The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

What's shocking is people say top clubs can never implement youth yet look at how Real Madrid, Barca and top German clubs have implemented youth. PSG who we all make fun of for splashing millions, play youth too.

People have claimed in the past things like "This is not Torres FC" or "This is not Mata FC". Yet is this club is turning into Mourinho FC?

WRONG! YOU ARE WRONG! DON'T SAY MOURINHO DOESN'T PLAY STYLISH FOOTBALL! REMEMBER THE 1ST HALF AT HOME TO HULL AND TWENTY MINUTES VS ASTON VILLA IN THE FOLLOWING GAME! Don't doubt Da Jose!

I remember someone tweeted during our game against Swansea at home: "Hazard and Mata can 1-2 their way through anything." Youtubers were going crazy last season over creating videos of the stylish football played by Mata, Hazard and Oscar.

They'd have a hell of challenge even creating 1 for this season. How long has it been since I even saw Chelsea do a 1-2?

We criticise Pulis and Alladyce for hoofing the ball with sides that are worth much less than us yet, we are a side worth 100s of millions and how do we chase games?

Put on a bunch of strikers and hoof the ball into the penalty box.

again even here. bayern and barca have had years of stability before doing that. RM have one youngster in JESE who is doing that. psg play in ligue 1 where they can afford to play youth players and still walk the league. how difficult is that to understand.

hull, villa, soton both legs, we were brilliant against everton but failed to put the ball in open nets (remember schurlle and etoo), united 3-1, arsenal 6-0, spurs 4-0, even our last to last PL match against swansea where we should have scored atleast 5 yet the score was 1-0, the 2 legs against schalke, at home to gala, psg, at home to pool was the best attacking half i have ever seen, they could get hold of the ball.

seriously

we are the 3rd highest goal scorers in the league just behind a city team which in every position beats us for man to man in attack and mid. another is the pool team whose strikers have scored 50 goals in the league this season. how many have ours scored?

[NishC300 1,865]

again even here. bayern and barca have had years of stability before doing that. RM have one youngster in JESE who is doing that. psg play in ligue 1 where they can afford to play youth players and still walk the league. how difficult is that to understand.

hull, villa, soton both legs, we were brilliant against everton but failed to put the ball in open nets (remember schurlle and etoo), united 3-1, arsenal 6-0, spurs 4-0, even our last to last PL match against swansea where we should have scored atleast 5 yet the score was 1-0, the 2 legs against schalke, at home to gala, psg, at home to pool was the best attacking half i have ever seen, they could get hold of the ball.

seriously

we are the 3rd highest goal scorers in the league just behind a city team which in every position beats us for man to man in attack and mid. another is the pool team whose strikers have scored 50 goals in the league this season. how many have ours scored?

Regarding the youth I replied on the other thread.

Are you actually serious? We were completely utterly shit against Swansea and basically scraped a shitty goal against a TEN man side.

I stated earlier that we played good football in the 1st half against Hull and the 1st 20 mins vs Villa this season.

4-0 AGAINST SPURS!!?!?!? We didn't even create a decent chance all game and scored of 4 of the most comical possible errors in football.

3-1 against United? The 1st goal was ridiculously lucky and the other two were just horrendous defending of set pieces. Then we just parked the bus.

The Arsenal game was alright, even though we were playing against A TEN MAN Arsenal and most of our goals were because of Arsenal's basically allowing us to play though balls splitting their midfield.

Away to Schalke we just parked the bus in the 1st half after scoring of a set piece and then the 2nd half was just easy. Galatasaray were nothing short of horrendous in defence (they lost 4-1 to a 10 man Madrid which was without most of its key players).

Remember our two goals against PSG? The 1st was just a long throw in which we scuffled in and the Ba goal came after our CBs HOOFED the ball into the penalty box at least three times. That's Jose Pulis right there.

I agree though the 1st half against Liverpool was terrific. Incredible stuff, but if anything that proves what Mourinho said was wrong.

Mourinho claimed he had to sacrifice good football for results yet right here we beat Liverpool at home after playing stunning football? Isn't this kinda self-contradictory?

[bushman 2,043]

Since we all are entitled to an opinion & we should have one here, I do not understand some of the name calling here.

Some are laughing at Jose´s tactics, others are happy to win games at all cost.

