The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Name these previous managers that were let off easy. Although I suspect those managers weren't drama queen who dragged the image of the club through the mud and had us languishing in bottom half of the table at the end of September while playing atrocious football to boot whilst doing absolutely nothing to inspire confidence and so on.

AVB, Ancelotti etc. Those managers had their faults during their time but the blame, back then, was laid equally on both parties. At the moment, it seems like it's more on the manager than the players. Why? I said it before, Mourinho hasn't done himself any favors with several questionable decisions but the players haven't helped him and our cause either. No one is taking any responsibility and they seem to be taking the easy way out by just 'hiding' behind the manager, letting him to take all the criticism while they do nothing to improve their own performances. It's something that we have seen in the past with previous managers and it seems to be happening again.

playing atrocious football to boot whilst doing absolutely nothing to inspire confidence and so on.

We might not exactly be playing scintillating football right now but it appears you have forgotten how pathetic our football was under AVB, Ancelotti (second season) etc as well. The kind of football we're putting out there at the moment is no different to what we played in those times.

[lucio 5,418]

Now i understand your frustrations with performances and more importantly results but to say we are in danger of missing out on the top 4 is ludicrous. We are 5 points behind with 31 games still to play....

And we don't look up to playing anyone bar Sunderland. You think we will beat Southampton?

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

i think that Roman A the club owner should tell Jose to take 5 matches premier league break and Roman A needs to be manager for 5 premier league matches and if the players don't get in the mood or have the motivation when Roman A is manager. then all the players deserve and need to be all hanged from their balls.

[coolhead23 1,147]

I don't give a shit about us getting 50m, especially when we have no one to replace Luis.

That in hindsight was one of the club's biggest mistakes this year. We should have kept him.

But should've coulda woulda isn't going to change anything now. So disappointed.

Well Luis wasnt particularly playing well at that point of time... so the money was like a bonus ... But thats another story ...

At the end of the day, we are a football club and there has to be an influx of revenue coming in for meeting the so called ticks for FFP (it is shits I know that). And 50m was well invested into Costa and Fab who gave us the title last season ... If i m not wrong, we got Zouma for Luis which is not a bad deal.

We failed to get anyone this season despite getting 2 CBs and loaning out 2 or we just dont want anyone else but the current lot...

Either ways, I agree that is disappointing and very disappointed.

[Tomo 21,751]

I understand people's frustrations, but making Mourinho solely culpable for the failings of the players is too convenient an excuse, in my opinion. He deserves his share of the blame but anyone calling for his head is making a severe over-reaction in my book. Okay, it is his job to set the team up and organise us tactically, etc., and to motivate the players, but the fact is we're still playing catch-up with everybody after our belated start to pre-season. I wholeheartedly believe we'll come good around Christmas and put a United-esque run together to get back into title contention. But with 93 points left to play for, I'm not worried just yet. Still a long time to go and we're just on a bad run. This is the fickle nature of football.

Ancelotti's second season was amongst the darkest days in Chelsea's recent history, and the root cause of our failings up until Mourinho's return (his failure to replace key members of the squad, i.e. Carvalho, Ballack, Joe Cole, as well as his inability to instigate a period of transition between Mourinho's first squad and an overhaul of younger players being his biggest fault). Be careful what you wish for.

Exactly, its quite funny the rewriting of history when it comes to Carlos spell here, the second season was beyond woeful, people cite second place, 71 points won't get top 4 most season's.

Also not to mention the same people wanting Mou sacked calling for Carlo or Klopp, one went on a run for us much worse than this andthe other was bottom of the league for a lot of last season.

[couris 232]

Maureen had a stacked team when he came here with Mata, KDB, Luiz, Luis. Maureen fans were telling us he would never sell Mata and Luiz. He didnt know what to do with them. Think about it for a second. Unreal. He destroyed this team. FUCK OFF JOSE.

[Tomo 21,751]

but ryan is CLEARLY not good enough for us. just like MOSES is "clearly not good enough for us" (someone said this exact line right after moses put in a 10/10 performance at the etihad. LOL)

Halliday for Bradford put a 10/10 vs us in the FA Cup last season.

