The Mourinho Thread

[DYC. 7,542]

Hope that 2 weeks are enough to sort his contract situation.

Voted for yes.

I'm probably the biggest Jose fan boy but you can't help him if he wants it so much. What infuriates me the most is that he didn't see that coming yet internet warriors did. I used a phrase in March or April that even unarmed eye can see problems in the squad and in the team and there are many things that are not rosy. There was me and other guys but honestly it was so obvious I'm not taking pride for that. Yet the guy that has UEFA Pro badge since 1992 and is coaching at the top level for 15 years pretends to be blind, as long as scoreline is good, no matter performance, no matter if you were lucky or not lucky, he thinks everything is alright. He really believed that we were actually that good last season, imagine that ! He should be using PSG matches as a reference where the team is. Instead he decided to ignore that and he is literally abusing this term "champion" like if this is giving special skill and status to the players and make them better. But problems as were previously as are now with or without champion badge on a shirt. The team should be developing all the time. Yet we're resting on our laurels completely, thinking that we already are at the peak and it is our manager who allowed this to happen. So blind. But remember, he can't hear critics over clanging of all his medals !

In attack we look abysmal. We can't interchange few passess, we look way way more like a country who meets every 2 months than a club. No drilled attacking patterns, no triangles, literally like this element wasn't exercised. We rely on individual brillance. This article from ESPN that attacking drills under Mourinho are very basic, as true as it was, it's not discovering much we can't see. Especially our counter-attack looks shocking, the amount of time we did great transition with few passes you can count on both hands and half of that amount is from City game at Etihad in 13-14 season.

Yet our manager looks clueless, he doesn't try anything and I mean anything to change that. We kick ourself in heads. Sort the full-backs at least, how HOW EVERY CLUB AND COUNTRY play with two natural full-backs yet we still can't do that and try Ivanovic at RB and Azplicueta at LB over again ? It's basic thing to give you few new options, there's a reason why every manager does that. But our manager even this can't change. He is so limited in attack it's un-be-liavable.

The idea that we still play with Cahill, Ivanovic and JT in backline never stop to surprise me. We know every of them is limited and every of them needs protection to actually perform and we're in 3rd season and still play with so XX century defensive block. We won't start building attacks from the back when you have backline so vulnerubable for any act of pressing. We will always have Sunderland mentality.

I wrote this before that I think no one from ours attackers actually developed. You can have a case with Hazard but I say he's supreme talent and he had to develop no matter what. Apart from one in generation talent in Hazard, who is better under Mourinho ? You just have to thank us from the whole footballing world that we didn't sign Douglas Costa because now we would call him fraud, another Willian, toothless technican, no end product, overrated. The whole footballing world now have a great player to watch who otherwise would be ruined, devoid of confidence and playing on a right wing with no purpouse. Thank letter from the world of football beckons for Chelsea.

And how I can ignore how big, annoying liar he is ? What's still with all the talk that he picks players based on performance and there's no untouchables ? How stupid I feel when 1,5 years ago I tried to speak to the people that KdB was in already lost cause and Mourinho/Chelsea gave up on him before he gave up on them. He didn't want to fight for his place. Yes, with manager oriented around 12-14 names who alienetes squad players and berefts them of any confidence, literally like he was on exterminate mission.

How you can imagine him being here long-term when he can't identificate problems BEFORE they arise and how you can imagine him being here long-term if he can't rotate ? If he has untouchables, deprive any others of confidence when they feel as low as ever in their carrer. This guy takes it to the whole new level. Now whole squad feels alieneted not just bench players. Why we start pre-season so late ? Because players were fatigued. Why they were fatigued ? Because there was no rotation. Vicious circle. If we were still scraping wins coming into this season Mourinho would again orient around few names and tire them to death.

I'd prepare safe landing. We have to get to top 4 whether is it with Mourinho or no it's different matter. We will make huge signings in winter to save the season.

