johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ehmm...the notion that 1 (non-team) player will win you trophies is absurd. Do you think the second coming of christ Ronaldo will set up tactics in big matches or he will jsut sulk when a team-mate doesn't pass the ball to him, so he can inflate his goal stats and ego?Personally i would never want a players like that in any team i'd support.Also, "what you gave him"? It was an example ffs. Players win you trophies, managers make you think they make you win trophies. They might make a difference yes. José is making a negative difference, that's for sure. Give Ferguson or Guardiola 11 donkeys and they win exactly nothing.And here comes the "what do you mean, YOU? Are you not a CHELSEA fan!!!?" argument again. ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Players win you trophies, managers make you think they make you win trophies.Yeah......no. Absolutely not. There's no need to explain why also. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yeah......no. Absolutely not. There's no need to explain why also.Explain to me what he added to the team. Give me a practical example. Did he make them play better football? Are they more secure? Did he put the right guys on the right spot? Did he bring some nice patterns with him? Fluent attacks? A nice atmosphere in the dressing room? A positive image for the club? Most managers are completely interchangeable. Did Van Gaal do a better job than Moyes for example? Van Gaal got a couple of € 100 million of new players. Moyes got Fellaini. They were arguably even worse last year. Play like complete shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 blablablaSimply try to make a team play without a manager 'nuff said. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Simply try to make a team play without a manager 'nuff said.I'm not saying that. I'm saying any decent manager will do. Still, got no examples of Mourinho's attributions to the team. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm saying any decent manager will do. AVB, Grant, Scolari and RDM would want your theory to be true.A nice atmosphere in the dressing room? A positive image for the club?Are they more secure?Did he make them play better football?first-half of the season with pretty and fluent attacks, wins over Liverpool,Man City and 6-0 to Arsenal in his first year.Want another example of "any decent manager will do"? Give the current Belgium NT to someone like Lippi 2006 or Del Bosque 2010 and they might put in a convincing performance finally. Essien19, stroey and Special 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Double. Blue_Fox_ and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 johnnythefirst, on 07 Oct 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:Yeayea.Cristiano makes 40-50 goals a season, José makes zero goals a season.I'd go for Ronaldo.I'm just saying José is not worth anything close to what you gave him. And now that he has a 5 year deal he can pretty much finish last and still take the club hostage (since he would "NEVER resign!!!") unless they give him € 50 million. Also, Ronaldo wasn't playing Barca in the Premier League. ;-)What A Stupid Logic. Nothing personal, but this sounds like something a Basketball fan starting to follow Football this year would say, you should know better as a regular Football fan.. Essien19 and Clockwork 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Dudes, the Ronaldo thing was just an example.A manager shouldn't earn 13,5 million. Better to strenghten your team with some top class players.Also, yes, the previous managers couldn't win Chelsea the league (they won the CL though, but ok, as underdogs). Was Chelsea the strongest team in the PL? Playerwise? At the time? If the Chelsea players obviously stood out from the other teams: yes, you should have won some more titles, if not: luck and other team's performances are also an issue. My basic point was that current Mourinho (and LVG for all I care) is overrated, makes teams play worse football, has clear favorites and doesn't know what to do when shit happens. Chelsea won the league in 4 months last year. I said it before, if Hazard would not have been there to carry the attack by himself for months and if all of the other contenders wouldn't have choked massively, he would have failed last year as well. Honestly, there hasn't been a single good game against a decent opponent since early this year. lionsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Want another example of "any decent manager will do"? Give the current Belgium NT to someone like Lippi 2006 or Del Bosque 2010 and they might put in a convincing performance finally.Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager.He's not a manager he's a motivator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager.aaaahhh i see......Still my point remains, give this team to Lippi 2006 and the team would win convincingly.You do seem a bit confused about what you're saying tbh......So, José is overrated, but any decent manager would do? hmmmm......Sorry but i think now you're changing your tune.Back to the drawing board, as any "decent manager" would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Do you have last season's defensive chart? I would love to see a comparisonThese aren't mine. They're experimental361, but here's the defensive chart from last season. Please. Hold your tears backAlso, here's the attacking chart from last season:Compared with this season Reddish-Blue, zolayes and Blue_Fox_ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Jose Mourinho 'knows everything' - Chelsea defender Kurt Zouma http://www.espnfc.co.uk/chelsea/story/2652039/jose-mourinho-knows-everything-chelsea-defender-kurt-zouma k33m575, Essien19 and kmk108 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Jose Mourinho 'knows everything' - Chelsea defender Kurt Zoumahttp://www.espnfc.co.uk/chelsea/story/2652039/jose-mourinho-knows-everything-chelsea-defender-kurt-zouma"After defeats, there's a strange atmosphere in the dressing room," he said. "There's complete silence -- no one opens their mouth. Mourinho has taught us to hate defeat. We're steeped in that culture so it's hard for us."Someone needs to speak up and be a leader in the dressing room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Carlo Ancelotti: I Dont Believe Chelsea Really Want to Lose Jose Mourinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Carlo Ancelotti: I Dont Believe Chelsea Really Want to Lose Jose Mourinho http://talkingbaws.com/2015/10/carlo-ancelotti-i-dont-believe-chelsea-really-want-to-lose-jose-mourinho/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Where would he find a new job so quickly? Can't see any way he goes to PSG as he'd be bored out of his mind with that league. Likewise Serie A. Can't go back to Spain. It's either wait for Van Gaal's contract to run out and hope he can persuade them to hire him or take a much smaller job.There are only so many top clubs out there he can manage and he's gone through quite a few.better to be bored by winning a shit league than be bored by staying at home doing nothing?and last time i checked psg had a lot of "tall players". and maybe he would sell us verratti cos u know, he is not tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,994 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 better to be bored by winning a shit league than be bored by staying at home doing nothing?and last time i checked psg had a lot of "tall players". and maybe he would sell us verratti cos u know, he is not tall.I just think that at PSG your season is basically over if you don't win the CL which is why I don't think he'd go there. So much luck and fortune is involved in the CL too. Winning Ligue 1 is already basically a given for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Carlo Ancelotti: I Dont Believe Chelsea Really Want to Lose Jose MourinhoEven Carlo knows best. Essien19, iceboy and Fulham Broadway 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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