As far as I am concerned, should I be happy to see 10 players in front of the box defending for their lives just to get the desired result? The results are great, but to be ridiculed by the media everywhere, is something I would like to avoid.

I honestly believe Jose was not hired to park the bus in every other game. Hopefully, it will be changed in the next season. Otherwise, parking the bus & ending out of the semis, 3rd in the PL, Jose goes fishing.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

[didierforever 7,349]

Regarding the youth I replied on the other thread.

Are you actually serious? We were completely utterly shit against Swansea and basically scraped a shitty goal against a TEN man side.

I stated earlier that we played good football in the 1st half against Hull and the 1st 20 mins vs Villa this season.

4-0 AGAINST SPURS!!?!?!? We didn't even create a decent chance all game and scored of 4 of the most comical possible errors in football.

3-1 against United? The 1st goal was ridiculously lucky and the other two were just horrendous defending of set pieces. Then we just parked the bus.

The Arsenal game was alright, even though we were playing against A TEN MAN Arsenal and most of our goals were because of Arsenal's basically allowing us to play though balls splitting their midfield.

Away to Schalke we just parked the bus in the 1st half after scoring of a set piece and then the 2nd half was just easy. Galatasaray were nothing short of horrendous in defence (they lost 4-1 to a 10 man Madrid which was without most of its key players).

Remember our two goals against PSG? The 1st was just a long throw in which we scuffled in and the Ba goal came after our CBs HOOFED the ball into the penalty box at least three times. That's Jose Pulis right there.

I agree though the 1st half against Liverpool was terrific. Incredible stuff, but if anything that proves what Mourinho said was wrong.

Mourinho claimed he had to sacrifice good football for results yet right here we beat Liverpool at home after playing stunning football? Isn't this kinda self-contradictory?

so did RM park the bus against bayern.

there is a difference between park the bus and good counter attcking football, against united, city, schalke it was that case. if arsenal and gala have a poor defence, its not our mistake, u want us to play like the likes of RM, barca and bayern but dont say how pathetic the teams they face are.

but i think its would be stupid of my part to make u understand it since u clearly dont know the difference between park the bus and counter attacking footballing.

against swansea we dint create a chance now? did we? did u even see the bloosy match???

against liverpool in the first match at SB we played

• 01 Cech - injured
• 02 Ivanovic - started
• 28 Azpilicueta - started
• 08 Lampard - started
• 24 Cahill - bemched Booked
• 26 Terry - injured Booked
• 17 Hazard- inured
• 04 David Luiz- rested Booked
• 29 Eto'o - injured
• 11 Oscar - injured k
• 22 Willian - bench

so congratulations, u had a 3 whole players playing against the team which 2 weeks ago had owned city at their own game, and we were supposed to go their and play attacking football. how are u not an arsenal fan? they do just that. 5-1 that ended.

against ATM in the first leg, if we had started with oscar and schurrle and tried to play attacking football, our bench would have been schwarzer, ake, kalas, mvg, rambo, mikel, ba. in a bloody CL semi-final match. if we were 1-0 down at 70 mins who could have been a the impact player there. it was important to get a positive result even if it was 0-0 out of that match and we did. hence we had to sacrifice our good football in few big and pivotal games.

now to the best part of your comment about the PSG game. simply tells me what u exactly are and what your knowledge about this club is. u do remember the 2 scrappy goals but u wont remember the 3 times we hit the woodwork thru good play? our general play, pressing, passing etc were quite good in that match and we completely dominated a team which has some brilliant players like psg. we were unable to SCORE. except for that we did everything right in that match. what did u want us to do? get out of the CL since we cant adapt like barca and bayern? give the man a major pat on the back for changing the way we played. we went long ball and even if we had not been able to score, i would have felt proud knowing we did all we could to score.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Arsenal play attacking football - won fuck all for years.

Liverpool played great this season - probably win fuck all.

Everyone wants to see goals but, I would rather not see them flying in against us. We played great football the season we won the double but, look at the squad we had. Drogba played a huge part in the way we played, scoring goals and creating chances for others. We don't have that right now, if we tried to play attacking football this season it would be like the AVB season, conceding all over the gaff

I agree we could do better against the lower teams but, with no real threat up top and players that waste chances we don't have much hope. The ball distribution from the back to the other end is still way too slow

[Tomo 21,733]

Are you seriously gonna deny that Ancelotti's not done a better job than Mourinho? (a far better job tbh)

U were the same guy who was confidently saying Ancelotti'd miserably fail at the beginning of the season.

