The Mourinho Thread

[Rmpr 8,977]

Domestic titles attract only plastics and local losers. CL is the most important competition for football clubs.

Honestly, I think its the contrary. Donestic titles usually attract real fans of the league while UCL only attract around the world gloryhunters...

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Domestic titles attract only plastics and local losers. CL is the most important competition for football clubs.

Actually as far as attracting the so called 'plastics' ....its most probably the CL that does that as that has a bigger audience.

Fail to see your point about calling supporters ' local losers'

[11Drogba 2,000]

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Donestic titles usually attract real fans of the league

You mean the "real" fans of United from London and other cities because Ferguson won CL two times in 26 years, or the recent "real" fans of City and PSG?

[Rmpr 8,977]

You mean the "real" fans of United from London and other cities because Ferguson won CL two times in 26 years, or the recent "real" fans of City and PSG?

Thats a really stupid comparison, sorry.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Thats a really stupid comparison, sorry.

Why do you think plastic fans of United, PSG and City became fans of those clubs? Domestic success or CL success?

[lucio 5,418]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

we did well vs city away, arsenal , psg at home 13/14. but he doesn't seem able to replicate that anymore

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

For point three, I don't give a shit as long as we get the result. I'd rather play shit at Anfield and scrape a 1-1, than play nicey nicey football and get beaten.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Fans here saying winning CL is like a bonus comparing it to the FA Cup and COC. Just LOL. (This is not aimed at you Rhino's Skin)

Again, using your mouth isn't proof. I can easily say I've been to the Bridge too and asked. No proof. (But I have been to the Bridge 6 times though just didn't ask anyone). I want solid evidence.

Okay okay. MAYBE (and I said maybe) the fans think PL is better to win. But for the club, the managers and the players, the CL is THE dream trophy.

Let's start off with your favourite and our current manager, Jose Mourinho. How did Chelsea or us fans even got to know about Mourinho? Why is Mourinho classed as one of the TOP managers in the world? How did he make his name? Is it by winning the Portugal league? Serie A? LOL no. It's because he showed the world that he won the Champions League with Porto. That's what made him special, and that's why Chelsea were looking at him for replacement. Not only that, he won other CLs with other teams making him more popular around the world.

Another one, Carlo Ancelotti. Now according to fans here, people think Ancelotti's not a good manager. His league records are terrible. YET still popular among fans and clubs all across Europe. He even somehow had a job in Real Madrid. How? Because of his CV winning Champions Leagues! Not because of his Serie A title!

Steven Gerrard, I get it yes. He is ridiculed and of course very disappointed he will never hold that PL trophy because it's a fantastic trophy to get for the club, who hasn't won it in over 20 years. But at LEAST he led Liverpool to a CL, gave a game that will be remembered by millions of fans FOR YEARS around the world. That Liverpool team in Istanbul will be remembered by Liverpool fans forever. As a player, it's a moment he'll never forget in his entire life. It was a dream for him.

Man United and their 1999 CL victory. Another greatest moment in football history. Not just their own history.

Again, do you think Hazard will be a Chelsea player if we didn't win the CL in 2012? I seriously think not. Chelsea has gotten their name out there in 2012 when we won it. Most fans around Europe don't give a shit about the PL. I'm being serious.

It's about recognition. The club gains a lot more popularity by winning the CL, then to win league titles. Barcelona and Real won the CL so many times, that's why they are the best two clubs in the world. Even Liverpool, riding on their history is still known today by others because of their European dominance years ago. Maybe you don't understand how powerful it is to win the CL.

But because of the difficulty and chances of winning it, that's why fans tend to think we should put our efforts in to winning their own league first.

Firstly, meeting and knowing hundreds of supporters before and after matches, how else can I find out views without using my mouth?

Secondly....Where have I said on here Mourinho is my favourite manager???? Infact if you look at my posts I say different to that.

I reckon if you asked the manager of any PL club, their dream would be to win the PL first before worrying about winning a CL. So while the CL is more prestigious....its not the first thought with managers who are at clubs capable of competing for the PL title.

Hazard.....had we also been in top 4 he would have come to us. He chose us over Utd and City not only because of CL qualification, but because of the package put together for him and agents.

Lastly.. so what if other fans around Europe don't give a jot about what happens in the PL?? That's totally irrelevant when we are talking about clubs own supporters whether it Arsenal, Man Utrd, Liverpool etc etc wanting to win the PL.

If our foreign Chelsea supporters don't give a jot about the PL....then I suggest they reserve their comments for Mourinho and Chelsea only when we play European matches

[the wes 7,212]

luis admits mourinho comments can damage players

http://www.football365.com/news/luis-admits-mourinho-comments-can-damage-players

[Clockwork 1,794]

I've seen the question of whether Chelsea fans would prefer to win the Premier League or the Champions League many times on various forums and have also heard it discussed during radio phone ins. To my recollection, on every single occasion, a comfortable majority has voted for the Premier League. The domestic title is certainly my preference, and the gap is huge. If we'd won the league 5 times in a row, I'd still take a 6th win over another Champions League. Of course I'd prefer both but if it has to be just one then Premier League every time.