However there are no sings for him being able to be at the club long-term. When motivation is down you see how limited we are. We can't rely on something we drilled in training because there's nothing there.

We should prepare Jurgen Klopp. He's basically Mourinho 2.0 with pressing, counter-attack, intensity, something Mourinho was known for. He is also great character and personality so we won't lose that either. He integrates youth. He does speak English well. Yes, he had terrible last season but there are few circumstances softening assessment and it was after 6 seasons at the club not 2 ! He also took sabbatical so should be fresh to start again with clear head. Something Mourinho should do btw.

I've never wanted to believe that but Mourinho constantly emphasising 'passion, desire, motivation, balls' when discussing performances pretty much says it all. That's the cornerstone of his coaching.

Good post btw. That part about the attacking players is particularly damning. Mata, De Bruyne, Salah, Cuadrado all looked so poor for Chelsea under Mourinho but so much better elsewhere. At least Schurrle isn't doing much better at Wolfsburg.

Oscar and Willian decent with no signs of improving. Hazard would indeed do well and improve whether his manager's name is Mourinho, Van Gaal or Luis Enrique.

Jury is still out on Pedro but his qualities aren't being utilised at all at the moment. Why is he dribbling so much and receiving the ball (in his feet) in isolated positions so often?

[Peace. 4,352]

Would rather see the club side with the manager and let any player who has taken the hump know they are welcome to leave.

Most people on here who want José out are the same who constantly talk about stability. Stability is not sacking your manager when the players take the hump. Stability is letting them know that you answer to the man in charge -- who also just happens to be one of the most highly decorated coaches in the games history.

Set the precedent and finally try and curb the managerial merry go round once and for all.

That is not stability, this is not true.

Stability cannot be attributed to players or managers... They have a relatively short football life-span while clubs last for many generations. For instance, Mourinho coaches for a tad more than 10 years while the club exist for more than 100 years. Players and managers come and go and their profiles change just as regularly. How can such unstable elements bring stability to an entity that out-life them ? They do not and they cannot.

Stability is not human flesh, this is a concept. A concept that transcends players, managers and even presidents. Actually, stability is none other than a clearly identified identity. Barcelona is the perfect example. In ten years they had four managers : Pep, Tito, Tata, Enrique. The players have also changed : only Iniesta, Messi, Alves and Piqué are remaining from Pep's first season. Despite the changes in players, in managers and in presidents, during all these years Barça enjoyed success — aside of Tata's season (where he still was not that far away from winning the league). And they did so while playing with the same identity. Of course their game changed a little bit from year to year. Yet its identity remained the same, i.e. an offensive and good-looking game based upon a highly technical group of players where the collective is greater than the individuality and a desire to do their game no matter the opposition. This clearly identified identity is a major aspect of their constant succes in the last decade, because this identity is shared from the academy to the first team players, and from the supporters to the presidents. That is stability.

Another example : Arsenal and Wenger. During the last decade of his management at Arsenal, the club went from the Invincibles, to a group of teenagers trying to emulate Barcelona, to the actual group of mediocre mid-twenty players that pride itself in finishing fourth. That is not stability. That is a roller-coaster in terms of identity and in terms of results.

Let's go back to Chelsea. Where is the stability ? Where is the identity ? We went from an "ok" game, to a delightful game, to an ugly game, to.... The 16th place. It has also been — and still is — a roller-coaster. If there was no stability since Roman took over, that is not because he sacked managers every new moon. That is because we hired managers that had nothing to do with each other and because we bought players for the sake of it, without any policy. In other words, we were unstable because we did not have any identity. And funnily enough, since the Torres debacle we are trying to build an identity (we mainly bought young, dynamic and up-coming players that are at least decent with the ball)... but it is all going up into smoke as we are speaking.