Many of u here were stating things such as Come back when Mourinho takes us to the final or let's see what the critics say when we'll be playing the Final in Lisbon?

U also predicted us to win the League at the beginning of the season because of Mourinho's brilliance. (Which I must say I still have a glimmer of hope about).

None of those predictions/statements have come true....

Based on what? The CL? Going by that theory Avram an Robbie are the best managers in Chelsea history.

You on about overall? because Mou won the league over what many say are one of the best team's of all time.

Regarding what you are claiming i said (something i cleared up already) i said Real won't win La Liga any time soon, which i stand by and i said City have a better squad than us but we will make up for that with our manager and challenge them, again, which looking at the table now i would say that was pretty spot on, don't you?

[iceman 329]

so, Eidur wrote an autobiography?

some link please

[hjperdeath 2,226]

so, Eidur wrote an autobiography?

some link please

Nah a Belgian journalist asked him about Mourinho when he joined Club Brugge..

[Barbara 15,149]

'I felt we couldn't arrive where we did in the Champions League if we didn't change our style of play. The team became more strategical and less intuitive because we went for results.

'My strikers are good players and they did good work for us. I'm happy if they are here next season again and all my respect to them.

With the production of attacking football, we didn't always have the killer profile, even our wingers and number 10s. We had lots of games where we were fantastic; at Everton, for example, at half-time it should have been 5-0 and it was 0-1.'

'To play in an attractive way is when you create seven chances and score five goals. Because of that you can concede two or three and still win,' Mourinho said.

'Look how many goals the Liverpool strikers score, they didn't score against Chelsea. You see how many goals Diego Costa has scored this season but over two games he only scored a penalty against Chelsea.'

http://www.chelseafc.com/news-article/article/3801216/title/mourinho-important-changes?WT.mc_id=social_20140503_23184574

I'm using your post, but I could have quoted many others.

Mourinho said himself early in December, before the Arsenal game (I don't remember in which post-match conference, I guess against Sunderland in the COC or against Stoke) that he felt like he needed to change the style and go a little more defensive and pragmatic because the team wasn't ready for the kind of football he wanted them to play otherwise it'd jeopardize the goals in the season and he was saying constantly the main goal this season was qualifying to next UCL (as well as qualifying to round of 16 in the UCL, I just don't remember if this specific interview was before or after we confirmed our place in round of 16).

So why are people acting surprised now (don't mean you)?

He said it BEFORE he did it and he justified it and a few of us have been reminding everyone about it for a few weeks now. But people are so ready to blame someone, to disregard the manager that changed us a lot this season. We weren't lucky winners (or losers) through the competitions we played. We reached UCL semifinal deservingly getting passed Gala and PSG and we lost deservingly too when a team was better than us.

We won the double of the two possible EPL champions and we played better than them in half those matches. we were competitive against the other 'big sides', but our inability to break down defenses led us to drop points against smaller sides. That's also a problem Mourinho, Hazard and others addressed and I'm positive they're aware something needs to be done.

Mourinho wanted us to play a more attractive or at least offensive style, we weren't ready for that, he took a couple of steps back and set up in a way we would reach the seasons' objectives that have been broadcast by him since the season started which I mentioned above.

But there's also another thing he's been saying for a long time now and we are entitled to ask for results not only based on his words, but also because it means we gave him time to settle and assess the real situation: he's been saying next season we'll fight for the titles, we'll be favorites, we'll be big horses, etc... Mourinho said that and therefore we can come here this time next season and question him if he doesn't reach it (even then we need to be sober enough to know that sometimes you just lose for a small detail, some races are tight). If we present the same football a year from now, he's failed to his own words. If we still struggle against smaller sides, he's failed his own words too. But if we make progress and become real contenders for EPL and UCL (even if for some tragedy we don't win), then it's mission accomplished and titles will come (I'm positive they'll already come next season).