I do agree with you though about the CL being a great competition and about the fact that no one has retained it being evidence of how tough it is to win. I sometimes hear people of my generation yearning for the good old days of the Champion's cup. In my opinion their memory is playing tricks on them. For me, the old 4-and-a-half round*, straight knock-out, Champions Cup, with its entry padded out by the cannon-fodder domestic champions of weaker nations, was a Mickey Mouse competition compared to the Champion's League.

In fact those that would like to bring back the knock out version have forgotten that, back then, it was a commonly held view that the old UEFA Cup was a harder competition to win because of its greater strength in depth of top quality sides. The early rounds of the Champions Cup were a joke. Although people often forget now, the draw was seeded so the good teams often battered their opponents in the first two rounds and the competition didn't really get going till the quarter-finals (3rd round) in March. On only twice during their dominant spell did Liverpool draw good sides before Christmas. They went out on both occasions.

* I say 4-and-a-half rounds because, on the luck of the draw, some of the better clubs would get a bye into the second round, as Liverpool did in one of the seasons when they won the competition.

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL. but you don't see Barca or Real fans saying the same thing, because their standard is higher. CL is the biggest club competition in the world, best of the best.

The PL has incredibly declined over the years, it is not a great league anymore. We were the runaway Champion, and we got outplayed by a 10 men PSG side. Not to mention they had a lot of injuries heading into the tie. PSG is not the standard of European football, they got demolished by Barca. It was really shocking how easy it was for Barca, it was really a reality check for me. That we are going comfortably win the league, but we are far from being one of the best in Europe.

I am kinda slowly but surely realizing that we have lost our ambition to be elite. First with our summer transfer window, now sticking with Mou in spite of being 16 with almost 1/3 of football being played.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

[lucio 5,418]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL. but you don't see Barca or Real fans saying the same thing, because their standard is higher. CL is the biggest club competition in the world, best of the best.

The PL has incredibly declined over the years, it is not a great league anymore. We were the runaway Champion, and we got outplayed by a 10 men PSG side. Not to mention they had a lot of injuries heading into the tie. PSG is not the standard of European football, they got demolished by Barca. It was really shocking how easy it was for Barca, it was really a reality check for me. That we are going comfortably win the league, but we are far from being one of the best in Europe.

I am kinda slowly but surely realizing that we have lost our ambition to be elite. First with our summer transfer window, now sticking with Mou in spite of being 16 with almost 1/3 of football being played.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

isn't it only the quality, of the top PL teams that has declined? the midtable and lower teams are better than ever, and all can bring in good players.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

Incredibly wrong on all 3 counts especially the last one because it doesn't matter who the manager is and it might have escaped your attention but hardly anyone is saying the PL is greater than the CL....just saying that to most fans its the one to win year in year out and then worry about a CL.

And I also bet that if we were near or at the top of the PL this season......we wouldn't even be having this debate at this present time of the season

[Adnane 1,101]

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

Indeed, because Mourinho has been awful in the CL throughout his carrer

Normally taking the Premier League over the Champions league, but it's a cycle, our previous one felt so special because of all we had to endure in the decade before to get it.

But you can't keep winning the league every year and pretend you don't want to win the CL, that's ridiculous, I just believe the club owes it more to be dominant ( or at least there up top ) in the league every year than in the sem finals of the CL, not because getting to the semis is harder, but because it depends on a lot of random stuff in addition to your performance per se.

[stroey 2,525]

the ''anti-Mourinho crew'' would say the same things if we won the Champions league last season with Jose and failed in the league.

They would find other excuses to diminish the achievements of Jose, I can imagine:
'' he parked the bus all day long and won on away goals'', '' CL is more about luck, the EPL is a marathon'' , '' the final was luck, we were actually outplayed''.

You guys try everything to diminish Jose's achievements, some stupid examples:

- Transfers were bad, Jose asked for them and didn't get them - and it was Jose's fault only.
- Players came back overweight as professionals with million salaries - but it is Jose's fault.
- He is destroying Eden Hazard - yes that's why Eden won all the player of the year awards last year?
- He treated John Fearn and Eva the same way while Eva made a stupid post on FB and is suing the club - Jose is a sexist and Eva a goddess.
- We actually played full strength Liverpool and Spurs in the COC - but the league cup doesn't count as a real trophy.
- The media always makes jokes of us and Jose defends us - Jose is embarrassing the club.
- Many FA/ref decisions were against us in the last few seasons and Jose speaks out - Jose is embarrassing the club.
- Guardiola got outplayed 2 times by Barca and Real while Jose lost on away goals - Guardiola is god, he was fighting and Jose is a pussy.
- Jose is having the first bad spell in his career - Jose is a fraud.
- He can only park the bus in big games - what about Arsenal (6-0), City away (0-1), United (3-1) for example and his tactics at Real, Inter (beat Bayern 2-0 in final), and Chelsea (first spell)?
- Right now it is CL >>>> EPL for the Anti Jose Crew - both are the biggest trophies you can win, the Premier league is seen as the best league in the world because it's the most competitive one.

