The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

We're now just 2 points above the relegation zone...

We could be in the bottom 3 by the time we kick off at Leicester. #JoseOUT

[The Chels 2,502]

Ask any Valencia fan and they will tell you the number of times Emery has fucked the Copa del Rey competition when he had one of the best squads in Spain or how often he makes brainfart decisions for/in matches (which still tend to happen these days). From what I've seen and heard/read, I'm not sure if Emery has that winning mentality to succeed at the highest level.

Yep, a good manager but good enough for Chelsea? I don't think so. I suppose it depends on our expectations: are we content with a title and league cup every 2-3 years or do we want to aim to be among the European elite again? In case of the latter, then as we are pretty damn far from having the best squad, we'd have to have one of the best managers to make the collective truly greater than the sum of the individual parts (something we were expecting from Mourinho). Now that Klopp is at Liverpool and it looks like Guardiola will probably end up at City, I think Simeone is the one who best fits the bill but would he leave Atleti? Sampaoli would be an interesting choice as well but there really aren't many candidates who the fans could have genuine faith in, probably one of the biggest reasons the board and many fans are still hoping for what looks like an increasingly unlikely Mourinho revival.

And four points behind West Brom....

We could be in the bottom 3 by the time we kick off at Leicester. #JoseOUT

It really is a collapse of the highest order.

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

What an absolute mess this is eh?

I've given myself a little more time to compose myself after yesterdays result but I think if it wasn't for the Porto game on Wednesday night he would be gone and rightly so. It's not only the results that have upset me this season.

- His pig headedness and lunacy at keeping playing Cesc and Ivanovic in particular baffle me. What does Jose see that everyone else doesn't? It's similar to the Oscar scenario, I was a huge Juan Mata guy, was genuinely upset when he was sold to Manchester United and I still watch him with admiration even in that horrid red shirt. I think it's Mourinho's arrogance that worries me the most, he clearly believes he is right about the players he's playing and that pundits and fans don't know what they are talking about. Case and point last nights coverage, Alan Pardew before the game while doing good analysis said his team when they came to Stamford Bridge, singled out Ivanovic and got joy. He says that on tv, everyone agrees but one man. Jose Mourinho. I swear sometimes it feels like he looks down on the fans opinions with his persistent picking of these players.

- His post-match press conferences. They irritate me beyond belief. I was walking the dogs with another football fan today and he summed it up quite perfectly when he said, 'Mourinho's press conferences used to be must-see because he was entertaining, now I feel like I can't take any more of his moaning'.That is what I am fed up with. He should have given Bournemouth credit yesterday, he didn't, I knew he wouldn't. Instead he whined and complained. Sick of it.

- He has to go. It upsets me greatly to say this but my dad was one of the very few people who said when he was appointed 'I've got a bad feeling about this'. And he was right, yes yes we won the title and the league cup last season but when I reflect upon it, especially the second half of the season, did I enjoy it? did I feel too much pride in our performances in particular after the Bradford/ Spurs shambles. Not really. This has been coming since then,. the only difference being is that this time while we are playing poorly, we don't have a title on the horizon, we have a relegation fight to stay out of. It's depressing.

Time to go mate. I am exhausted and tired exclaiming all the same issues week on week only for them to be ignored by the supposed special one. I am not a Jose hater by any means, and I love what he's done for the club overall, but it's time. Getting out of a mediocre group in the champions league shouldn't save him, we shouldn't have taken it down to the last game.

You know what I'm worried about the most? is the fans doing another show of support on Wednesday night like they did against Kiev because let's face it, right now, Jose doesn't deserve it. Harsh but that's how I feel.

Now I'm gonna go and watch some X-files and chill out. This season has got me wound up.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

We could be in the bottom 3 by the time we kick off at Leicester. #JoseOUT

Norwich v Everton

Man C v Swansea

Sunderland v Watford

Bournemouth v Man United

Aston Villa v Arsenal

Fuck me it's worrying when you can't even rely on City, United or Arsenal to do us a favour..

