nadavTKL 1,787 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Augsburg can judge it how they will from the euros side, that's up to them. For me my only concern is Chelsea and we paid £14M, no matter how you cut it. With the possibility to go up to £17.5M depending on performances. That's not expensive when you consider some of the deals that have gone down this summer. For me a maximum of £17.5M for a 21 year old LB who is already good and looks like he has the potential to be a top player in the future is a good price. Especially considering Rodriguez is mooted to cost around £30M and Shaw went to Utd last summer for £30M aswell.You're right about that.The issue of judging prices is that the British market became so crazy that £14m is small for a 21 yo LB. PL clubs can pay over the odds for players from France, Germany, Spain, and they wont feel bad about that. And the selling team, they are happy about getting so much money, a lot more than the "real value" of the player. Its happening in the last two-three years a lot and it will continue to happen even more, especially with the smaller clubs in PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Ivanovic is vice captain, he's not getting dropped.It's hard to think how the the team would perform without Ivanovic in the side given that he's a regular starter, but when Ivanovic himself starts to fuck up, you do have a cause for concern at Right Back! Do you go for a different approach and change up the "ever reliable" defence from last season (NOTE: can lead to gambles being made that may or may not be costly), or do you bite the bullet, stick with Ivanovic and hope his form improves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It's hard to think how the the team would perform without Ivanovic in the side given that he's a regular starter, but when Ivanovic himself starts to fuck up, you do have a cause for concern at Right Back! Do you go for a different approach and change up the "ever reliable" defence from last season (NOTE: can lead to gambles being made that may or may not be costly), or do you bite the bullet, stick with Ivanovic and hope his form improves? strong in the air and strong shielding the ball, but getting worse on overall defending and still looks like merely a gifted CB on the wing during attacks. Need a real fullback, sorry. Today's game requires capability on attack from those fullback areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It's hard to think how the the team would perform without Ivanovic in the side given that he's a regular starter, but when Ivanovic himself starts to fuck up, you do have a cause for concern at Right Back! Do you go for a different approach and change up the "ever reliable" defence from last season (NOTE: can lead to gambles being made that may or may not be costly), or do you bite the bullet, stick with Ivanovic and hope his form improves? push ivan into centre back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 push ivan into centre backBaffles me when people suggest thisWe've seen his lack of tactical awareness at right back, as clear as day. Why would you want to put him there instead of a very tactically astute Cahill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Baffles me when people suggest thisWe've seen his lack of tactical awareness at right back, as clear as day. Why would you want to put him there instead of a very tactically astute Cahill?I think it's more to cater for Mourinhos obsession with playing him. We all know that the best place for Ivan is on the bench. Though we also know that this probably will not happen this season as Jose bums the life out of him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Baffles me when people suggest thisWe've seen his lack of tactical awareness at right back, as clear as day. Why would you want to put him there instead of a very tactically astute Cahill?cahill had a few dodgy moments last season i cant see why not ivan challenge him for the cb postion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 cahill had a few dodgy moments last season i cant see why not ivan challenge him for the cb postion Because Cahill has played cb all his life and is a smart footballer, unlike Ivanovic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Because Cahill has played cb all his life and is a smart footballer, unlike Ivanovic.fair point mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic weeds 446 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ivanovic is vice captain, he's not getting dropped.Well, The Captain of Real Madrid, was practically booted out of the team. José can do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Annoys me that almost every report is selling this as £21.7m when the actual deal is based on potential add-ons, did exactly the same with Lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Baffles me when people suggest thisWe've seen his lack of tactical awareness at right back, as clear as day. Why would you want to put him there instead of a very tactically astute Cahill?Ivanovic CAN play at centre back.. I've seen him play there before, he played like a warrior there against Spartak Moscow in the 4-1 Champions League win at the bridge in 2010-11 and even scored TWO in that game! That was my initial expectation of him when Avram Grant signed him in 2008, but I think Carvalho and Terry already had the CB places rooted at that time, and in order for Ivanovic to get games, he was pushed over to Right Back... seemingly did a good job there in the early days up until now... over that time it's almost certain he's turned out better as a right back than he is a centre back. People seem to forget the above, that he is capable of such a trait.. the fact that he is hardly ever used at CB is why that seems to be the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ivanovic CAN play at centre back.. I've seen him play there before, he played like a warrior there against Spartak Moscow in the 4-1 Champions League win at the bridge in 2010-11 and even scored TWO in that game! That was my initial expectation of him when Avram Grant signed him in 2008, but I think Carvalho and Terry already had the CB places rooted at that time, and in order for Ivanovic to get games, he was pushed over to Right Back... seemingly did a good job there in the early days up until now... over that time it's almost certain he's turned out better as a right back than he is a centre back. People seem to forget the above, that he is capable of such a trait.. the fact that he is hardly ever used at CB is why that seems to be the case!5 years ago......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Hopefully he is so solid that he cements the LB position and Cesar moves to RB with Ivanovic as backup CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 5 years ago.........He played cb with luiz under rafa. Conceded like 1 goal in 11 games. Which was an azpi own goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 £14 million? Excellent if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Well, The Captain of Real Madrid, was practically booted out of the team. José can do anything.That was more because of Casillas' shenanigans off the pitch. He broke the trust between him and Mourinho. Ivanovic wouldn't do that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanSnake 1,211 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 To say this deal has been 'close' for a week, haven't really heard anything new about the deal except that the fee has continually been upped.Dunno why but even when we actually try to sign players, we leave to be drawn out long and constantly with twists and turns. Feel like the negotiators are writers for EastEnders sometimes.Wonder whose going to be the father to Jose's baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 £14m eh? Not too shabby!Is there going to be confirmation of this today?? On the Chelsea website?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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