If you guys don't know so much, just shut up, you guys are embarrassing yourself. Come with facts, no made up history stories based on your hate for him or statements based on tactics of 1 game you have ever seen in his career.

This manager has a 12 year long career, 8 league titles, 2 CL titles + reached 6 more semifinals + more other cups. He never finished outside the top 2 till 2013/14 where he finished third in the league. Holds many records, including our league records of 2004-05, the records of Real Madrid 2011-12, and made some new records in his last season with us.



12 year of continuous success and you guys are bashing him and calling him a fraud after 12 games in the league? Man just save yourself.

[Miki-Liki 405]

12 year of continuous success and you guys are bashing him and calling him a fraud after 12 games in the league? Man just save yourself.

FFS, no matter how many times you mention all the problems, you guys will just keep on saying "oh, you want him out after one-two-three (the number keeps rising btw.) bad months, but he's the best coach ever, he said so himself".

[BlueLion. 21,491]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL. but you don't see Barca or Real fans saying the same thing, because their standard is higher. CL is the biggest club competition in the world, best of the best.

The PL has incredibly declined over the years, it is not a great league anymore. We were the runaway Champion, and we got outplayed by a 10 men PSG side. Not to mention they had a lot of injuries heading into the tie. PSG is not the standard of European football, they got demolished by Barca. It was really shocking how easy it was for Barca, it was really a reality check for me. That we are going comfortably win the league, but we are far from being one of the best in Europe.

I am kinda slowly but surely realizing that we have lost our ambition to be elite. First with our summer transfer window, now sticking with Mou in spite of being 16 with almost 1/3 of football being played.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

I'm not a 'Mou hardcore defendant' but I do back our manager. However I maintain CL>PL,

[manpe 10,861]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

1) Not always, but quite often.

2) No.

3) I do mind, you can't win anything by being passive. No I don't want it to be part of the itentity, it's for losers. And by passive I don't mean cautious or defensive, I mean lazy.

We also get gloryhunters for winning the league.

A gloryhunter is a gloryhunter. Whether he/she's a local, non-local or a living in a different country. I can easily say Chelsea's real fans are the fans living in South London (which isn't true, but you should get the point).

In fact IMO it's more embarrassing for someone who lives in London, supporting Manchester United or Man City (unless they moved to London but was a Manchester boy). I live in London and when I was in high school, there were a lot of United fans.

You can't escape gloryhunters.

I think after this season there will be no gloryhunters left. Being bottom of the barrel in some sense cleanses the club.

[stroey 2,525]

FFS, no matter how many times you mention all the problems, you guys will just keep on saying "oh, you want him out after one-two-three (the number keeps rising btw.) bad months, but he's the best coach ever, he said so himself".

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Let's do a simple math and say missing the CL is failure. He's had 12 full seasons and the current one will be his 13th.

Let's assume he will finish the season and won't make top 4. That's a failure rate of 1/13= 7.7%. I'd hire a manager with a success rate of 92.3% any day.

Or maybe we should look at the 12 league games this season. He's never had a run of games like this before in his career.

He's had 12 seasons, that are 10 * 38 games + 2* 34 (Portuguese league) = 448.

12 games + 448 are 460 in total. 12/460 games = in 2.6% of his league career he's having such a bad run. Not that bad, is it?

Based on what do you think he can't make us win again? Based on history, based on pure speculating, or based on your hate towards him?

[Clockwork 1,794]

isn't it only the quality, of the top PL teams that has declined? the midtable and lower teams are better than ever, and all can bring in good players.

Buying better players does not always equal better product on the pitch.

What good is a Ferrari if you use it like a fiat?

I can't say if the mid table have gotten better, the drop off at the top gives a perception it has. It is not reality.

[Essien19 1,415]

Buying better players does not always equal better product on the pitch.

What good is a Ferrari if you use it like a fiat?

I can't say if the mid table have gotten better, the drop off at the top gives a perception it has. It is not reality.

I don't think the likes of Payet, Cabaye, Cedric, Van Diyk and so on are currently used as a fiat.

They dominate and and their teams are playing to their strengths.

For me the so called small teams have stepped up big time and no other league has that amount of competition in their league!