Why did we let him go to Rangers?Fuck sake.

[didierforever 7,349]

Halliday for Bradford put a 10/10 vs us in the FA Cup last season.

Why did we let him go to Rangers?Fuck sake.

ryan bertrand - played a brilliant game in the CL final. was consistently good at every oppurtunity he got for chelsea. was in the PL team of the year last year.

moses - in his one season for us, he was one of our best players in europa league. has been brilliant in every pre-season oppurtunity he has got for the club, was really good at stoke last year before injuries ruined the season, has had a brilliant start to the whu loan spell.

but i can see why u would compare a player who got into the PL team of the year to some random guy in league 1 playing 1 good match. brilliant argument.

[lucio 5,418]

Never thought bertrand was that good for us.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Damn why we let Zola go...we could use him right now....or Joe Cole.....

[Stats 7,151]

Never thought bertrand was that good for us.

He never got enough chances. When he did step in he done well. And with more game time he would have developed. I remember Bellerin got subbed off for Arsenal at H/T last season when they were 3-0 down to Stoke and it must of been a big confidence knock for him. Did Arsenal just leave him out to dry and send him out on countless loans? No, they realised he was a work in progress and kept faith in him. Look now. We should really try doing the same with ours. Especially when we have top English talents like that, we just get rid. Confuses the shit out of me. Bertrand would get much more praise if he was playing regularly at us instead of Southampton.

[Tomo 21,751]

ryan bertrand - played a brilliant game in the CL final. was consistently good at every oppurtunity he got for chelsea. was in the PL team of the year last year.

moses - in his one season for us, he was one of our best players in europa league. has been brilliant in every pre-season oppurtunity he has got for the club, was really good at stoke last year before injuries ruined the season, has had a brilliant start to the whu loan spell.

but i can see why u would compare a player who got into the PL team of the year to some random guy in league 1 playing 1 good match. brilliant argument.

Bosingwa played in the CL final, we were massive underdogs for a reason, out of everyone who played that night none would get in our current team, maybe Mata under a different manager. Meireles was brilliant in Barca harassing Iniesta and Xavi, should we have kept him too?

Moses wasaverage for the most part and abysmal at Liverpool at a team that was perfectly set us for attacking mids.

[borriske 330]

50m ... says it all ... who would refuse that for 3rd string CB at the club ...

However the question should be why didnt we find replacements for the ageing players ...

Are we talking about Luiz or Luis?

[didierforever 7,349]

Bosingwa played in the CL final, we were massive underdogs for a reason, out of everyone who played that night none would get in our current team, maybe Mata under a different manager. Meireles was brilliant in Barca harassing Iniesta and Xavi, should we have kept him too?

Moses wasaverage for the most part and abysmal at Liverpool at a team that was perfectly set us for attacking mids.

again with the one match examples?

what about getting into the PL team of the year? do you even get what u r comparing? bertrand was always consistent and a solid option that again jose's stubborness cost us.

moses was average playing as a CAM in a 3-5-2 or as a right wing back which is technically the most difficult and demanding position to play. he is a winger, who can do a defensive job too but it does not mean that you can play him as a RWB.

and then comes the fact of how he has looked every time he has been given a chance for us (even if its pre-season).

[Clockwork 1,794]

We are short: one defender and one central midfielder

Our main weak areas: one spot in defence and central midfield.

Mourinho asked for: one defender and a central midfielder in April/May.

He got from the board: An unknown Djilobodji and reports of 33 loanees.

Let's all blame Mourinho, only.

How would that have made a difference?

A central midfielder to replace who? a lot of players are underperforming but Cesc ranks the highest alongside Ivanovic. Mou has shown no tendency or inclination to drop Cesc, as long as he is Playing I can hardly see improvement in midfield.

Stones would have replaced Zouma, no chance of both starting. Come on no way Mou to drop both Cahill and Terry. TBF to Zouma he has been a bright side to our season, and Cahill has done a decent job. our CB duo ranks quite low in our short term concern.

You are also taking for granted that these two signings would have played a lot, there is no guarantee of that. Just look at Baba, he is not even on the bench.

I am curious who was this CM Mou wanted?

