The Mourinho Thread

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:26, Pizy said:

He'll never go to City, but yeah. A box office manager with a huge personality at a club like United would be terrible news for Chelsea and the rest of the league.

If we sack him we better have a DAMN good replacement.

Unfortunately, to break it to most Chelsea fans, there isn't a better manager than Mourinho in the world. Only Pep is on par but he'd never leave for us.

[Blue Armour 4,368]

  On 12/09/2015 at 22:53, Blue_Fox_ said:

Much of the reaction is over the top here. Some people seem to really enjoy our poor form right now so they just can write on a forum "i told you so"

Say we appoint Ancelotti, we're talking about a manager who isn't capable to do anything in a crisis time like this, do you lot know when Ancelotti is a good manager? When the previous one built the team for him and the team is already playing good football, other than that he's useless, apparently people forgot really quickly the 2010/11 season as quickly as they forgot that we won the title last season under José.

Klopp? What kind of assurance do we have he's going to be a hit? What if he fails? Are we going to go on and appoint and fire managers as soon as the wind goes the wrong direction?

People who think that Guardiola of all managers will come here need to wake up, the man despises us with a passion, and for me he's still a manager that isn't as good as people think. Players who play under him hate him, he won the treble with Barca? So did Enrique, i could manage Barca and win the treble.

People banging on and on and on about the doctors are forgetting really quickly that Guardiola did the same last season, with a much more respected doctor than Eva, you should really let this go now, because it's becoming boring really quickly, she has boobs, ok we get it, i like boobs also.

I honestly think that the "sacking the manager" culture has to stop at this club, Mourinho has his faults and i've very much zero confidence for the next match against Maccabi, not even Arsenal, i'm worried for the Maccabi match, but still, he's our manager, these are the players we have at the moment and let's do what we are supposed to do, and that is support them. If you don't like it so much, go support another club, as many times i don't even think i'm writing to fellow Chelsea supporters.

Apart from the last part, I can pretty much agree with the rest of your post. Everyone supporter can have an opinion

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Definitely going to quote a lot of these posts in here when the time is right, comedy gold.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:35, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

I know your not particularly fond of one JM, but I'm curious as to whether or not you'd have fired him by now? (Or give him until Saturday).

Also, who would be your ideal replacement, realistically for both interim and long-term? Genuine questions here.

These people don't have an answer to those questions, and that's where the problem lies with sacking Jose.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:47, kobematabryant said:

These people don't have an answer to those questions, and that's where the problem lies with sacking Jose.

for a long time Klopp

for now until end of the season someone like ranieri or di matteo .

[Pizy 18,544]

  On 12/09/2015 at 23:35, MrBlueGuy said:

Football works in cycle now, the sacking culture exists for a reason. The days of manager like Sir Alex staying at a club for 10+ years is over, Wenger is one of the last standing manager in this sense anyway. So what if we hire Klopp/Pep/Carlo again and they fail, we will simply hire another because that is how it works in modern football, people need to give up this fantasy of having a manager that consistently do well for a long period aka Sir Alex.

Why do we have to keep a manager for the sake of it? sometime when things start to go BADLY WRONG then you have to look at a change. Also don't kid yourself, a good new manager doesn't require 3 years period to bed in, usually they can start challenging straight away with a competitive squad which we got and will always have with our transfer plans. Soon after the likes of Wenger is gone the average stay period of a manager at a top 5 club could be as long as 5 years or less imo so we just simply have to get on with this trend.

  On 12/09/2015 at 23:37, lionsden said:

While lack of stability due to chopping and changing of managers is potentially catastrophic, so is persisting with a manager that is dragging the club down and has shown absolutely no ability of turning things around. There's a reason why he's never managed to stay at any club for more than three seasons. He's totally clueless when things are not going his way which is usually in his third season.

Who do you want to replace him?

As much as I'd love Pep I doubt he'd ever come to Chelsea. After him, I just don't see an outstanding candidate. This is the problem.

Klopp is truly the only choice.

[The Mak 4,459]

Both sides have valid points.

I don't really think there is a better manager than Mourinho out there for us at the moment, but I also don't agree with the way Mourinho is going about his business at all. The drama, the blame game, the favouritism, it's all fine when we're winning games but when the shit hits the fan there really is no hiding how bad he can be.

