The Mourinho Thread

[Special Juan 27,450]

The club dragged through the fucking mud once again when things like this are easily dealt with behind closed doors.

It started with Mourinho's actions and continued with her fucking tweet or whatever it was. It's headline news now, and very easily avoided.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

I thought he was blaming our medics ,, Please remind me of when Jose took all the blame for a defeat.

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho says he should take the blame for his team's Champions League 2-1 defeat by Basel.

Oscar put the home side ahead but Mohamed Salah equalised for Basel and Marco Streller headed in a late winner.

"When we lose I don't speak about the players or individuals, I speak about my responsibility," said Mourinho. "I am responsible."

______________________________

And, no, he did not blame medics for the result in any aspect.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

The club dragged through the fucking mud once again when things like this are easily dealt with behind closed doors.

It started with Mourinho's actions and continued with her fucking tweet or whatever it was. It's headline news now, and very easily avoided.

Nobody, at least in the media, is talking about the shocking performance of Fabregas and Ivanovic though.

Jose has done a pretty amazing protecting the players this week against probably the toughest match of the season..

[Special Juan 27,450]

Nobody, at least in the media, is talking about the shocking performance of Fabregas and Ivanovic though.

Jose has done a pretty amazing protecting the players this week against probably the toughest match of the season..

Mourinho didn't need to act like he did, he made the media ask a question on why he went crazy. Eva also didn't need to take to social media, because once you do it's completely petrol on the fire.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

(a) Okay, first point Alex.. This is a common canard that is inapplicable in this situation. Are you trying to suggest that Jose losing his rag on the touchline was all part of a "deflection". Or that Dr.Carneiro's suspension (or expulsion) from the team bench, team hotels and practice sessions is one grand deflection? Of course not.

Let's address the elephant in the room, guys. Mourinho has an almighty ego and self importance about him. He also has an uncontrollable rage. He could easily have diffused the situation, but chose to escalate it. That isn't a deflection. That's public scape-goating. And he's done it with Hazard before after we got crushed by Atletico Madrid in the semis. Remember? It was clear to me then that Mourinho will go great lengths to cover his own backside and that he has no respect for even the people that give him so much.

(ii) No. I simply meant that whatever Mourinho told the team at half time was innefectual and actually resulted in making the team play worse. I also meant that anyone who has been paying close attention to Chelsea in the last few months would have noticed that pattern.

One good half. One bad half. It's either the team isn't ready in the 1st half or the team begins to play much worse in the 2nd after a good 1st half. It's becoming too frequent to not be part of a larger problem.

[a] Firstly, we can only deal with the facts. We don't know whether Eva will be on the bench or not on Sunday; this could all be hearsay. What we do know is José has publicly called her out, which I have already said I totally disagree with. However, look at what the media are talking about. They're spouting bollocks about a "crisis" and focusing on off-the-pitch antics rather than what happened on the pitch on Sunday. That, you can say, is a successful deflection away from his side, which is the most important element of the club. José losing it on the touchline was stupid, but I firmly believe he has purposefully made the comments he has made to keep the press talking about some imaginary "feud" that will all be forgotten should we blow City away on Sunday, which, amidst all this furore, is looking increasingly possible.

Mourinho has an almighty ego and that is to the benefit of the club. He makes sure the papers are focused on him. Would we have had such a slump in Ancelotti's second season if he had a Mourinho-esque attitude? The papers certainly wouldn't have been scapegoating individual players if all the attention had have been on him. With regards to your point about José berating Hazard - I'd say that's actually counter-productive to your argument. The season after that dressing down, Hazard goes on to win the Player of the Year award. With Mata, too - José told him what he had to do to earn his place back in the side. Mata didn't oblige. José uses the press extremely effectively, but he consistently takes a risky attitude towards the situation as it can, like in this episode, backfire somewhat.

