The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

or the thing is he knows exactly which players he can really count on and which he can't.

He could have come with all tactics wrong - the players shouldn't let that happen. As if players were robots and followed strictly what managers say.

He's to blame for some things, sure, but the fact that bunch allowed Bradford to score FOUR goals in the second half have more to do with their very common lack of interest, lack of winning spirit, being complacent. Mourinho says he doesn't have complacency in the team. It's a lie and he knows it. We have a bunch of accommodated players. Many of them featured today.

Yeah but it's still not exactly an excuse to treat players unfairly.

[Barbara 15,149]

Some players are clearly not good enough, but the only excuse I can think of for a player like Salah playing so badly vs teams like Shrewsbury and Bradford is lack of confidence and game time. It's unreasonable to expect someone to play once in 2 months and play at a high level.

Zouma might be an exception, but not everyone can be like him.

Salah may have been awful, he's got nothing to do with us conceding four goals to Bradford...

Yeah but it's still not exactly an excuse to treat players unfairly.

unfairly? Who decides what is unfair? You or him?

If he feels he has a bunch of bottlers that won't get the job done or he doesn't trust technically or tactically he'll make a decision. It may be unfair in your book, it doesn't make it universally unfair.

He doesn't drop Iva because he doesn't believe Luís can handle it and because Iva can make a million mistakes a match, the guy never stops fighting. Who else hasn't he dropped? He started Zouma a couple of weeks ago, I'm sure he'll do it again in the League, he won't throw the boy there and he has to try to recover Cahill (although for me he's a lost case since the beginning). You don't know his reasons. If he has 'untouchables' for the right reasons, it's his prerogative. Every fan here would play X instead of Y, does it make one group unfair? Please, Jason, that's presumption and opinion, nothing beyond that. Nobody has been treated unfair because that would be a whole different thing. The players that he trusts or that can do a half job are kept, the others he knows won't respond well. As they haven't - regardless of how much they played. Azpili hit the ground last season, Zouma has been very good every time he played this season and sometimes they were months apart. Even Luís played well given little time and some considered Mikel's appearances last month good as well. Those players have had very limited time... they are paid to do a job, they won't be sharp, but they should be able to play a match of football decently.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Yeah but it's still not exactly an excuse to treat players unfairly.

Fairness doesn't exist in football mate, never did. Wenger for example with Podolski, scored 2 in 1 match, benched the next. Same with Pep, Shquiri(speling) plays well=> benched anyway eventually had to leave. No manager is truly fair in football, no one admits it but as a human, naturally they all have their favorite. For example it is clear that Ramires was a Jose favorite last season, played badly yet still being used as starters in many other games. It is the same this year with Cahill.

Even Sir Alex wasn't fair with everyone, Pogba the clearest example. He insisted on playing the likes of Cleverley, Anderson...etc

[Tomo 21,733]

I honestly don't understand why some members get so offended and upset by the Mourinho criticism. There isn't a single manager of a club who isn't being criticised by a section of supporters right now. It's happening at every club in every sport. No manager is off limits. This is the same manager who routinely criticises Chelsea supporters and embarrasses them in the media and people are complaining about some forum posts. You couldn't make it up.

The bottom line is mate when people build a legacy at a club and become legends they get cut more slack compared to others.

Dalglish s awful transfers and dinosaur management set Liverpool back years yet he is still a hero, any other Liverpool manager that loses at home to Wigan, WBA and Fulham in the space of a month would have got hounded out of An field.

Shearer with Newcastle did a terrible job and relegated them but is still a hero.

Even today if you look at the Cech thread it's relievely quiet despite the fact he shipped 4 vs a league one side, if Tibo was in goal today you and me both know he wouldn't have been afforded the same leeway.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

The bottom line is mate when people build a legacy at a club and become legends they get cut more slack compared to others.

Dalglish s awful transfers and dinosaur management set Liverpool back years yet he is still a hero, any other Liverpool manager that loses at home to Wigan, WBA and Fulham in the space of a month would have got hounded out of An field.

Shearer with Newcastle did a terrible job and relegated them but is still a hero.

Even today if you look at the Cech thread it's relievely quiet despite the fact he shipped 4 vs a league one side, if Tibo was in goal today his thread would have been like feeding time in the Zoo.

Maybe that has to do with 3 of the goals he could have done nothing about? only that 1st one was preventable. Also why are there rules for some but not others. Lampard get dog-abuse for scoring a goal despite 10+ years of loyal service. If the fans could say those things to Lampard based on 1 goal what rules Mourinho out of their criticism.

For example last Wed, no one is happy with his negative attitude/tactic and unjustified criticism of the fans. But we still praise him? then why would he correct those faults? when no one is there to criticise, so obvious to him it means it is OK to carry on doing it.

[Tomo 21,733]

Maybe that has to do with 3 of the goals he could have done nothing about? only that 1st one was preventable. Also why are there rules for some but not others. Lampard get dog-abuse for scoring a goal despite 10+ years of loyal service. If the fans could say those things to Lampard based on 1 goal what rules Mourinho out of their criticism.

For example last Wed, no one is happy with his negative attitude/tactic and unjustified criticism of the fans. But we still praise him? then why would he correct those faults? when no one is there to criticise, so obvious to him it means it is OK to carry on doing it.

Tibo couldn't have done much about the goals he has conceded this season yet it hasn't stopped a lot of people clamouring for Cech s return.

Infact apart from Term ans a couple of others not many were that bothered about Lamps going City until the truth started to unravel.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Tibo couldn't have done much about the goals he has conceded this season yet it hasn't stopped a lot of people clamouring for Cech s return.

Infact apart from Term ans a couple of others not many were that bothered about Lamps going City until the truth started to unravel.

