Ainsley Harriott 2,732 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 dont be crazy!!! he is only 21.3 loan spells. a new deal in 2018 and then sold to some arbit team.thats how we roll!!!How stupid of me! Fortunately we can rely on Ivanovic until then. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Or he is a great young player , who needs time to Settle. Time not afforded to him , because of a managers incessantly unreasonable squad selection at fullback.Maybe, and that's what I'd like to believe. But at same time, Mourinho is no fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Maybe, and that's what I'd like to believe. But at same time, Mourinho is no fool.At Madrid he had a quite stubborn fetish for Arbeloa also, sold Carvajal. Pretty much infuriated a lot of people.Something about incompetent Rb with this guy. Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Mourinho is protecting him. Easing the player into the club and a higher standard. He could have very easily thrown him to the sharks and made him start games against the likes of Arsenal. In the off hand that he got torn to shreds by Walcott in one of his first games would not have helped in any way. The last time Mourinho was using a young fullback was Santon. He [santon] fucked up one game and got chewed out by Mourinho and started crying, he couldn't deal with the pressure and criticisms. Maybe Baba can, I don't know but sometimes it is better to err on the side of caution than just rushing things.Ivanovic is terrible but he isn't a precocious stage of development. He is mentally strong enough to withstand being told he is shit. Blue_Fox_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Mourinho is protecting him. Easing the player into the club and a higher standard. He could have very easily thrown him to the sharks and made him start games against the likes of Arsenal. In the off hand that he got torn to shreds by Walcott in one of his first games would not have helped in any way. The last time Mourinho was using a young fullback was Santon. He [santon] fucked up one game and got chewed out by Mourinho and started crying, he couldn't deal with the pressure and criticisms. Maybe Baba can, I don't know but sometimes it is better to err on the side of caution than just rushing things.Ivanovic is terrible but he isn't a precocious stage of development. He is mentally strong enough to withstand being told he is shit.Ancelotti had no problems throwing Carvajal into the first team after having a similar season to Rahman over at Leverkusen. You're telling me the likes of Bellerin & Shaw can start in the PL no problems but Baba is the mentally fragile & frail defender that needs to be handled with the utmost care? He's a far better player than Ivanovic, play him.Stop making excuses for Mourinho. He's just a coward that will always play his favourites no matter what. Despiadado.Maleante 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Ancelotti had no problems throwing Carvajal into the first team after having a similar season to Rahman over at Leverkusen. You're telling me the likes of Bellerin & Shaw can start in the PL no problems but Baba is the mentally fragile & frail defender that needs to be handled with the utmost care? He's a far better player than Ivanovic, play him.Stop making excuses for Mourinho. He's just a coward that will always play his favourites no matter what.Azpilicueta was eased in. It seemed to work for him. Santon was eased in. It didn't work for him. Ivanovic was eased in. It worked for him. Bellerin was also eased in last season, only playing 20 games. I never said that he mentally fragile or frail; it seems you have taken what I've posted, misunderstood it and then attack it in a flurry of confusion.It is 6 bloody games in, have some damn patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Mourinho is protecting him. Easing the player into the club and a higher standard.It's so cute that you genuinely believe that. Baba is a league cup player for Mourinho, until we get kicked out of that competition. Was Luis also being eased in or just getting shunned for our manager's favourites? The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Azpilicueta was eased in. It seemed to work for him. Santon was eased in. It didn't work for him. Ivanovic was eased in. It worked for him. Bellerin was also eased in last season, only playing 20 games. I never said that he mentally fragile or frail; it seems you have taken what I've posted, misunderstood it and then attack it in a flurry of confusion.It is 6 bloody games in, have some damn patience.Gotta agree - although I think it will be inexcusable for Ivanovic not to get dropped after the shit show that has gone on for the last 6 games - although I expect it to be for Zouma at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's so cute that you genuinely believe that. Baba is a league cup player for Mourinho, until we get kicked out of that competition. Was Luis also being eased in or just getting shunned for our manager's favourites?If you can't tell the difference in circumstance between all the players listed earlier and Filipe Luis than you've no hope. Hint: Filipe Luis is 30, whilst all the over players at the time were a decade or more younger. You just saw last season, a player that was eased into the team; Zouma and it is happening right now with Loftus-Cheek. It is in front of your eyes but you blinded by the fact that Filipe Luis left. It is pretty easy to cherry pick, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 If you can't tell the difference in circumstance between all the players listed earlier and Filipe Luis than you've no hope. Hint: Filipe Luis is 30, whilst all the over players at the time were a decade or more younger. You just saw last season, a player that was eased into the team; Zouma and it is happening right now with Loftus-Cheek. It is in front of your eyes but you blinded by the fact that Filipe Luis left. It is pretty easy to cherry pick, isn't it?Do you think Baba deserves and has deserved more chances ahead of Ivanovic right now and earlier in the season? Do you think Luis deserved more chances last season? "Yes" or "no" questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Do you think Baba deserves and has deserved more chances ahead of Ivanovic right now and earlier in the season? Do you think Luis deserved more chances last season? "Yes" or "no" questions.No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth.You talk about being protected and eased in, how many minutes exactly has he got in the premier league? I think the answer is a big fat zero. And that despite our defence leaking worse than ever before mainly from our right side, and what has been tried to rectify the situation? Dropping a left-sided central defender? I guess that's worked wonders so far. This is beyond age, protection and adaptation. It's about using the squad to its full extent and exploring different possibilities and potentials, which hasn't been done. He is protecting someone, but it's not Baba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth.Luis never had the position in the first place. He rarely got chances. Not sure what games you think he had enough. He rarely came in for rotation and only played more than one successive game it seems when Azpi got sent off against Palace. Other than that he was not given a chance to prove himself. Just seemed a pointless buy as we did not utilize him much and he is a very good LB. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You talk about being protected and eased in, how many minutes exactly has he got in the premier league? I think the answer is a big fat zero. And that despite our defence leaking worse than ever before mainly from our right side, and what has been tried to rectify the situation? Dropping a left-sided central defender? I guess that's worked wonders so far. This is beyond age, protection and adaptation. It's about using the squad to its full extent and exploring different possibilities and potentials, which hasn't been done. He is protecting someone, but it's not Baba.Very rare for ANY manager to replace a misfiring senior with an unknown young player in a time like this when the team is performing poorly. Unless the young player is showing signs in training that he is more than ready - we can give the benefit of the doubt and assume he hasn't been showing signs of being ready: looking for a house... is shy... difficult communicating... etc we don't know but have to assume our coaches are not quacks.Now if we start talking about the squad and our quiet transfer window, then I'm with most here. The squad makes no sense and is nowhere near the level to compete against the top teams in Europe regardless of form - wrote that before the start of the season. We just have too many average and "projects" at the moment. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 1) I get that you want to steadily introduce him to the team but that requires rotation - something Mourinho is scared off. Where are games that he is supposed to play ? Why not against Porto ? Now we have must-win against Dynamo in the Champions League - looks like Baba has to wait until Maccabi to have his chance in the Champions League. So maybe Capital One Cup ? Now we have Stoke AWAY, why would he play there if he can't play in the Premier League ?He absolutely should play on Saturday if he doesn't we're very short in games that he can actually play.I get it you don't want to baptize him through fire and throw him at Old Trafford but Southampton at home ?The second thing is that I don't know why he isn't ready when our opponents actually PLAY inexperienced left-backs in 19 years old Galloway and 20 years Mbabu (who?) and somehow they cope with it - why the better player like Baba can't play ? They can throw youth at us but we can't at them even though we have full-international at our disposal FFS !2) He cost 25m€. He didn't play against Porto. Because it's too risky ? Because it's away and he could not cope with it ? It's absolutely hilarious that 25m€ player is on our bench and not ready when he would be THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER IN HISTORY for our opponent. You can't make up stuff like this. Peace., zolayes and Last Sicarius 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 1) I get that you want to steadily introduce him to the team but that requires rotation - something Mourinho is scared off. Where are games that he is supposed to play ? Why not against Porto ? Now we have must-win against Dynamo in the Champions League - looks like Baba has to wait until Maccabi to have his chance in the Champions League. So maybe Capital One Cup ? Now we have Stoke AWAY, why would he play there if he can't play in the Premier League ?He absolutely should play on Saturday if he doesn't we're very short in games that he can actually play.I get it you don't want to baptize him through fire and throw him at Old Trafford but Southampton at home ?The second thing is that I don't know why he isn't ready when our opponents actually PLAY inexperienced left-backs in 19 years old Galloway and 20 years Mbabu (who?) and somehow they cope with it - why the better player like Baba can't play ? They can throw youth at us but we can't at them even though we have full-international at our disposal FFS !2) He cost 25m. He didn't play against Porto. Because it's too risky ? Because it's away and he could not cope with it ? It's absolutely hilarious that 25m player is on our bench and not ready when he would be THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER IN HISTORY for our opponent. You can't make up stuff like this.You make good points but not the price tag one. Esp when comparing with Porto. Porto goes buy a player in Brazil he cost X if Chelsea goes buy the same player it's 2*x.Reckon if the team were playing well baba would have already played more. But we don't know his state of mind or what he's been doing in training but we pretend to know all the same.Plus we all talk about Jose as if he made all the decisions alone which is not true. He has the last word but many coaches are watching these players and telling him what they think. Jose has even signed players based on reports alone from people who report to him.Now we also know Jose is indeed shy on rotation and the squad itself isn't built for rotation imo.Final point : finally watched Porto first goal and ivsnovic is hardly the only one to blame. Which brings me to my recurring point, replace him and little will change.The problem is always in the middle and our midfield was poor against Porto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You make good points but not the price tag one. Esp when comparing with Porto. Porto goes buy a player in Brazil he cost X if Chelsea goes buy the same player it's 2*x.Kenedy ? He cost the price that Porto is paying for those Brazilians. Chelsea is hardly milked nowadays.Yes, it's incredible that we have a player who's not ready to play against a team he would be the most expensive in their history. Could you imagine Porto wouldn't play Imbula (their most expensive signing ever) because they think he's not ready to play against Chelsea ?Let alone price, if Porto had Baba he would play against Chelsea, I'm 99% sure about it - why he can't play against Porto ? It's similar what I wrote above - Galloway can play against Chelsea but you can be absolutely sure at Chelsea he wouldn't be "ready" to play against Everton. didierforever and Blue-in-me-Veins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We need a LB more than ever, but he's stuck on the bench. I haven't got a clue who are signing players now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despiadado.Maleante 1,046 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Let's be honest. A prime Roberto Carlos wouldn't start here with Ivanovic in the team. DDA, killer1257, The Chels and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakhov 253 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Let's be honest. A prime Roberto Carlos wouldn't start here with Ivanovic in the team.Great going forward but defensively suspect. Who needs a fullback that can attack, cross, shoot and score blinders once in a while.R.Carlos won't be able to take the goal-kick punt to the head which is our patented move. Azpi as LB and the one-footed R.Carlos as RB, that would be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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