Right now, the only stable element at the club — in regards to the sportive side — is Ivanovic's starting spot. Sacking Mourinho will only make one thing unstable : Ivanovic's starting spot.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

@Adnane, This says exactly what I wanted to say. :clap: :clap:

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Rumors coming from DM are reporting he survied a meeting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3259268/Jose-Mourinho-survives-meeting-Chelsea-board-not-sacked-despite-poor-start-season.html

If thats true, it means the board is thinking about sacking, if that was not the case, there was no reason for the meeting.

When your are doing a bad job and there is meeting with your boss where is said your job is safe, your boss is basically saying: we believe you can fix this mess, otherwise you are fired.

With the current form, Mourinho will be lucky to even survive untill december.

Unless we start winning of course, in which case this will all blow over.

If it were any other manager he would be gone by now. He's surviving clearly on his previous rep at this club.

But then again considering all he's done here over the years maybe he deserves a get out of jail free card. So long as the results begin to improve or the players at least look like they're gonna get up off their arses.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I feel like Klopp needs another managerial position before he steps up to the Madrid/Barcelona/Chelsea's of the world. See if he can adapt to another league and still demonstrate the same attributes that made him a success at Dortmund

We're not at Madrid or Barcelona level tbh.

[Styles 9,790]

We're not at Madrid or Barcelona level tbh.

Yep. Some of the players that start for us wouldn't make their bench.

[Styles 9,790]

That is not stability, this is not true.

Stability cannot be attributed to players or managers... They have a relatively short football life-span while clubs last for many generations. For instance, Mourinho coaches for a tad more than 10 years while the club exist for more than 100 years. Players and managers come and go and their profiles change just as regularly. How can such unstable elements bring stability to an entity that out-life them ? They do not and they cannot.

Stability is not human flesh, this is a concept. A concept that transcends players, managers and even presidents. Actually, stability is none other than a clearly identified identity. Barcelona is the perfect example. In ten years they had four managers : Pep, Tito, Tata, Enrique. The players have also changed : only Iniesta, Messi, Alves and Piqué are remaining from Pep's first season. Despite the changes in players, in managers and in presidents, during all these years Barça enjoyed success — aside of Tata's season (where he still was not that far away from winning the league). And they did so while playing with the same identity. Of course their game changed a little bit from year to year. Yet its identity remained the same, i.e. an offensive and good-looking game based upon a highly technical group of players where the collective is greater than the individuality and a desire to do their game no matter the opposition. This clearly identified identity is a major aspect of their constant succes in the last decade, because this identity is shared from the academy to the first team players, and from the supporters to the presidents. That is stability.

Another example : Arsenal and Wenger. During the last decade of his management at Arsenal, the club went from the Invincibles, to a group of teenagers trying to emulate Barcelona, to the actual group of mediocre mid-twenty players that pride itself in finishing fourth. That is not stability. That is a roller-coaster in terms of identity and in terms of results.

Let's go back to Chelsea. Where is the stability ? Where is the identity ? We went from an "ok" game, to a delightful game, to an ugly game, to.... The 16th place. It has also been — and still is — a roller-coaster. If there was no stability since Roman took over, that is not because he sacked managers every new moon. That is because we hired managers that had nothing to do with each other and because we bought players for the sake of it, without any policy. In other words, we were unstable because we did not have any identity. And funnily enough, since the Torres debacle we are trying to build an identity (we mainly bought young, dynamic and up-coming players that are at least decent with the ball)... but it is all going up into smoke as we are speaking.

Right now, the only stable element at the club — in regards to the sportive side — is Ivanovic's starting spot. Sacking Mourinho will only make one thing unstable : Ivanovic's starting spot.

Preach, brother.

[Pizy 18,952]

Lose to Villa and he's gone for sure. Not now.

[Jase 43,479]

Lose to Villa and he's gone for sure. Not now.

We should just liquidate immediately if we lose to Aston Villa.

[Pizy 18,952]

We should just liquidate immediately if we lose to Aston Villa.

Yeah. Losing to Tactics Tim would be the last straw. At home, too.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

It's very easy to blame the manager every time. and send him home.

it's not the solution. maybe it will helps for another season and then again...

the players are the ones to blame.