[didierforever 7,349]

How would that have made a difference?

A central midfielder to replace who? a lot of players are underperforming but Cesc ranks the highest alongside Ivanovic. Mou has shown no tendency or inclination to drop Cesc, as long as he is Playing I can hardly see improvement in midfield.

Stones would have replaced Zouma, no chance of both starting. Come on no way Mou to drop both Cahill and Terry. TBF to Zouma he has been a bright side to our season, and Cahill has done a decent job. our CB duo ranks quite low in our short term concern.

You are also taking for granted that these two signings would have played a lot, there is no guarantee of that. Just look at Baba, he is not even on the bench.

I am curious who was this CM Mou wanted?

jose actually pulled a wenger on us.

his CM target was pogba. a 100mil pound player who was wanted by barca and who will end up at barca. plus juve was never going to sell him after losing pirlo, vidal and tevez. we were "in for him" but realistically, we never stood a chance. exactly a thing wenger does every summer and most of the fans end up angry at the board.

[boshman 1,073]

And we don't look up to playing anyone bar Sunderland. You think we will beat Southampton?

If we play like we did 2nd half yday then of course we can beat Southampton.

[didierforever 7,349]

How would that have made a difference?

A central midfielder to replace who? a lot of players are underperforming but Cesc ranks the highest alongside Ivanovic. Mou has shown no tendency or inclination to drop Cesc, as long as he is Playing I can hardly see improvement in midfield.

Stones would have replaced Zouma, no chance of both starting. Come on no way Mou to drop both Cahill and Terry. TBF to Zouma he has been a bright side to our season, and Cahill has done a decent job. our CB duo ranks quite low in our short term concern.

You are also taking for granted that these two signings would have played a lot, there is no guarantee of that. Just look at Baba, he is not even on the bench.

I am curious who was this CM Mou wanted?

jose actually pulled a wenger on us.

his CM target was pogba. a 100mil pound player who was wanted by barca and who will end up at barca. plus juve was never going to sell him after losing pirlo, vidal and tevez. we were "in for him" but never stood any chance realistically. in the end, people would say the board failed (like they are currently).

whats worse is that players like koke were available for 60mil euros buy out clause and would have been a massive massive massive upgrade for us. but i honestly dont think jose even wanted a CM. he has cesc, why would he need a proper well rounded CM.

[Tomo 21,751]

again with the one match examples?

what about getting into the PL team of the year? do you even get what u r comparing? bertrand was always consistent and a solid option that again jose's stubborness cost us.

moses was average playing as a CAM in a 3-5-2 or as a right wing back which is technically the most difficult and demanding position to play. he is a winger, who can do a defensive job too but it does not mean that you can play him as a RWB.

and then comes the fact of how he has looked every time he has been given a chance for us (even if its pre-season).

Exactly, pre season, it means absolutely nothing, Maarko Marin shone in pre season, also Liverpool reverted away from 3-5-2 in the second half and he was still awful when given chances, some players are better a mid table, nothing wrong with That.

And Bertrand has one big weakness, he lets crosses into the box easily, Ivan gets mullered for that but Bertrand gets away with It.

[didierforever 7,349]

Exactly, pre season, it means absolutely nothing, Maarko Marin shone in pre season, also Liverpool reverted away from 3-5-2 in the second half and he was still awful when given chances, some players are better a mid table, nothing wrong with That.

And Bertrand has one big weakness, he lets crosses into the box easily, Ivan gets mullered for that but Bertrand gets away with It.

first things first, lets clear the misconceptions you have about moses. he played for a whole of 847 minutes for liverpool. they were not in any european competitions. got knocked out in the first matches of both the domestic cups.

now lets come back to the point of second half of the season - from match day 20 to matchday 38, he played a total of 69 minutes. but kudos to judging him on that. and if you dont believe me, here are the stats. http://www.transfermarkt.com/victor-moses/leistungsdaten/spieler/59866/plus/?saison=2013

yes, that is a weakness. but can bertand cross? can bertrand defend 1v1 situations? can bertrand not get dribbled past multiple times in a match. overall, is bertrand defensively good. the answer is yes.