As for your second point which you are basing on the evidence of one Premier League match (you surely can't be referring to games during the second half of last season; we were consistently superior in the second half of matches from January onwards, compared to the first half of the season where we'd dominate the first 45 minutes and fade away, which cost us in games vs United, City, Newcastle, etc.), there is absolutely no point even discussing it. You can't possibly bring pre-season matches into the equation. And, until more fitness is achieved, of course the players are going to look jaded and performances will drop in the second half of matches. These are people, not machines. Mental fitness + physical fitness = match fitness. And since it will be weeks before the players achieve physical fitness, let alone mental fitness, we're a long way from the outcome of that equation. Let's analyse first half and second half performances once the team has eased itself into the season.

I can't really be bothered going into much more detail than this as I'm tired and have had a stressful day - we'll have to agree to disagree. I just think José has acted very deliberately to move the attentions of the press away from his unfit and underperforming players (on the basis of Sunday's game). What I don't appreciate is people (this isn't aimed at you; it's aimed at others) accusing people such as me as being pro-Mourinho and backing him when he's in the wrong. He's quite clearly ended up with egg on his face here, but I believe he's manipulated the situation to make sure people aren't talking about how useless Hazard was, about how diabolical Ivanovic was, about how vulnerable the centre-backs seemed, and how (un)fit Fabregas and Matic looked. I suppose the point I'm trying to arrive at is that what's been said has been said, and there's no point denigrating the man who led us to a Double last season. That's even more daft than Mourinho's rant. But let's be honest here, the person who turned this into a full-blown war was Eva and her poorly timed Facebook status. Let's not blow smoke up anyone's arse. I might read this post back in a week and disagree with myself, but for the time being I see no reason to hail Mourinho as the Anti-Christ as so many seem hellbent on doing.

I thought he was blaming our medics ,, Please remind me of when Jose took all the blame for a defeat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24155092

[TheIceMan 596]

you posted this ....

If you Don't like and Don't support Mourinho GTFO!!!

because i see lately so many haters and n I didn't meant to GTFO of this forum because I'm nobody to tell someone that!

But like rats every time he slips up they appear from the shadows and start on hating not just in this forum! That post was from pure frustration because for me Mourinho is the BIGGEST chelsea legend a folk hero and don't like to see so much hatin'! Because I wonder where are those, when he is victorious lifting one hand in the air and thew hole crowd sings his name... Where are they in this moment probably in a dark hole somewhere!

[didierforever 7,349]

[a] Firstly, we can only deal with the facts. We don't know whether Eva will be on the bench or not on Sunday; this could all be hearsay. What we do know is José has publicly called her out, which I have already said I totally disagree with. However, look at what the media are talking about. They're spouting bollocks about a "crisis" and focusing on off-the-pitch antics rather than what happened on the pitch on Sunday. That, you can say, is a successful deflection away from his side, which is the most important element of the club. José losing it on the touchline was stupid, but I firmly believe he has purposefully made the comments he has made to keep the press talking about some imaginary "feud" that will all be forgotten should we blow City away on Sunday, which, amidst all this furore, is looking increasingly possible.

Mourinho has an almighty ego and that is to the benefit of the club. He makes sure the papers are focused on him. Would we have had such a slump in Ancelotti's second season if he had a Mourinho-esque attitude? The papers certainly wouldn't have been scapegoating individual players if all the attention had have been on him. With regards to your point about José berating Hazard - I'd say that's actually counter-productive to your argument. The season after that dressing down, Hazard goes on to win the Player of the Year award. With Mata, too - José told him what he had to do to earn his place back in the side. Mata didn't oblige. José uses the press extremely effectively, but he consistently takes a risky attitude towards the situation as it can, like in this episode, backfire somewhat.

As for your second point which you are basing on the evidence of one Premier League match (you surely can't be referring to games during the second half of last season; we were consistently superior in the second half of matches from January onwards, compared to the first half of the season where we'd dominate the first 45 minutes and fade away, which cost us in games vs United, City, Newcastle, etc.), there is absolutely no point even discussing it. You can't possibly bring pre-season matches into the equation. And, until more fitness is achieved, of course the players are going to look jaded and performances will drop in the second half of matches. These are people, not machines. Mental fitness + physical fitness = match fitness. And since it will be weeks before the players achieve physical fitness, let alone mental fitness, we're a long way from the outcome of that equation. Let's analyse first half and second half performances once the team has eased itself into the season.

