter is a PL or a CL. Only that Coc looks poor but a trophy is a trophy.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

prem league is the bread and butter.....Mourinho and co plus a lot of paying customers would rather that delivered over any Euro trophy most years.

By Mourinho and co...I mean Wenger, Liverpool managers, Utd managers etc etc

[Rhino's Skin 972]

We need to give all best from is each match in season no matter is a PL or a CL. Only that Coc looks poor but a trophy is a trophy.

sometimes( more so now than in the past) its just not possible to substain an attack on all fronts.

Mourinho would like some sort of winter break and help with fixtures before CL matches like other Euro leagues.

[Special Juan 28,187]

sometimes( more so now than in the past) its just not possible to substain an attack on all fronts.

Mourinho would like some sort of winter break and help with fixtures before CL matches like other Euro leagues.

It's definitely not possible for us following on from a shite transfer window like last summer. And this was my point all along, build on the title success and break the bank for the quality required instead of penny pinching. All these failings such as poor performances and players drop in form just highlight how our squad cannot compete on all fronts, when it should be a case of 'we are' and not 'We Can't'

[iseah100 5,612]

http://teamstre.am/1MMl8yA

Filipe's criticism of Jose's style. Can't blame him and he's right imo.

[kmk108 1,186]

Champions of Europe or Champions of England. Hmmm, which sounds better.

The one you play 38 games in or one in which you play 13?

Sure, there's arguments for both. The Champions League is the "best teams in Europe" and it's the best known continental tournament, but no other competition is played (nearly) every weekend of the season with the same rivalries year in, year out that has the kind of history that the first division title has.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

From prestige, CL is certainly valued more, but for players, domestic leagues could have bigger role. Much more effort is put in there and consistancy plays huge role.

I dislike the format of CL because one game in the end dictates who is the winner. Its very dramatic but not as fair imo. Everyone should play everyone and the one that makes most points at the end is the CL winner.