So he announced to the whole world what were the club's goals this season, when he realized he had to stop the work to move to the style he wanted otherwise those objectives would be jeopardized he again announced to the whole world he was taking a step back (what's the point of continuing the evolution of having a more attractive football if we miss our spot in the UCL and can only be able to show such style in Europa League? Arsenal just didn't miss their UCL spot because Everton chocked hard). And lastly, he's been putting a lot of pressure on himself and in the team admitting and taking the role of protagonist next season. He's saying his team will be one of the top dogs next season. His communication has been clear and fine and I think he's been very fair in the objectives he set for the team this season and the next as those objectives seem coherent,realistic and attainable.

[Fernando 6,491]

I'm using your post, but I could have quoted many others.

Mourinho said himself early in December, before the Arsenal game (I don't remember in which post-match conference, I guess against Sunderland in the COC or against Stoke) that he felt like he needed to change the style and go a little more defensive and pragmatic because the team wasn't ready for the kind of football he wanted them to play otherwise it'd jeopardize the goals in the season and he was saying constantly the main goal this season was qualifying to next UCL (as well as qualifying to round of 16 in the UCL, I just don't remember if this specific interview was before or after we confirmed our place in round of 16).

So why are people acting surprised now (don't mean you)?

He said it BEFORE he did it and he justified it and a few of us have been reminding everyone about it for a few weeks now. But people are so ready to blame someone, to disregard the manager that changed us a lot this season. We weren't lucky winners (or losers) through the competitions we played. We reached UCL semifinal deservingly getting passed Gala and PSG and we lost deservingly too when a team was better than us.

We won the double of the two possible EPL champions and we played better than them in half those matches. we were competitive against the other 'big sides', but our inability to break down defenses led us to drop points against smaller sides. That's also a problem Mourinho, Hazard and others addressed and I'm positive they're aware something needs to be done.

Mourinho wanted us to play a more attractive or at least offensive style, we weren't ready for that, he took a couple of steps back and set up in a way we would reach the seasons' objectives that have been broadcast by him since the season started which I mentioned above.

But there's also another thing he's been saying for a long time now and we are entitled to ask for results not only based on his words, but also because it means we gave him time to settle and assess the real situation: he's been saying next season we'll fight for the titles, we'll be favorites, we'll be big horses, etc... Mourinho said that and therefore we can come here this time next season and question him if he doesn't reach it (even then we need to be sober enough to know that sometimes you just lose for a small detail, some races are tight). If we present the same football a year from now, he's failed to his own words. If we still struggle against smaller sides, he's failed his own words too. But if we make progress and become real contenders for EPL and UCL (even if for some tragedy we don't win), then it's mission accomplished and titles will come (I'm positive they'll already come next season).

So he announced to the whole world what were the club's goals this season, when he realized he had to stop the work to move to the style he wanted otherwise those objectives would be jeopardized he again announced to the whole world he was taking a step back (what's the point of continuing the evolution of having a more attractive football if we miss our spot in the UCL and can only be able to show such style in Europa League? Arsenal just didn't miss their UCL spot because Everton chocked hard). And lastly, he's been putting a lot of pressure on himself and in the team admitting and taking the role of protagonist next season. He's saying his team will be one of the top dogs next season. His communication has been clear and fine and I think he's been very fair in the objectives he set for the team this season and the next as those objectives seem coherent,realistic and attainable.

Everything that has to be said is here. Close the damn thread!

[Blue Armour 4,323]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/02/jose-mourinho-chelsea-eden-hazard-not-for-sale

"We had lots of matches, and long periods this season, where we produced excellent football but we weren't the killer profile"

Seriously jose?

Maybe not lots, but regarding the first half of this season he does have a point,..

The first match against Hull which finished only 2-0, the loss against Stoke away and the loss against Everton away....good football, good chances, but lack of composure in front of goal produced disastrous/lackluster results.

[Blue Armour 4,323]

Regarding the youth I replied on the other thread.

Are you actually serious? We were completely utterly shit against Swansea and basically scraped a shitty goal against a TEN man side.

I stated earlier that we played good football in the 1st half against Hull and the 1st 20 mins vs Villa this season.

4-0 AGAINST SPURS!!?!?!? We didn't even create a decent chance all game and scored of 4 of the most comical possible errors in football.

3-1 against United? The 1st goal was ridiculously lucky and the other two were just horrendous defending of set pieces. Then we just parked the bus.

The Arsenal game was alright, even though we were playing against A TEN MAN Arsenal and most of our goals were because of Arsenal's basically allowing us to play though balls splitting their midfield.

