The Mourinho Thread

[Essien19 1,415]

Man Utd: Sack Van Gaal and appoint Mourinho says Hartson

Former Arsenal striker John Hartson says Manchester United should sack Louis van Gaal and appoint Jose Mourinho.

United are on their worst run in 17 years and haven't won in six matches, with their latest defeat being a 2-1 home loss to Norwich City.

“I would get rid of him, he’s taken them backwards,” Hartson said of van Gaal.

“’I'd change it now and I’d bring Mourinho in.

“I wouldn’t be giving this man another penny to spend. He’s spent £250million and they’ve gone backwards," he added.

Mourinho is available after being sacked as Chelsea manager earlier in the week

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03cm8v2

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Time for Portugal job?

Will not hurt anyone, including himself

[Tautvix 1,321]

Manchester United is now in Europa League. It's really hard for someone like Mourinho who won the CL twice and experienced the semi-final 6 times to coach them in Europa League.

Well. We will not (most likely) even be in Europa League next season so why coaches like Guardiola or Simeone come to us then???

[edetarod 2,155]

and i thought Star Wars had the biggest cult following

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Well. We will not (most likely) even be in Europa League next season so why coaches like Guardiola or Simeone come to us then???

Being in Europa League is worse than being out of Europe for a season. An off year would give the new manager time to adjust himself to the league/cups with right amount of rest inbetween for the players. The bigger question is attracting and keeping hold of quality players. Players' careers are relatively short, managers can afford to spend a year or two on building something. Like I said, getting in the right players while not playing in the CL is the hard part.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Mourinho has turned down Roma and is in talks with Manchester United. (Sky Italia)

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

[Henrique 9,133]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

[Ossie the King 634]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

He's a proven winner so why wouldn't they? He'd give them a good shot at winning the league wouldn't he?

[Henrique 9,133]

To be honest I still can't believe before the season started, almost every pundit said Chelsea had the strongest squad, and Mourinho would win the League again.

Actually now that Jose is gone I realized he left a broken squad to his successor. I mean, most of his rejects are doing fine around, while somehow he went after Barcelona's rejects. I can't accept players like Fabregas and Pedro were not good enought to start games for Barcelona but arrived at Chelsea as essential players.

It really makes me angry that Mourinho's is such a manipulator, that untill months ago everyone were sayin he was a fucking market genius for getting Fabregas and Costa using the money the club got for selling Mata, Luiz, KDB and Lukaku. Dont you think its pretty funny the same people who were praising those signings are the same people saying Costa and Fabregas are rats? Jose only got himself to blame here, just like Jose only got himself to blame for watching Lukaku scoring for fun for Everton, while his side were strugling to with Torres, Ba and Etoo, and he only got himself to blame for selling Luiz and favoring the mediocre Cahill, instead of teaching the mad man tactical discipline, he only got himself to blame for selling Mata and calling Oscar his number 10 but turning him into a pretty mediocre player.

Mourinho won PL last season, if you want to give him all the credit, but he destroyed the team in the process.

[Henrique 9,133]

He's a proven winner so why wouldn't they? He'd give them a good shot at winning the league wouldn't he?

Yes, while playing mediocre football in Europe and facing relegation zone in his 3rd season in charge.

[Ossie the King 634]

To be honest I still can't believe before the season started, almost every pundit said Chelsea had the strongest squad, and Mourinho would win the League again.

Actually now that Jose is gone I realized he left a broken squad to his successor. I mean, most of his rejects are doing fine around, while somehow he went after Barcelona's rejects. I can't accept players like Fabregas and Pedro were not good enought to start games for Barcelona but arrived at Chelsea as essential players.

It really makes me angry that Mourinho's is such a manipulator, that untill months ago everyone were sayin he was a fucking market genius for getting Fabregas and Costa using the money the club got for selling Mata, Luiz, KDB and Lukaku. Dont you think its pretty funny the same people who were praising those signings are the same people saying Costa and Fabregas are rats? Jose only got himself to blame here, just like Jose only got himself to blame for watching Lukaku scoring for fun for Everton, while his side were strugling to with Torres, Ba and Etoo, and he only got himself to blame for selling Luiz and favoring the mediocre Cahill, instead of teaching the mad man tactical discipline, he only got himself to blame for selling Mata and calling Oscar his number 10 but turning him into a pretty mediocre player.

Mourinho won PL last season, if you want to give him all the credit, but he destroyed the team in the process.

He built a good team last season and it needed further investment in the summer. He took players who either didn't fit his style or weren't willing or able to adapt or wait, and built a solid starting XI capable of different styles of football. He didn't get the balance right all the time but there was a foundation there.

Then what happened this summer? Through a combination of inept transfer dealings and lack of ambition, the board stood still. Whilst city improved, we fiddled and ultimately fell behind.

Jose is not perfect. No one is. But he knew what he wanted to improve the team and it wasn't given to him. That contributed to this season, as did some of Joses actions. But we'll never know what might've been.

And if he goes to United I reckon they'll finish above us in at least 2 of his first 3 years. That's why their fans would want him.

[Amblève. 4,995]

It cuts both ways. Others are absolving our seemingly petulant millionaires for their utterly inept performances because they didn't like their boss. Boohoo, it's not one's right to have a boss you like and no one manager is going to please every player he works with.

Love him or loathe him, there should be a minimum level of commitment displayed by these highly valued professionals week in, week out. Even if every single player in this squad hated José's guts there was absolutely no excuse for a team with our talent to be in the position we are in. In Mourinho's final season at Madrid, the one everybody loves to point to as evidence of his "third season syndrome", he finished what, second?

Express your opinions on his tactics or whatever else, but if folks are honestly going to let our squad off the hook with the shit we've seen this season because of big bad José then I'm really lost for words.