He's full of contradictions. He's persisted with players in truly horrible, horrible form (Brana and Fabregas) yet he's isolated some fantastic players for far, far less (Mata and De Bruyne). The result is that we're left with a considerably weaker Chelsea in terms of depth - just look at the bench today. The main reason why everyone has figured us out is because we're left with less options on how to play or how to change a game.

If Mourinho doesn't find a solution soon, I can't help but feel he is digging his own grave by sticking to his very old and slow guns (Ivanovic, Fabregas next to Matic etc.).

The old dog needs to find a new trick, otherwise Roman will have no other choice than to put him down at some point...

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:49, blues.bridge said:

for a long time Klopp

for now until end of the season someone like ranieri or di matteo .

Lol brining in RDM or Ranieri would make things worse.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:55, kobematabryant said:

Lol brining in RDM or Ranieri would make things worse.

if you say so!

why don't they go well?

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:44, kobematabryant said:

Unfortunately, to break it to most Chelsea fans, there isn't a better manager than Mourinho in the world. Only Pep is on par but he'd never leave for us.

Unfortunately to break it to you but the word your looking for is wasn't followed by 2004.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:13, zolayes said:

many of us were here long before Jose arrived ,,, DON'T dare to tell us to find another club . HOW long have you been a fan ???

Absolutely on point. Great post.

It's just boring and dull seeing people being told to support another team just because one disagrees with someone else's opinion. This really, really needs to stop.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:31, lionsden said:

Those who are calling for Mourinho to get the boot are not doing so solely based on result alone but a cumulation of several things which have already being discussed many times on here. We are a sinking ship right ow and from past history and latest indication/evidence, jose seem incapable of steadying the ship. His idea of turning things around is to stick with the same starting eleven and players who are totally out of form. His tactics aren't yielding any positive results and performance either. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? i pose that question to you and other Jose apologist. Majority have simply lost confidence in his ability to turn things around due to his stubbornness, delusional tendencies, favoritism, outdated tactics and previous history (3rd season syndrome) which are all legitimate reasons.

Touched a lot of nerves here....i will ignore many people saying "we were here before you " or "don't tell us what to do, what's wrong with milan" because they make no sense to me and they really don't show they're here "from a long time"

I'll answer to you, because you actually make good points, to which i agree i completely agree on the, stick with the same starting eleven, that is pretty much moronic, and i would like as much as the next man to see Ivanovic dropped, and by dropped i mean nowhere near the bench also, because he's just unwatchable right now.

Fabregas? The policy of giving him trust isn't working right now, so bench him finally. Give a chance to RLC that you have paraded last year like an exotic specimen, give him time already, he might bring us good things on the long run.

However i want to note another few things about this, as many people have surely noted, all of our starting eleven isn't performing, arguably only Begovic and Zouma are performing consistently on a good level, so what he's supposed to do with the likes of Matic, Hazard,Terry? They're not performing as well, take away Matic and Hazard and who you replace them with? Mikel and Kenedy? As much as i like Kenedy and Traoré they're not ready to be starters just about now. So i think it's fair to say he's being partially let down from hiw own players.

Another thing i don't like about Mourinho? His fetish for Falcao? Where on earth is Remy? Why he's not playing him? As many good people who criticize him with good arguments there is no meritocracy right about now, and that is infuriating.

I also agree with the many good people who say that we don't have a philosophy right now, to that, i cannot give an answer because is beyond comprehensible.

This brings me to the next point in my reasoning, for the whole team to play so badly, we cannot and we should not give all the blame on the manager, i've never seen something like this in a football team, is a total collapse, even from the second half of last season where while playing shit we would manage to get a result. Is it possible that the team as a whole as a total lack of balls and a complacency issue? Take a few games from last season as well, Maribor away and PSG home to make two examples, you could see from the kick off that we weren't in the match already, complacency?

Anyway, sacking the manager won't bring anything good, the root of the problem isn't in that or in buying new players, only good outcome we can have from this is if we manage to solve the problem with the current set of players and managerial staff, because i'm fairly sure the problem would present itself again with another manager, and then? Would we sack him also? Would we start again with having 2 managers each season? How long can we go on like that before no manager will want to come to us?