I can't really be bothered going into much more detail than this as I'm tired and have had a stressful day - we'll have to agree to disagree. I just think José has acted very deliberately to move the attentions of the press away from his unfit and underperforming players (on the basis of Sunday's game). What I don't appreciate is people (this isn't aimed at you; it's aimed at others) accusing people such as me as being pro-Mourinho and backing him when he's in the wrong. He's quite clearly ended up with egg on his face here, but I believe he's manipulated the situation to make sure people aren't talking about how useless Hazard was, about how diabolical Ivanovic was, about how vulnerable the centre-backs seemed, and how (un)fit Fabregas and Matic looked. I suppose the point I'm trying to arrive at is that what's been said has been said, and there's no point denigrating the man who led us to a Double last season. That's even more daft than Mourinho's rant. But let's be honest here, the person who turned this into a full-blown war was Eva and her poorly timed Facebook status. Let's not blow smoke up anyone's arse. I might read this post back in a week and disagree with myself, but for the time being I see no reason to hail Mourinho as the Anti-Christ as so many seem hellbent on doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24155092

what post?

[cosmicway 1,333]

Mirror poll:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-doctor-eva-carneiro-working-6238547?ICID=FB_mirror_MF

[Special Juan 27,450]

Nobody, at least in the media, is talking about the shocking performance of Fabregas and Ivanovic though.

Jose has done a pretty amazing protecting the players this week against probably the toughest match of the season..

I'd also like to add to this something that I think is very important here. Your saying that he has used this to take away the heat off poor performances of certain players, yet he has basically had another staff member, a close companion, and a member of his team hung drawn and quartered at the expense of taken off the heat? Are we really sure about this? He could of done this by having a go at the officials for sending off Tibo and debating the 'Last man scenario' which would of held more solid ground than fucking laying into the medical staff. Jose has had a pop at officials before and people claimed it was to take the heat off players, are things that bad that he needs to air his dirty laundry in public and lay into the medical team for doing their job?

I love Mourinho, but he's got this fucking wrong, big time.

[Tomo 21,733]

I really miss Ancelotti. No drama, no controversy/childishness and model of an ultimate professional.

I can understand it in that sense, but in terms of being a manager, Jose is well ahead of Carlo.

[Tomo 21,733]

'deserve' is a bit harsh. Ferguson used to have as many if not more public meltdowns with his own staff from what I remember and was barely reprimanded.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/may/24/newsstory.sport10

But no-one cared......

And if United fans wanted a manager with more class they got their wish the season after he left......

Not saying two wrongs make a right and all that, but weren't the media and the general public drooling over his no nonsense attitude, if he ever called a player out the general consensus was "that's good a manager showing he's in charge"but when it's Jose its disgraceful and he should have more respect

All the more ironic considering we were all widely pining for a manager to be completely in charge after the AVB debacle.

[zolayes 14,489]

[a] Firstly, we can only deal with the facts. We don't know whether Eva will be on the bench or not on Sunday; this could all be hearsay. What we do know is José has publicly called her out, which I have already said I totally disagree with. However, look at what the media are talking about. They're spouting bollocks about a "crisis" and focusing on off-the-pitch antics rather than what happened on the pitch on Sunday. That, you can say, is a successful deflection away from his side, which is the most important element of the club. José losing it on the touchline was stupid, but I firmly believe he has purposefully made the comments he has made to keep the press talking about some imaginary "feud" that will all be forgotten should we blow City away on Sunday, which, amidst all this furore, is looking increasingly possible.

Mourinho has an almighty ego and that is to the benefit of the club. He makes sure the papers are focused on him. Would we have had such a slump in Ancelotti's second season if he had a Mourinho-esque attitude? The papers certainly wouldn't have been scapegoating individual players if all the attention had have been on him. With regards to your point about José berating Hazard - I'd say that's actually counter-productive to your argument. The season after that dressing down, Hazard goes on to win the Player of the Year award. With Mata, too - José told him what he had to do to earn his place back in the side. Mata didn't oblige. José uses the press extremely effectively, but he consistently takes a risky attitude towards the situation as it can, like in this episode, backfire somewhat.

