The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

He is starting to talk like robot.

Anyway, he says he did HIS job. Anybody who watched the game did he close down after 2:0 or did he play open till end? If thats so, do we have so bad defence and mentality that we cant keep such lead even against lower teams while playing more open?

It happend several times now; City, United, Totenham, Bradford, Liverpool; we were leading, but didnt win in end, bit worrying.

Clearly it has gotta do with the mental attitude, the concentration and discipline. The Bradford game today was a classic example of the players, arguably, switching off and not bothered to compete after going 2-0 up.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Clearly it has gotta do with the mental attitude, the concentration and discipline. The Bradford game today was a classic example of the players, arguably, switching off and not bothered to compete after going 2-0 up.

Yeah and that worries me because Mou is known to be good motivator.

Also we conceded 3 goals after Cesc, Willian and Hazard came on pitch.

[Myself 793]

Lets be honest Mourinho has lost it, in the last 5 years he has been shit, he flatters to deceive but ultimately his no longer good enough

oh god

[iseah100 5,612]

Lol at people saying Jose is past it.

[manpe 10,861]

Respect to Jose for not hiding, but saying exactly what it was - an embarrassment, a failure by him and the players, and a special triumph for the smaller opposition. Shit happens, but I'm really pleased with how he finally assumes responsibility.

[bababoom 4,478]

It's funny.. when we win and win in style certain members are nowhere to be seen, once we lose they come out and repeat the same old negative shit about Jose... its pretty boring.

[Jase 43,479]

Yeah and that worries me because Mou is known to be good motivator.

Also we conceded 3 goals after Cesc, Willian and Hazard came on pitch.

He is but he can't do everything by himself if the players out there on the pitch do not motivate themselves and stand up to be counted. Think we can all agree that there's a genuine concern about the lack of leaders in the team. Terry and Drogba aside, who else can we really consider to be a true leader? Those 2 aren't going to be around forever. If the others don't step up now, then I don't know when they will.

[Ledg 642]

Respect to Jose for not hiding, but saying exactly what it was - an embarrassment, a failure by him and the players, and a special triumph for the smaller opposition. Shit happens, but I'm really pleased with how he finally assumes responsibility.

Yeah, it was good to hear it from him but I doubt it will happen after a bad performance in either the league or the CL. Surely he'll have some excuse then.

[DYC. 7,542]

I've noticed and remarked upon our clear defensive woes even when we've won while lots of people like to pretend they're not there. I would love to be proven wrong and for Mourinho to sort out our issues with pressing and compactness but it hasn't happened yet and doesn't look like happening anytime soon. Still I am surprised we conceded 9 to Tottenham and Bradford. That is some achievement.

Yeah, I have to say you called the issues in the team a long while back. Back when not one match was lost. It's a shame you were right.

Still have faith in winning silverware though.

[The Chels 2,502]

Anyway, he says he did HIS job. Anybody who watched the game did he close down after 2:0 or did he play open till end? If thats so, do we have so bad defence and mentality that we cant keep such lead even against lower teams while playing more open?

Disorganised/non-existent pressing + big gaps within midfield/between midfield and defence = allows opposition the ball in dangerous positions and closer to our box against individually weak defenders = more likely to concede.

We see the above in most games and the fact that Jose still hasn't fixed this suggests he's either happy with the defensive system we have in place or doesn't know how to change it. Instead of trying to limit the number of times the opposition get the ball in dangerous positions he seems to prefer to blame individuals when we concede from those positions (e.g. Schurrle v City). There is little defensive stability in the side except for when we park the bus - and that doesn't always go well as we saw at City away this season or away to Liverpool in the COC.

The bottom line is that we rely heavily on individuals for a good defence, notably Matic. And when those players have bad games or don't play then the limitations of the system are exposed.

[MuzzaFuzza 4]

Jose is done being a great manager. he will be sacked at the end of season and replaced by Simeone.

[Rom2013 446]

His decline, just like those before him is inevitable and a natural part of any sport. Only ferguson was able to maintain the incredible standard he set for him self over 2 decade till he retired (That's why He's the greatest manager of all time). Great managers almost always fall off and lose their mojo overtime. Wenger,ottmar hitzfeld, Van gaal,Capello, Hiddink,Trapattoni,et al.

I do believe he's still good enough to win league titles every now and then though but he's showing gradual signs of decline overall. it will take a few more years before he completey and inevitably lose his mojo

Like when Ferguson was eliminated in the CHampions League in the stage group by Benfica with Ronaldo and Rooney on the pitch. That was increadible. People here moan about semi finals... imagine if we are eliminated in the stage group of the Champions League (I think it happened more than one time but I'm not sure).