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Norwich v Everton

Man C v Swansea

Sunderland v Watford

Bournemouth v Man United

Aston Villa v Arsenal

Fuck me it's worrying when you can't even rely on City, United or Arsenal to do us a favour..

Villa cant catch us and Sunderland unless go goal crazy cant either..yay silver lining lol

[lucio 5,418]

Ask any Valencia fan and they will tell you the number of times Emery has fucked the Copa del Rey competition when he had one of the best squads in Spain or how often he makes brainfart decisions for/in matches (which still tend to happen these days). From what I've seen and heard/read, I'm not sure if Emery has that winning mentality to succeed at the highest level.

back to back europa's though. and he was like 36, when he took over at valencia.

i remember the copa del rey mistakes, losing 4-3 to depo, but his teams were very exciting to watch, and he is a tactician. think he'd do well

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

We can forget the CL

We don't have that spirit from when AVB was sacked and Robbie cane in.

Can you imagine what Barcelona or Bayern would do to us?

I'm just hoping we add to the squad in Jan

[-Kaplan- 410]

Someone get "Big Mick" McCarthy in!

[didierforever 7,349]

To have reached one of your minimum targets could release pressure from the players, it's also good to have another competition to focus on where they are at least doing okay. I believe this could boost their performances in December. I agree RLC and Remy deserve starts though.

i dont think cesc and oscar being unable to pass under pressure or ivanovic unable to put in a decent cross has ANYTHING at all to do with "pressure". winning (by some miracle) against porto, is not magically going to improve them as players.

and winning against porto, is not magically going to make jose a "just" meritocracy following manager. even if he puts in the most deserved team of

tibo

azpi zouma gc baba

matic rlc

pedro willian hazard

remy

and even if we beat porto 3-0, i can bet both of my balls that iva and cesc will still start against leicester.

and we will again lose and be embarassed.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

TOP 4 is mission impossible now. Even Alex Ferguson as interim manager can't guarantee it. So the best thing would be to search for a new manager and hire him as soon as possible, then give him the rest of the season to assess the squad and implement a different playing style without setting any huge goals and putting pressure on him. Personally I'd recall a few youth players from loan and play them in the league. Try to win the FA cup at least and have a give us fans a little something to be happy about.

Hopefully we don't relegated in the meantime with Mourinho.

[BXL70 396]

There is no point of sacking José. It is too late. Forget the top 4 and the CL. Our main objective now it to avoid relegation.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Someone get "Big Mick" McCarthy in!

Did someone say Mick McCarthy?

[DYC. 7,542]

TOP 4 is mission impossible now. Even Alex Ferguson as interim manager can't guarantee it. So the best thing would be to search for a new manager and hire him as soon as possible, then give him the rest of the season to access the squad and implement a different playing style without setting any huge goals and putting pressure on him. Personally I'd recall a few youth players from loan and play them in the league. Try to win the FA cup at least and have a give us fans a little something to be happy about.

Hopefully we don't relegated in the meantime with Mourinho.

Good point. You bring in a manager in the summer and he'll need at least that summer to assess the quality of the squad and areas in need of strengthening. You find a manager in the coming weeks and he can already set targets for the summer.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Paul Clement anyone?

[Styles 9,790]

Good point. You bring in a manager in the summer and he'll need at least that summer, most likely longer, to asses the quality of the squad and areas in need of strengthening. You find a manager in the coming weeks and he can already set targets for the summer.

Looks like they're giving Mourinho the season to assess.

Expect more tall players in the summer.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Since Roman took over, we have only been an attacking team for few stretches of a season before it starts to wane.

Mourinho's first spell when he had a fully fit Robben/Duff and Joe Cole with Drogs/Eidur up front. This only lasted until 2006/2007 after which we sold Robben and brought in Malouda. Under Scolari we were briefly attacking again and we put in some great matches up until December where we lost the plot in the dressing room. I wouldn't consider us an attacking under Hiddink (we were moderate and effective) and under AVB we were clueless most of the time. Amcelotti's first season was great (probably the closest we've come to a whole season of attacking football) but his second was really frustrating.