I'm pretty sure we won't play for the whole season like this(even if we keep José and we won't buy anyone in january), because it's impossible.

Also to the guy writing "mamma mia" please keep nationality stereotypes out of this, i don't know you, you don't know me, my thought aren't referred to you in particular as i never quoted your name nor i (think) ever offended you in particular. Thank you very much.

The part of "find another club to support" wasn't directed to people who have a "different" opinion, criticism is very good (i've many criticism to do about the club as well) and i very much enjoy exchanging opinions, when the discussion is kept rational and straight. What gets in my head is people who keep banging on the same two or three things, having absolutely nothing positive ever to say about the club (yes we're in a bad form, but come on), with over the top reactions, only positive things i've read from such people are for players who left us in recent years.

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I also agree that we shouldn't sack him yet, but jose need to show something to prove that

he still got idea.

He need to do something not just used same squad , same formation, same tactics

and then sit at the bench with unhappy face.

LVG and BR may be a joke for their fans but both still working on to find the solution

They change formation rotation and style to find it.

Jose now just still believe he had a formation, first XI and tactics even it didn't work anymore. He just used his trust sit and hope his men will back on form.

Trust was turn to stubborn nows and HE MUST HAS HIS LIMITED ALSO.

I also feel that most squad got a loads of pressure, they want to win badly but they don't know how to do that

Matic Azpilicueta Willian Costa Zouma Cahill even Ivanovic responded by running like crazy and make they position lose and make things even bad

Cecs Hazard just give up they feel lost in the filed don't know what to do and lost all their confident game by game.

Everybody saw the problems and I believe Jose and his staffs saw it to, If he can flip the situation and come back before January He'll continues to his path. If not he'll like Klopp just give up and give a chance to some one else.

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  On 12/09/2015 at 23:44, kobematabryant said:

Unfortunately, to break it to most Chelsea fans, there isn't a better manager than Mourinho in the world. Only Pep is on par but he'd never leave for us.

It ain't 2010 anymore bro.

The guy is so one dimensional, he didn't know how to incorporate Luiz and De Bruyne into this team. Let that sink in.

[Essien19 1,415]

I hope that Jose Mourinho will remain at Chelsea for a long time!

Yes, it's a horrible way to start the season; key players are out of form, team selection is debatable, tactics aren't spot on and the list does go on...
It's a pretty bad spell, but there is a slow moving; instead of Willian Mourinho decided to bring on Kenedy.

Young guys do stand a chance, if they are capable of reaching the expected heights and behave themselves.
That's a good message for all of the prospects!

Mourinho tried to give Fabregas more space and Mikel should have helped Matic to protect the midfield, sadly, it didn't work out as planned...

Yes, i would have trusted Loftus-Cheek to get the job done, but who am i to pose such a claim.

Under these cirumstances Chelsea should have beaten Everton, no doubt about that, but it isn't the end yet.

In the past i have seen enough to know what Mourinho is capable of.

I think he really tries to succeed, in my point of view he was nervous before the game in his press conference, he still cares.

Sometimes you have a bad time in your job, but you need the appreciation from others to bounce back.

If the club doesn't win anything i would stick with him, because there is consistency, identity and an academic learns from his mistakes.

When you are falling in love with a person the first period is great, but after that, you have to put effort into your relationship,
otherwise it's falling apart. Both sides have to work on their behaviour, should approach one another and move into the right direction together.

[11Drogba 2,000]

"This brings me to the next point in my reasoning, for the whole team to play so badly, we cannot and we should not give all the blame on the manager"

This is exactly when the manager should be blamed. What are we supposed to do, renew the whole team every third year?

[Clockwork 1,794]

What is up with the Carlo suggestion?

please tell me how that would be a move in the right direction? side way at best, and maybe the most unoriginal hiring ever. I am actually looking forward to an explanaion.

[Etoo fils 45]

We have a great acadamy but Mourinho doesn't like young player.

His magic works for 2 years, almost always, but the third year...players are exhausted.

The pressure he puts on the team and the lack of changing player will not allow the team to stay at the top for many years.

That's why Ferguson didn't want him at United.

His new contract is a huge mistake from the club.