[BlueLion. 21,491]

It's funny.. when we win and win in style certain members are nowhere to be seen, once we lose they come out and repeat the same old negative shit about Jose... its pretty boring.

We win and it's the player's who deserve all the plaudits.

We lose and Mourinho is a clueless cunt.

I'm not sure what has annoyed me most today; being criticised for not being a proper Chelsea fan as in the grand scheme of things I'm not overly bothered about the FA Cup, or seeing the same cretins creep out of the woodwork to splurge their dirge across this forum.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

He is but he can't do everything by himself if the players out there on the pitch do not motivate themselves and stand up to be counted. Think we can all agree that there's a genuine concern about the lack of leaders in the team. Terry and Drogba aside, who else can we really consider to be a true leader? Those 2 aren't going to be around forever. If the others don't step up now, then I don't know when they will.

Exactly and thats why it bothers me why do we still look after players like Douglas Costa (appatently)? We need experienced leaders who can take responsibility when its necessary. We dont need more young players. They simply dont fit into Mourinho's type of tactics, plans and mentality.

And worse, even Hazard, Costa and Cesc for example are no where near level of leader that Terry, Lamps, Drogba were or Zanetti, Cambiasso, Etoo (when Mou was at inter).

All that said, I was not convinced not last season or this season, that this chelsea team IS the one to win it all and absolute favourite like many say. It will took few more years to get there, more time for Hazard to fully mature, for Cesc and Costa to take lead of this team properly (Drogba or Lamps werent leaders imediately either).

But buying players like Douglas Costa is defo not helping Mou and I think him buying players like Schurrle, Salah or Willian (all young talent) instead of fully mature players who would be ready to reach peak now when we NEED titles, might be big mistake from Mou. He wants trophies now, but these players he was buying will take few more years to peak.

Thats why having Oscar, Willian in this team gives many positives but also many negatives. They aint Mou type of players mentaly. Might be talented or hard working, but mentaly no where near ready.

What makes problem bigger is that Ramires, Mikel, Remy etc who are at peak dont step up either.

Probably looking after Reus, Varane or Pogba wouldnt be that great either if we want trophies now. Vidal, Otamendi, Turan, Godin...(just throwing some names) have much better mentality and profile of Mourinho's leader than those young players.

Having Mourinho and long term youth project (Hazard, Willian - who aint even young anymore, Oscar, Salah, Schurrle,...) may not be best option. Hazard stands out due to his immense quality, but even he cant win games regulary like Lamps or Drogba did - yet.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

It's not so much a decline in ability but more that his methods have become dated. Football evolves; you either change with it or get left behind, and I feel that's happening with Mourinho to some extent. The Liverpool game was scandalous. No other top European team would go to Anfield and play as cowardly a game as we did - no other big team shows the same lack of ambition we did that night. And what's crazy is we have fans who think having 2 shots on goal is some sort of tactical masterclass. Tactically I've always thought he was a bit overrated to be honest; he does what many managers do but has had the advantage of having some of the best players in the world at his disposal.

This times a x1000

[The Chels 2,502]

We win and it's the player's who deserve all the plaudits. We lose and Mourinho is a clueless cunt. I'm not sure what has annoyed me most today; being criticised for not being a proper Chelsea fan as in the grand scheme of things I'm not overly bothered about the FA Cup, or seeing the same cretins creep out of the woodwork to splurge their dirge across this forum.

Mourinho tends to get just as much praise as the players when we win if not more, especially against the big sides. So surely it is only fair he is criticised when things go the other way.

[Fernando 6,496]

Like when Ferguson was eliminated in the CHampions League in the stage group by Benfica with Ronaldo and Rooney on the pitch. That was increadible. People here moan about semi finals... imagine if we are eliminated in the stage group of the Champions League (I think it happened more than one time but I'm not sure).

And this is why it's foolish to sack a manager after one bad season.

Like we did with Carlo, one good and one bad season. Should at least have giving him his third season.

Mourinho has not done nothing worthy of sacking, lately the results are not that great but we are not like in relegation zone.

The man should continue with his contract. After that is when the club should take the decision if it's good to continue with him or not.

At the moment I don't see a case to have Mourinho for the long term. 5 to 6 years should be the max he can get if we continue in this trend.

But let's see how we finish the season, still PL and CL to fight for.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Respect to Jose for not hiding, but saying exactly what it was - an embarrassment, a failure by him and the players, and a special triumph for the smaller opposition. Shit happens, but I'm really pleased with how he finally assumes responsibility.

He had no other choice really. He would have looked a massive fool if he started making excuses for that. No one would have bought it.