The only people clamoring for Cech's returns are his fan boys. Majority probably prefers Cech to leave instead of returning to no1. No need to generalise it mate.

[LAM09 6,822]

When is he actually going to drop players who constantly under perform?

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

When is he actually going to drop players who constantly under perform?

Never, well not until they do a Pepe and betray him in public

[LAM09 6,822]

Never, well not until they do a Pepe and betray him in public

I guessed as much.

[Reddish-Blue 2,375]

Some players are clearly not good enough, but the only excuse I can think of for a player like Salah playing so badly vs teams like Shrewsbury and Bradford is lack of confidence and game time. It's unreasonable to expect someone to play once in 2 months and play at a high level.

Zouma might be an exception, but not everyone can be like him.

The most interesting stat for Salah: He has been in the matchday squad only 9 out of 22 EPL games this season...and he's played only 33 minutes of football

Last season, after the 6-0 thrashing of Arsenal, he was involved in every EPL game..

[Tomo 21,733]

The only people clamoring for Cech's returns are his fan boys. Majority probably prefers Cech to leave instead of returning to no1. No need to generalise it mate.

Im not generalising, im not saying every one does of course not, but in a combination of here, facebook (people on my friends list not in groups) and real life a lot have said Cech should return.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

‘I find among my bad feelings about the game and the result, space to feel happy for Bradford,’ said Mourinho when it was time to talk to the media.

‘But I also feel ashamed and the players should feel exactly the same as I feel. By one side this is the beauty of football, because in not many sports is it possible for the best players to lose against a team or players with completely different potential.

‘By another side this is the beauty of the FA Cup because it happens in this more than in other countries, but this is only one part of my feelings and analysis. For the other part I repeat the words I used yesterday in the case that we lose, that it is a disgrace – a sports disgrace.’

‘I know that in the history of this competition this happens to every team now and again. For me it is the first time, for Chelsea it doesn’t happen a lot, and it is unacceptable to lose against a team from a lower league.

‘I don’t know what the media are going to do in relation to their work but if I was them I would be very critical of Chelsea, the Chelsea manager and the Chelsea players but not just that, because Bradford don’t deserve that we forgot them and just focus on the negative Chelsea. We should also focus on them because they deserve it after such an impressive result.’

‘What I did is normal. The players who played are not a team of kids and the selection was more than good enough.

‘The only player who comes from youth football, Andreas Christensen, did his job very well and we didn’t lose because of him. The other players are ones who have to be ready to play for Chelsea, they have to be ready to play any game. If they can’t play against a team from the Championship or League One or League Two, what do we do?’

‘I always said that I don’t choose competitions and we go match after match. The most important competition now is the Capital One Cup because it is the next game. Obviously the Premier League is in front of the cups but the way we prepare in a serious and a professional way, I can’t say we don’t care about the FA Cup. We lose and we care.

‘The players who were not involved directly in this game – Matic, Ivanovic, Diego Costa - I don’t think they can be affected by it. We lost at home against a lower division team and in an ideal word it will affect us in a positive not a negative way, like we have to win the next match and let’s go for it - but I don’t know. I have to feel it tomorrow and after tomorrow.’

My stupid feeling keep telling me Jose planned for this, to have the bounce back result for Pool game, and for the long term to focus more in PL.

If I were Brendan Rodgers, I don't want Chelsea losing against Bradford, right before Chelsea facing my team.

[Barbara 15,149]

^^ well, as it normally happens - I completely agree with Mourinho on basically everything.

We didn't lose because of Christensen, those players should get the job done against a third division team, no matter how long they haven't started a match and it's embarrassing.

Hopefully it will help the team in the long term, but we seriously need more players from the same profile we had in 2004... we do have a bunch of bottlers among a few warriors - and it concerns me.

I've came from very unhappy with Mourinho lately to understanding more why he's been so keen to the same selection over and and some tactics. The awful truth is this team while very technical, with some very skillful and talented players has many players that aren't born winners... it shows.

[Jase 43,479]

My stupid feeling keep telling me Jose planned for this, to have the bounce back result for Pool game, and for the long term to focus more in PL.

If I were Brendan Rodgers, I don't want Chelsea losing against Bradford, right before Chelsea facing my team.

CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALERT!!!

[LAB 1,030]

^^ well, as it normally happens - I completely agree with Mourinho on basically everything.

We didn't lose because of Christensen, those players should get the job done against a third division team, no matter how long they haven't started a match and it's embarrassing.

Hopefully it will help the team in the long term, but we seriously need more players from the same profile we had in 2004... we do have a bunch of bottlers among a few warriors - and it concerns me.

I've came from very unhappy with Mourinho lately to understanding more why he's been so keen to the same selection over and and some tactics. The awful truth is this team while very technical, with some very skillful and talented players has many players that aren't born winners... it shows.

I agree.This result today can only be a mental thing. You can't lose a two goal lead just because a player is tired or some other player didn't track back etc. Without watching the game one can only blame the team's mindset for such a result. Unfortunately it's a bigger problem than what it seams at first and it's worrying.

Also the fact that the "biggest shock in FA cup" was never televised is beyond be. What's more sick though is that it was actually possible to vote for a match you never saw! . But anyway, I guess that's better for us eventually.

[Victor Von Doom 258]

"Jose has lost it / fallen behind" lols!!!

5 pts clear. Wake up pls

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Best defense my foot. Madrid and Barcelona attack far more than we do and their so called rubbish defenders get isolated one on one against almost all their opponents they face but they handle it.

Our so called best defense has finally played in a Chelsea side which attacks more than the previous ones and they can't handle any pressure unless we park the bus. Bullshit defense.