As for your second point which you are basing on the evidence of one Premier League match (you surely can't be referring to games during the second half of last season; we were consistently superior in the second half of matches from January onwards, compared to the first half of the season where we'd dominate the first 45 minutes and fade away, which cost us in games vs United, City, Newcastle, etc.), there is absolutely no point even discussing it. You can't possibly bring pre-season matches into the equation. And, until more fitness is achieved, of course the players are going to look jaded and performances will drop in the second half of matches. These are people, not machines. Mental fitness + physical fitness = match fitness. And since it will be weeks before the players achieve physical fitness, let alone mental fitness, we're a long way from the outcome of that equation. Let's analyse first half and second half performances once the team has eased itself into the season.

I can't really be bothered going into much more detail than this as I'm tired and have had a stressful day - we'll have to agree to disagree. I just think José has acted very deliberately to move the attentions of the press away from his unfit and underperforming players (on the basis of Sunday's game). What I don't appreciate is people (this isn't aimed at you; it's aimed at others) accusing people such as me as being pro-Mourinho and backing him when he's in the wrong. He's quite clearly ended up with egg on his face here, but I believe he's manipulated the situation to make sure people aren't talking about how useless Hazard was, about how diabolical Ivanovic was, about how vulnerable the centre-backs seemed, and how (un)fit Fabregas and Matic looked. I suppose the point I'm trying to arrive at is that what's been said has been said, and there's no point denigrating the man who led us to a Double last season. That's even more daft than Mourinho's rant. But let's be honest here, the person who turned this into a full-blown war was Eva and her poorly timed Facebook status. Let's not blow smoke up anyone's arse. I might read this post back in a week and disagree with myself, but for the time being I see no reason to hail Mourinho as the Anti-Christ as so many seem hellbent on doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24155092

Thanks someone else mentioned that game ,, MUST be one for the history book

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

[a] Firstly, we can only deal with the facts. We don't know whether Eva will be on the bench or not on Sunday; this could all be hearsay. What we do know is José has publicly called her out, which I have already said I totally disagree with. However, look at what the media are talking about. They're spouting bollocks about a "crisis" and focusing on off-the-pitch antics rather than what happened on the pitch on Sunday. That, you can say, is a successful deflection away from his side, which is the most important element of the club. José losing it on the touchline was stupid, but I firmly believe he has purposefully made the comments he has made to keep the press talking about some imaginary "feud" that will all be forgotten should we blow City away on Sunday, which, amidst all this furore, is looking increasingly possible.

Mourinho has an almighty ego and that is to the benefit of the club. He makes sure the papers are focused on him. Would we have had such a slump in Ancelotti's second season if he had a Mourinho-esque attitude? The papers certainly wouldn't have been scapegoating individual players if all the attention had have been on him. With regards to your point about José berating Hazard - I'd say that's actually counter-productive to your argument. The season after that dressing down, Hazard goes on to win the Player of the Year award. With Mata, too - José told him what he had to do to earn his place back in the side. Mata didn't oblige. José uses the press extremely effectively, but he consistently takes a risky attitude towards the situation as it can, like in this episode, backfire somewhat.

As for your second point which you are basing on the evidence of one Premier League match (you surely can't be referring to games during the second half of last season; we were consistently superior in the second half of matches from January onwards, compared to the first half of the season where we'd dominate the first 45 minutes and fade away, which cost us in games vs United, City, Newcastle, etc.), there is absolutely no point even discussing it. You can't possibly bring pre-season matches into the equation. And, until more fitness is achieved, of course the players are going to look jaded and performances will drop in the second half of matches. These are people, not machines. Mental fitness + physical fitness = match fitness. And since it will be weeks before the players achieve physical fitness, let alone mental fitness, we're a long way from the outcome of that equation. Let's analyse first half and second half performances once the team has eased itself into the season.