Away to Schalke we just parked the bus in the 1st half after scoring of a set piece and then the 2nd half was just easy. Galatasaray were nothing short of horrendous in defence (they lost 4-1 to a 10 man Madrid which was without most of its key players).

Remember our two goals against PSG? The 1st was just a long throw in which we scuffled in and the Ba goal came after our CBs HOOFED the ball into the penalty box at least three times. That's Jose Pulis right there.

I agree though the 1st half against Liverpool was terrific. Incredible stuff, but if anything that proves what Mourinho said was wrong.

Mourinho claimed he had to sacrifice good football for results yet right here we beat Liverpool at home after playing stunning football? Isn't this kinda self-contradictory?

And this is where you've interpreted it wrong...what Mourinho really said was that to marry good football with good results, you need good composure and ability to make the most of the chances the team creates, or else the team would get licked time and again...just Arsenal have against United and Chelsea from 2008-2012 (the current Arsenal can't even create quality chances against these sides). We played against Liverpool that way because we went behind and had no choice. Plus we had a better line-up for that day.

He never said he was going to abandon good football permanently, just to get results

[Blue Armour 4,323]

I'm using your post, but I could have quoted many others.

Mourinho said himself early in December, before the Arsenal game (I don't remember in which post-match conference, I guess against Sunderland in the COC or against Stoke) that he felt like he needed to change the style and go a little more defensive and pragmatic because the team wasn't ready for the kind of football he wanted them to play otherwise it'd jeopardize the goals in the season and he was saying constantly the main goal this season was qualifying to next UCL (as well as qualifying to round of 16 in the UCL, I just don't remember if this specific interview was before or after we confirmed our place in round of 16).

So why are people acting surprised now (don't mean you)?

He said it BEFORE he did it and he justified it and a few of us have been reminding everyone about it for a few weeks now. But people are so ready to blame someone, to disregard the manager that changed us a lot this season. We weren't lucky winners (or losers) through the competitions we played. We reached UCL semifinal deservingly getting passed Gala and PSG and we lost deservingly too when a team was better than us.

We won the double of the two possible EPL champions and we played better than them in half those matches. we were competitive against the other 'big sides', but our inability to break down defenses led us to drop points against smaller sides. That's also a problem Mourinho, Hazard and others addressed and I'm positive they're aware something needs to be done.

Mourinho wanted us to play a more attractive or at least offensive style, we weren't ready for that, he took a couple of steps back and set up in a way we would reach the seasons' objectives that have been broadcast by him since the season started which I mentioned above.

But there's also another thing he's been saying for a long time now and we are entitled to ask for results not only based on his words, but also because it means we gave him time to settle and assess the real situation: he's been saying next season we'll fight for the titles, we'll be favorites, we'll be big horses, etc... Mourinho said that and therefore we can come here this time next season and question him if he doesn't reach it (even then we need to be sober enough to know that sometimes you just lose for a small detail, some races are tight). If we present the same football a year from now, he's failed to his own words. If we still struggle against smaller sides, he's failed his own words too. But if we make progress and become real contenders for EPL and UCL (even if for some tragedy we don't win), then it's mission accomplished and titles will come (I'm positive they'll already come next season).

So he announced to the whole world what were the club's goals this season, when he realized he had to stop the work to move to the style he wanted otherwise those objectives would be jeopardized he again announced to the whole world he was taking a step back (what's the point of continuing the evolution of having a more attractive football if we miss our spot in the UCL and can only be able to show such style in Europa League? Arsenal just didn't miss their UCL spot because Everton chocked hard). And lastly, he's been putting a lot of pressure on himself and in the team admitting and taking the role of protagonist next season. He's saying his team will be one of the top dogs next season. His communication has been clear and fine and I think he's been very fair in the objectives he set for the team this season and the next as those objectives seem coherent,realistic and attainable.

I guess people are forgetting that even AVB had to change his tune after his few months here....too bad he wasn't experienced in setting up his team with anything other than a high-line..

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

What with the FA charge?

[zolayes 14,489]

What with the FA charge?

the FA have charged him with being old ,,, Apparently thats worse than killing football

[Namika 922]

Sack him, we don't play football the right way.

[Stingray 9,441]

Sack him, we don't play football the right way.

I feel like a starving zombie on here ....