The Mourinho Thread

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Indeed. Mourinho is a manager that needs non-football challenges to thrive, that is the challenge to 'finally beat this or that'. At Chelsea the first time, he had the challenge to make the 'new-rich' club to win the league and to make it one of the best club in Europe. Once it was made, the 'motivation' game no longer worked. At Inter, he had the challenge to finally make Inter win in CL (after Mancini disappointing runs) and to be the team to beat Pep' Barcelona in CL. Once it was done, he flew in search of a new challenge. At Madrid, he had the challenge to be the one to put an end to Pep's Barça. Once Pep was no longer there, there was no thing to be motivated for/against. At Chelsea, he had the challenge to make the 'little horse' win against Manchester City*. Once Chelsea is no longer the little horse, it collapses. So yeah, the defy left for Chelsea is to win with style—but 'style' is not in his vocab. When you are the Champion, it is rather hard to act as the under-dog and to be motivated to beat the mighty Stoke. At one point, motivation is not enough to win, you need to add tactic and technic (and enjoyment).

But yeah, he certainly would be a great fit for the United job. As you said, they are the perfect match. He would even be able to sell Mata a second time.

*this point is worth to open a new discussion. One might argue that he actually made Chelsea wear the 'little horse' dress on purpose (consciously or unconsciously) in order to create a challenge for which he could get the best individually of his players—and in the process, hindering us to develop further (that season) either by trying to win directly or by developing our play (because had we been better with the ball, we would not have been the 'little horse').

utter mindfuck and brilliant, kudos.

[Fernando 6,743]

Mourinho on players: "Some of them need to rethink how the way they live Chelsea, they live football, they live their job." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

Mourinho: Chelsea is big, football is more than a job, it's a passion. Every match on the pitch you should live with an unbelievable passion

Mourinho on #CFC players: How many millions would love to be football players & they can't be? You shouldn't waste any minutes on the pitch.

Mourinho: "Yes, I feel frustrated with some players and I feel that some others they give absolutely everything." #CFC (ChelseaTV)

Well drop them and play the youth. Can't be any worse then people who don't try.

[zolayes 14,489]

Well drop them and play the youth. Can't be any worse then people who don't try.

but the young ponies arent ready .. they need much more time on the bench first ,

[Rhino's Skin 972]

but the young ponies arent ready .. they need much more time on the bench first ,

Thought they needed to have "Holland" stamped in their passports first

[Last Sicarius 610]

Again? lol :v

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Ageist. Banned.

I see how it is Jay..

[zolayes 14,489]

Remember what I said earlier today that United fans don't want Mourinho?

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/

Yeah they don't want him. As I said, he does the complete opposite of what United wants.

thanks an interesting insight

[Pizy 19,375]

Remember what I said earlier today that United fans don't want Mourinho?

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/

Yeah they don't want him. As I said, he does the complete opposite of what United wants.

Those same people bitching about not wanting him will be the same ones swooning and creaming themselves when he does his unveiling press conference and puts on the charm offensive.

He'll say all the right things in an arrogant and confident way that he always does and they'll all melt.

"This is a massive, massive club. The biggest and most famous club in the world. This is the club I've always wanted to manage and I want to be here for the rest of my career." All of the United ball suckers in the media who dislike him will suddenly bend their knees and slurp him uncontrollably.

My personal football nightmare is to see Mourinho at the helm of that club. The INSANE media coverage alone would be unbearable.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

I don't think the fans wanting him would matter.agree they'd deal n probably be happy if did go there especially if results changed.

Those planes/banners are so daft!what do they think it's gana achieve just a huge waste of money

[stroey 2,525]

If Chelsea find 'right replacement' Mourinho is gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03c9cnw

[oldportblue 547]

If Chelsea find 'right replacement' Mourinho is gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03c9cnw

horrible news if true... half the team need to be sacked instead

[Last Sicarius 610]

If Chelsea find 'right replacement' Mourinho is gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03c9cnw

Hope never die, bring Carlo back!

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Mourinho would get United a title in year two and then he'd create a toxic atmosphere for year 3. He lacks the ability to plan and build for the long term.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

If Chelsea find 'right replacement' Mourinho is gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03c9cnw

That's good news as I don't see any quality replacements who are unemployed

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Remember what I said earlier today that United fans don't want Mourinho?

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-added-would-you-want-jose-mourinho-as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/

Yeah they don't want him. As I said, he does the complete opposite of what United wants.

One of their members described Mourinho perfectly, imo.

"He is pretty much the perfect man to get the job done i.e: get you a medal. He is the equivalent of a hitman really. Logic suggests therefore that if you need a trophy in the here and now, he is your number 1 candidate above pretty much everyone else. He is more proven than Pep and makes Ancelotti look like a newbie in the art of winning trophies and one bad season is not going to change that. The catch though is you have to abandon any notion of a style with him and by style I don't mean entertaining or attacking football or whatever. I simply mean an idea, a foundation that can be called upon for long term success which is again a bit like a hitman, he would come in, do the job with whatever means necessary and get it done."