I can't really be bothered going into much more detail than this as I'm tired and have had a stressful day - we'll have to agree to disagree. I just think José has acted very deliberately to move the attentions of the press away from his unfit and underperforming players (on the basis of Sunday's game). What I don't appreciate is people (this isn't aimed at you; it's aimed at others) accusing people such as me as being pro-Mourinho and backing him when he's in the wrong. He's quite clearly ended up with egg on his face here, but I believe he's manipulated the situation to make sure people aren't talking about how useless Hazard was, about how diabolical Ivanovic was, about how vulnerable the centre-backs seemed, and how (un)fit Fabregas and Matic looked. I suppose the point I'm trying to arrive at is that what's been said has been said, and there's no point denigrating the man who led us to a Double last season. That's even more daft than Mourinho's rant. But let's be honest here, the person who turned this into a full-blown war was Eva and her poorly timed Facebook status. Let's not blow smoke up anyone's arse. I might read this post back in a week and disagree with myself, but for the time being I see no reason to hail Mourinho as the Anti-Christ as so many seem hellbent on doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24155092

I disagree with many points, but since you're tired, let's agree to disagree then.

[Fulham Broadway 16,946]

the season is only a week old, cant wait till Jose gets going properly.

Bottom line...Football is a circus - a big show for the masses run by corporates.It's corrupt.It's full of liars and cheats. It's full of hypocrites and back stabbers. It's not real life

Sit back and enjoy the show but don't take anything other than what happens on the pitch seriously. We all have bigger problems in our real lives.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho says he should take the blame for his team's Champions League 2-1 defeat by Basel.

Oscar put the home side ahead but Mohamed Salah equalised for Basel and Marco Streller headed in a late winner.

"When we lose I don't speak about the players or individuals, I speak about my responsibility," said Mourinho. "I am responsible."

______________________________

And, no, he did not blame medics for the result in any aspect.

I know this might seem to be knit-picking his behaviour, but I've studied Mourinho and his antics for years. He does do this sometimes. He's never self critical in the really big matches, like the champions league knock-out phase or just decisive matches in general. That's the point. That's when the blame game tends to occur.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

I'd also like to add to this something that I think is very important here. Your saying that he has used this to take away the heat off poor performances of certain players, yet he has basically had another staff member, a close companion, and a member of his team hung drawn and quartered at the expense of taken off the heat? Are we really sure about this? He could of done this by having a go at the officials for sending off Tibo and debating the 'Last man scenario' which would of held more solid ground than fucking laying into the medical staff. Jose has had a pop at officials before and people claimed it was to take the heat off players, are things that bad that he needs to air his dirty laundry in public and lay into the medical team for doing their job?

I love Mourinho, but he's got this fucking wrong, big time.

Close companions because he called out the medical staff not a specific person. I agree it was not an orthodox move, but I think that it took everybody by surprise directly taking the pressure off the players in a way attacking the ref or rules wouldnt have.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I know this might seem to be knit-picking his behaviour, but I've studied Mourinho and his antics for years. He does do this sometimes. He's never self critical in the really big matches, like the champions league knock-out phase. That's the point. That's when the blame game tends to occur.

It's true, he also took the blame for Newcastle game that season saying that he made "11 mistakes" or congratulated Crystal Palace for beating us. But when he fielded Azpilicueta as a right winger in Champions League semi-final, at home, there was Hazard to blame who didn't pick fullback runs.

I maybe write something longer where we stand with Mourinho now, but I'm so torn on this one because I love the man but simply can't ignore many things glaring in the face.

[cosmicway 1,333]

the season is only a week old, cant wait till Jose gets going properly.

Bottom line...Football is a circus - a big show for the masses run by corporates.It's corrupt.It's full of liars and cheats. It's full of hypocrites and back stabbers. It's not real life

Sit back and enjoy the show but don't take anything other than what happens on the pitch seriously. We all have bigger problems in our real lives.

Nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes.

A journalist friend of mine was assigned the task to interview an association boss.

We were together and I saw the questionnaire and I said "those are crap questions and he may also take offense".

It was n't his questionnaire, they handed it to him and he says to me "don't be such a fool and shuffle my papers, leave them alone".

Time passes, he gives it a read and goes on to change it himself !

Then the association boss comes around, the interview takes place and is aired, he seems happy and brings us fruit and ice cream.

Then the next day the journalist friend gets the sack for modifying the questionnaire !

What was the conspiracy we never got to know. The other journos ? Was the association captain going to attack the journalist if he used the original questionnaire ?

Sport is as bad as politics.