Jose are trying and giving them opportunity after opportunity and they let him down every time.

Like Jose said, he's a CHELSEA FAN too so i think he's the best option for us, he tries to do the best for his Club.

[MefiX19 1,092]

There's will be a nice derbies next year; QPR, Fullham, Brendford.

[Jase 43,479]

It's very easy to blame the manager every time. and send him home.

it's not the solution. maybe it will helps for another season and then again...

the players are the ones to blame.

Jose are trying and giving them opportunity after opportunity and they let him down every time.

Like Jose said, he's a CHELSEA FAN too so i think he's the best option for us, he tries to do the best for his Club.

Weren't you one of those who desperately wanted Jose to get the sack? You changed your tune pretty fast.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Why he is still our manager??

They recently extended his contract. If they fire him now it will be very hard to bring another top manager, because managers don't trust such boards/owners. Abramovich needs to show that he has changed and he is more patient now.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I cant believe people actualy thought he will or that he can lead us for years and years.

He doesnt have tactical approach nor personality to work at same place for like 7 years with ups and downs.

When individual or two or three underperforms is something normal, down to these players. If the whole team plays like shit, out of depth, out of form, out of shape, lacks motivation, lacks team work, defense is shit, midfield is shit, attack is shit, then its definately down to manager. 100%. Sure the players are the ones who play shit, but its the manager that organises and prepares them for each game. Take a look at BVB. Change of coach and they do alot better, despite Klopp is the ''better'' manager than Tuchel.

So unless our team is full of losers (which I doubt because we won PL last season after all), this is something Mou has to repair. And while Im still behind him, his methods dont convince me. Keeping Iva, Cesc, punishing individuals like Matic probably based on personal bust ups or sth, having 20m Baba on bench and doing fuck all. Losing match after match, yet RLC who was good when he played doesnt get more chances. Making same old excuses game after game etc. I see no change, he is acting like the players need to get magicaly back in form and we will be good.

Im gonna give him time till end of year, regardless of what happens, I hope he makes some positive changes, but right now it looks like he is looking for some scapegoats in Matic that could all of sudden leave the club, yet he himself who is responsible for this mess in big way, thinks he is doing everything right. That might lead to another few years of transition if he eventualy leaves, but manages to fuck up whole team and sell Hazard, Matic, who I believe will leave if this shit continues.

[Tautvix 1,321]

And then we are angry when people call Chelsea fans plastic. A lot of comments here are completely plastic. You act like you are always with the team when they win but when they lose it's not "us" but it's "they". Nothing more to say.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Weren't you one of those who desperately wanted Jose to get the sack? You changed your tune pretty fast.

I was Just angry because of the result.

He must to stay.

If players like Iva/Cahill/Terry continue to make individual mistakes every game, and if players like Cesc/Hazard continue their very poor form,it's their fault.

Mou said that he tried to talked to them about their mistakes, tried to give them more playing time. time to improve, supports them. but they let him and us down every time.

Bring a new manager will help for 1/2 season and then again... the players will feel that the first thing that happen is " Manager Out " so they can keep continue to do nothing.

Sometimes, I don't like our playing style, but it will be unfair to sack jose, he gave for this club so many great moments.

Sack him because of some primadonnas that don't give a fuck will be stupid.

He's a chelsea fan and he will do his best to save our season, it's in his interests.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

You Can't Sack Manager every 2 season and search for stability.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's very easy to blame the manager every time. and send him home.

it's not the solution. maybe it will helps for another season and then again...

the players are the ones to blame.

Jose are trying and giving them opportunity after opportunity and they let him down every time.

Like Jose said, he's a CHELSEA FAN too so i think he's the best option for us, he tries to do the best for his Club.

exactly. he tried his best by playing ivanovic and cesc again and again and again. nrilliant.

[King11Didier 916]

"Our best manager ever"