[Muzchap 8,966]

This post by a dude called Theonas (1St post, page 5) sums Mou up perfectly:

He is pretty much the perfect man to get the job done i.e: get you a medal. He is the equivalent of a hitman really. Logic suggests therefore that if you need a trophy in the here and now, he is your number 1 candidate above pretty much everyone else.

He is more proven than Pep and makes Ancelotti look like a newbie in the art of winning trophies and one bad season is not going to change that. The catch though is you have to abandon any notion of a style with him and by style I don't mean entertaining or attacking football or whatever. I simply mean an idea, a foundation that can be called upon for long term success which is again a bit like a hitman, he would come in, do the job with whatever means necessary and get it done.

The question is therefore is are we desperate like that for a trophy, For me, it is a definite no! 2 years (very likely 3) without a trophy is nothing in the big scheme of things. Barcelona went 5 trophyless years, Juventus were in the second division and we ourselves went 3 years without a league title under Fergie and all those sides came back from that. So I think we still can afford more time in the hope of building and working on more long term views. This obviously has a limit and if it continues like this, there will be a point when going further trophyless will in fact jeopardize our status and finances like what happened to Liverpool at a certain point and to a lesser degree Arsenal. If it gets to that, Mourinho is ahead of everyone to save us. If not, he really offers nothing else and therefore should be as far away from the list of candidates as possible.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

This post by a dude called Theonas (1St post, page 5) sums Mou up perfectly:

He is pretty much the perfect man to get the job done i.e: get you a medal. He is the equivalent of a hitman really. Logic suggests therefore that if you need a trophy in the here and now, he is your number 1 candidate above pretty much everyone else.

He is more proven than Pep and makes Ancelotti look like a newbie in the art of winning trophies and one bad season is not going to change that. The catch though is you have to abandon any notion of a style with him and by style I don't mean entertaining or attacking football or whatever. I simply mean an idea, a foundation that can be called upon for long term success which is again a bit like a hitman, he would come in, do the job with whatever means necessary and get it done.

The question is therefore is are we desperate like that for a trophy, For me, it is a definite no! 2 years (very likely 3) without a trophy is nothing in the big scheme of things. Barcelona went 5 trophyless years, Juventus were in the second division and we ourselves went 3 years without a league title under Fergie and all those sides came back from that. So I think we still can afford more time in the hope of building and working on more long term views. This obviously has a limit and if it continues like this, there will be a point when going further trophyless will in fact jeopardize our status and finances like what happened to Liverpool at a certain point and to a lesser degree Arsenal. If it gets to that, Mourinho is ahead of everyone to save us. If not, he really offers nothing else and therefore should be as far away from the list of candidates as possible.

Hey, hey get your own Man united fan quotes. I've got dibs on this one.

[Peace. 4,352]

Do some people realize how low and trivial the level of the debates is ? It is only about :

• 'Mourinho is 'chels' more than the players' ; 'the players betrayed him' ; 'they are not leaders' ; 'They are not at their best' ; 'they are underperforming' ; 'they should re-think the way they live' 'they are mercenaries and they do not care for the club' ; 'player power' ; and so on...

It could be summed-up like this :

• we are poor because players are poor ; players are poor because they are not good ; players are not good because they betray Mourinho ; they betray Mourinho because they do not care ; they do not care because they are not 'one of us' ; they are not 'one of us' because they are mercenaries.

That's it, the cipher is complete. But what about football ??? It is a romantic and sentimental way to see the situation, yet we are a football club not 'The Young and the Restless'. Our problem is foremost a problem of football, not of passion. I do not think that anyone on here believes that, for example, Manchester City players are firm fans of the club since childhood and that they only live by and for Manchester City. That's not true. They are a bunch of mercenaries, that is, professional footballers. They are better than us because on the one hand their players are better on the ball than us, and on the other hand, because their manager create tacticts to capitalize upon their better skill with the ball.

We are bad because of football problems. We cannot string two passes together to save our lives, we don't have offensive tactic ('pass the ball to Hazard and see what happens' is not a tactic) , we do not have pattern, we do not have any sharpness, we cannot control the midfield with 6 midfielders and our players are not Messis and create instants of magic. Eventually, we play a very bad football. I do think that a lot of our players are bad (I most likely rate our squad less than a lot of you), bad there are many teams out there that have worse players than us and yet they play a better football than us.

If we (especially the board and Mourinho) are unable to think the problem beyond the basic instinct of 'passion', then we are not out of it. If we do not start thinking with football facts and analysis, we will stay in this dire situation.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Hey, hey get your own Man united fan quotes. I've got dibs on this one.

Haha fucks sake - took ages to copy and paste on my phone - kept fucking up ?

Yea it's such a good quote it needs saying twice

Also at least I referenced the quote correctly :p

[zolayes 14,489]

they might be manure fans but their posts have logic .. I doubt if many clubs would want him now , Im sure no one would get him to build a Dynasty .

notice their current manager even gives young players a chance as Klopp is doing ..