Robbie came in after AVB and swept up the defense clean which helped us win the FA Cup and the Holy Grail. Robbie's second season was unfortunate, he started brightly then a freak result against United and a certain Clattenbug undid us and we never recovered under him until he was sacked. Under Rafa, we were inconsistent, attacking against the minnows but we played defensively against the teams better than us.

Mourinho's first season was a mixed bag, great counter-attacking against the big teams but we were similar to what we are now (but better defensively) against the so-called minnows.

Last season up until January was great football, then the Spurs result happened and we haven't played half as good since.

Just to sum things up, there's no coach in the world that can provide results with attacking football for a whole season. If we get someone like Pep, we'll be entertainment initially but his lack of pragmatism will bite us hard in some games (and important ones).

Mourinho's time is nearly up I'm afraid but I don't see any other coach doing better in terms of getting both success and how we want the club to play.

Agreed, the sad truth is there's probably no perfect coach for the brand of football everyone hopes to play at a consistent level.

We can definitely do a lot better than we are doing right now, but even someone like Klopp cannot maintain the level of consistency needed in this league. Liverpool are play absolutely scintillating stuff in some games, and still come undone in others such as against Crystal Palace and Newcastle (granted they are missing their best player in Coutinho atm.)

[Essien19 1,415]

Yeah, let's forget about the good old days, you know, when our team actually understood the meaning of "scoring goals" and "having fun"

Let's forget that zero stability gave us the Champions League trophy.

Without Mourinho we had zero say in the league, for some fans being the top dog in England is priority number one.

Yes, that's speculative and down to everyone's personal feelings, but more and more i feel the same, because it's been played week in and week out.

Scoring some goals but when things get tough, losing, it's the Arsenal or Yids way, not the Chelsea way.

Recently i read that good ol' monobrow demanded how the line-up had to be carried out, for me, Di Matteo was just the mascott, but at that time, it was important, only short-term.

Stability can mean a lot of things, you're right, winning trophies didn't stop, but in my point of view, the team regressed more and more, we never ever were that good again since under Jose's first spell.

I like having a top man like Jose Mourinho in my house, who actually likes it here, yes, very bad season, but it won't be infinite.

We'll see how it goes, but i really don't think that Abramovich is going to fire him (yet), a lot more has to happen.

I think Jose Mourinho isn't that aggressive with the referees anymore, so the image isn't that dark anymore.

midfield is not upto it cos we have 2 players playing who cant pass the ball, defence has been exposed and attack is non-existent. so what exactly is jose doing? its been 3 months. 3 months of relegation form.

sorry, but these are nothing but excuses. and bad ones at that.

how can baba be match fit when we dont give him the time. also, i remember that baba played on the weekend that we lost to city. hardly an excuse.

and seriously, trying to defend one wrong with another wrong. why does not LVG drop rooney. well, because he earns 300kpw. no other reason.

does jose know his stuff? what was the master stroke behind plaing cesc, oscar and iva AGAIN. is azpi now match unfit? that he just dropped our best defender.

also, please tell me what cesc brings to the team or oscar or iva. where is the promise that if we keep losing he will play the kids. where is the promise that RLC is ready and would get starts. all bloody words with nothing to back up from jose.

i normally really like your posts, and i still respect your opinion. but from the team selection, to the tactics to everything has been absolutely shit. you need to stop defending the indefensible.

in a family, the head of the family should not show undue favouritism to some people. he should make some family members sleep out in the cold (RLC, remy, azpi) while having some of the worst behaved members take all the money and do whatever they like with it.

Jose Mourinho has to take some of the blame, but can you held him solely responsible for this shit?

Where are the backups? Ramires scored a screamer against Newcastle, most people praised him highly, but then they turned on him, again.

He is very inconsistent and a frustrating player to watch, but would Loftus-Cheek really be the revelation during these desperate times?

You never know, when you don't try, but i can understand Mourinho, the boy is just 19.

Every game most of the Chelsea fans believe, yes, we can do it, but playing the experienced -instead of the completely new ones isn't that surprising for me.

I think Fabregas isn't that far away from the truth, when he said that confidence goes down the drain after losing and losing and losing.

How can you recover from that? It's possible, but step by step.