Your whole point builds on simply believing that the players played badly on purpose, though. For which, as it currently stands, nobody has proof. We're talking about human beings who have shown and proven their integrity to their job for years, some of which we have seen playing weekly.

And that's where some people see resemblances to a cult. If you think the players quit on Mourinho it's your choice. But that choice is an emotional one rather than a rational one based on facts and proof.

[Chelsea? 892]

I am sorry but that was absolutely not full backing, they backed him October and sacked him in December. Maybe compared to other former sacked managers, he got 1-2 months longer, that's nothing considering how much he means for the fans and how much he's won for us. Can you imagine Barcelona sacking Pep if he was in the same position as Jose was? For the work Jose has done for Chelsea, he at least deserved the full season and not 4 months.

They obviously let him down and didn't back him in the summer when he requested new signings, they could've backed him in January to give him the signings he wanted in the summer, but they haven't. We are qualified in the last 16 as group leaders, if that's not a sign of improvement then I don't know what is. And before you say he spend a lot: the title was won by Chelsea with a negative net spend (profit) plus in the January window in 2015 it was only a replacement for Schurrle because he wanted to leave. Yes Jose needs signings to get the best out of himself and the team, but you're also guaranteed trophies if you let him do that.

he played a type of football the board didn't wanna see but they stuck with him. he requested Falcao, Pedro and Stones. He got 2/3. he's brought us 1 real trophy in 3 years. that's a failure. I understand how some fans feel about him, but I just can't stand his ego and style of play. I was for him staying even though I cant stand his style of play simply cause I wanted consistancy. but no one is to blame but Jose. You can't expect Hazard to have your back when you didn't even seem to care about his health 2 months ago

[stroey 2,525]

he played a type of football the board didn't wanna see but they stuck with him. he requested Falcao, Pedro and Stones. He got 2/3. he's brought us 1 real trophy in 3 years. that's a failure. I understand how some fans feel about him, but I just can't stand his ego and style of play. I was for him staying even though I cant stand his style of play simply cause I wanted consistancy. but no one is to blame but Jose. You can't expect Hazard to have your back when you didn't even seem to care about his health 2 months ago

He played a football they didn't want but they stuck with him - for how long? 2 months? thanks. If you don't want pragmatic football, then don't hire Jose but if you've hired him then back him.

Falcao, Pedro, Stones? No he wanted a midfielder and a defender, the reported names were Marquinhos/Stones and Pogba, Pat Nevin said 6 players so probably there are also names that were under the radar.

[OneMoSalah 9,124]

Sacking him was the right thing to do, he has absolutely destroyed moral in the dressing room, it was so obvious to see. You cant do that and expect to remain in the job, no matter who you are even if you are Jose Mourinho, the most successful manager in the clubs history or a rookie.

I've seen several tweets from fans complaining about the antics of Costa, Matic, Hazard and Fabregas in particular and talk of player power again but Mourinho caused all the problems. Hes always seemed to push at Hazard a lot and it worked in the first two seasons and improved him but he has a tendency where he eventually manages to fracture relationships with high profile players, I mean look at what happened with Ronaldo, Ramos, Pepe and Casillas at Real Madrid in his last year. Its more than evident that has happened here with guys like Eden, Costa, JT, Ivanovic all for different reasons.

Its no coincidence that we looked 10000 times better in 45 minutes yesterday than we have in about 4 months under Mourinho.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

'I go back to the last time when Jose was muted to be going there and Bobby Charlton came out and said “no way”. I know Fergie [sir Alex Ferguson] is a fan, how big a fan we don’t really know.

The reasons that Bobby Charlton gave a few years ago will still be there today.'

Bobby things that Jose can bring some trophies to united in the near future, but he's not the right solution for a longer period.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

You know United is broken into little pieces when almost half of their fans would accept Mourinho as the new manager.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/page-24

They're naive and desperate. They still think the Mourinho that won the treble with Inter or the Mourinho of 2005 Chelsea is the same Mourinho of today. And they have no real clue as to his arrogance and appalling behaviour and how damaging that is to the clubs he manages. God knows the amount of chaos he'll cause if he ever went there.

Right now, Mourinho doesn't deserve such a big job as the United job. What he needs now is some long overdue humility. But if their board are as foolish and short-sited as their fans, then hey, go for it.

[Ossie the King 634]

They're naive and desperate. They still think the Mourinho that won the treble with Inter or the Mourinho of 2005 Chelsea is the same Mourinho of today. And they have no real clue as to his arrogance and appalling behaviour and how damaging that is to the clubs he manages. God knows the amount of chaos he'll cause if he ever went there.

Right now, Mourinho doesn't deserve such a big job as the United job. What he needs now is some long overdue humility. But if their board are as foolish and short-sited as their fans, then hey, go for it.

So they wouldn't win the league under his tenure? Their brand isn't bulletproof and they need success. They need the league. Hiring Jose would give them a better chance wouldn't it?

[Rom2013 446]

Mourinho is going to be the next Manchester United coach. At the end Mourinho wins again...

Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester City:

2015/2016 (-95M)

2014/2015 (-55M)

2013/2014 (-73M)

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Total (-223)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Manchester United:

2015/2016 (-27M)

2014/2015 (-101M)

2013/2014 (-73M)

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Total (-181)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Arsenal:

2015/2016 (-10M)

2014/2015 (-62M)

2013/2014 (-28M)

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Total (-100)

Net spending in the last 3 years for Chelsea:

2015/2016 (-21M)

2014/2015 (+6M)

2013/2014 (-37M)

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Total (-52)

Yes, Mourinho spent 4 times less money than Manchester City and Manchester United in the last 3 years. Now Mourinho will have money to spend, will coach the second or third richest club in the world, will have a decent stadium...

When do you think CHelsea will win a big title again?