Maybe you disagree, but i can see improvements in style of play.

In my point of view, the team creates more and more chances, but no one is able to finish them off, history repeats itself, it's so 2013, imo.

Ok, maybe Remy should have played more, but for me, that's not grounds for dismissal.

It's not good enough what Mourinho has been doing for three months, that's clear.

Baba has upped his game in training, Jose said that he wasn't ready, but now he's playing. So there are some changes, or not?

Maybe Rooney is playing because of his huge salary, but why can't you say the same for Fabregas and so on? (well-earning, imo).

I don't agree with that, i think overall they had their importance, but it will change, the youngsters are getting better and better, their time will come, very soon.

Jose Mourinho said that he will field the kids, but only if there isn't any major trophy to play for, but mathematically it's still possible,

so you can't slack him for that, can you?

Mourinho praised Loftus-Cheek highly, but he doesn't get a free pass, he has to impress in training, but it seems, he's too lazy, and he needs to work more

on his positioning, wasn't too impressed by his performances so far. A youngster has to give his all, sorry, but i haven't seen that.

I don't know about Azpi's fitness, you either.

But Azpi played a lot of matches, so i don't have a problem with some precautions, we will need him a lot in this season, i agree with you, he's our best man in the defense. Can't lose him!

In Sports you have to handle the big players or so-called stars, some managers can't handle them properly.

I think Mourinho is up for it, he showed it multiple times all other the world.

If the stars don't improve till the end of the season, there will be some changes, at least the reserve team is open for new players.

Mourinho and the club can be ruthless, but now we have to grind out results, for me it's not the right time for it.

Ivanovic played some shit games, but till the last game, he has raised his level, imo, but before the goal from Bournemouth, he should have made the clearance.

That's on him! My old man himself wondered what Ivanovic was doing.

Oscar and Fabregas aren't up for it, but it seems that i'm not the only who thinks that dropping them wouldn't have helped the team a lot, because Abramovbich is a businessman and if he didn't agree with that, Mourinho would have already lost his job.

Personally speaking, i think you made some valid points, but one can see it differently, i think.

We're going a bit in circles, so i get that you're a bit frustrated, but we have two strong separate points of view.

I do respect your opinion, i remember that you defended Mourinho for some time this season, but then you decided to give him a deadline and since you changed your thoughts.

I have seen a lot of coaches over the time, but no one brought ever that joy to Chelsea than Mourinho before, imo, so maybe i'm a bit sentimental.

But i stand by Mourinho, sometimes i disagree, but he's always putting his head out for Chelsea so it's time to do something for him.

It's easy to get carried away, look at the ~1,4 mio. pounds for Vardy and Mahrez and demand a change, but i can't see anything good come out ,imo.

[DYC. 7,542]

Looks like they're giving Mourinho the season to assess.

Expect more tall players in the summer.

Sign two midgets in January, Mourinho resigns immediately, no pay off, problem solved.

[robsblubot 3,595]

TOP 4 is mission impossible now. Even Alex Ferguson as interim manager can't guarantee it. So the best thing would be to search for a new manager and hire him as soon as possible, then give him the rest of the season to access the squad and implement a different playing style without setting any huge goals and putting pressure on him. Personally I'd recall a few youth players from loan and play them in the league. Try to win the FA cup at least and have a give us fans a little something to be happy about.

Hopefully we don't relegated in the meantime with Mourinho.

good point, but I look at the squad and suspect the lack of strength in depth isn't entirely on Jose. I think there a few coaches and scouts there who have certain old-school preferences which also define the way we play. It hasn't really begun with Jose...

For example, I don't think a manager can drastically change the way we play - not without drastic changes in the squad.

BTW, I am extremely disappointed by his starting lineup against Bournemouth. Is it really surprising we lacked finishing when we start no striker against a bottom 3 side @ the bridge?!

If he is unhappy with Costa's performance and/or attitude, then start Remy. If Remy isn't good enough to start against a very poor side then he should not be on the roster!

I simply do not understand the reason we have certain senior players on the squad considering that they are seldom used.

[jernej93 569]