Next Manager?

[Tomo 20,985]

41 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That's a fairly small sample coinciding with a lot of the teams at the top dropping points unexpectedly. We're averaging 1.8 points per match in the EPL (18 from 10 matches). Over a season that would give you 68/9 points. Most seasons that wouldn't even get you top 4. 

Quality is subjective. What isn't is the league table. After 26 rounds, i.e. more than two-thirds of the season in, we have constantly been in the bottom half. We've been waiting 7 months this season for a magical resurgence that keeps getting more and more unlikely to come. 

 

Excuse me? 

 

Performance wise Tottenham have been above everyone in the league this season. I think we can objectively say that. And as I said Arsenal have a working system and a lot of chemistry, unlike us. United are having a equally bad season as us, but they will spend more in the market and have Jose who will have them punching 10 points above their weight.

I'm sorry, but saying that there is NO CHANCE we will finish bottom half is just arrogance. We are currently deservedly in the bottom half of the table. There are no guarantees that we'll play well enough to rise to the top half in the last third of the season. 

Most yes, but this season isnt most season's, the league champions this year are likely to be with 75 points possibly less, so if you look at our form under Guus in the context of how mad this season is and how many points will win it, then we are top 4 form and not far off the title form, as the table since the Dutchman took over demonstrates.

Also re the last bit, I remember having this debate when we were struggling near relegation and I said then we won't get relegated, in fact I had a bet with a friend that if we get relegatedI'd buy a Spurs shirt and wear it out on the piss every time until we got promoted again, that's how sure I was it wasn't happening.

I'd do a bet here just not so extreme, if we finish bottom half I'll let you have control off what my username is until we re secure a top half finish, over 38 games I simply cannot see us being bottom half, yes I know we have played 26 but I'm a big believer in the cream always rising, we are picking up momentum which has led us up four places and I think we will do enough between now and May to get up another 4 at least.

[xPetrCechx 13,332]

Chelsea want Antonio Conte to keep Steve Holland on backroom staff

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12174759/Chelsea-want-Antonio-Conte-to-keep-Steve-Holland-as-assistant-manager.html

[lucio 4,474]

let him bring his own guys. Not sure why losing Holland would matter

[Fernando 6,137]

2 minutes ago, lucio said:

let him bring his own guys. Not sure why losing Holland would matter

 

Because it's good to keep him around like it was when we had Ray Wilkins.

[xPetrCechx 13,332]

2 minutes ago, lucio said:

let him bring his own guys. Not sure why losing Holland would matter

Steve is a top top lad... doing his best for cfc!

Conte will bring his ows guys too:

The Italy coach is determined to bring trusted coaches Angelo Alessio, Massimo Carrera and Paolo Bertelli with him, as well as scout Mauro Sandreani.

[xPetrCechx 13,332]

Hiddink wants Chelsea decision

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10182408/guus-hiddink-keen-for-end-to-speculation-over-chelseas-next-manager

[BlueLion. 21,484]

Give it to Steve Holland, give him £200 million, and watch him whip, and watch him nae-nae.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

6 hours ago, Zenza001 said:

We beat Dortmund without conceding a goal in 180 minutes and we made five, indeed only an own goal for dortmund, we beat Real Madrid and we played with Barcelona until that damn penalty not whistled just before the Suarez goal of 2 to 1 ....
This year we beat City 2 times and recovered a very difficult match against Bayern who scored 1 irregular goal, with a penalty not given for vidal hands
We are not complaining Allegri.
I just explained how things went, and if Juve will come out champions in 2 weeks is just because he met with Bayern, no matter how you stay in the competition, but against who you play.

 

I'm sorry but I do not think what you say is correct. Things you have to analyze it better.

Having watched Juve under both Conte & Allegri, what is your honest opinion? What Juve do you think it was the best? The one under Conte or this Juve under Allegri? 

I know Conte had a terrific record in Serie A with Juve & only 6-7 losses in over 100+ matches, but there was a lot of matches that ended in a draw as well. Does Conte have trouble with unlocking packed defences? And how is he as a coach - goes for another goal after his team opens the score, or does he tend to protect that score and hit on the counter attack? 

Another question would be - what about his personality? How is Conte during press conferences? Is he conflictual? Or is he calm? Tends to get irritated at the very first "stupid" question? Likes to regard himself as better than everyone?

I know he left Juventus because the club did not want to pump money into the team, but was there any locker room problems as well? Did the players get fed up with his tactics and wanted him to leave?

And one final question - Given Chelsea's current situation, if you would have to choose between Conte and Allegri, who do you think would be a better fit for Chelsea? Who do you think would be the fastest to bring Chelsea back to challenging for EPL title? Conte or Allegri?

[Tautvix 1,321]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

 

Because it's good to keep him around like it was when we had Ray Wilkins.

So yet again we would be telling the manager what staff members to have, what players to buy. We all know how this is gonna end.

[quickpassnmove 922]

Conte is from the south of Italy.

This is the most encouraging article I've seen written on a potential Chelsea manager ever. I typically ignore Juventus, so I cannot comment on its content.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2016/2/25/11116880/antonio-conte-chelsea-profile

Except that this, I know, rings true: "  If Andrea Pirlo is marked and an out ball to a wingback or a centre forward is not on, then Conte will ask his centre back to gallop forward with the ball. This is something Leonardo Bonucci did wonderfully while at Juventus. It is one of the easiest ways to disrupt an opponent's defensive structure - as they do not anticipate the centre back stepping beyond both the lone forward and the number ten. "

Even if you don't want to read this entire article, take a look at the section called "Profile of Player."

 

 

[Tomo 20,985]

2 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

So yet again we would be telling the manager what staff members to have, what players to buy. We all know how this is gonna end

[Chelsea4 1,521]

22 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Having watched Juve under both Conte & Allegri, what is your honest opinion? What Juve do you think it was the best? The one under Conte or this Juve under Allegri? 

I know Conte had a terrific record in Serie A with Juve & only 6-7 losses in over 100+ matches, but there was a lot of matches that ended in a draw as well. Does Conte have trouble with unlocking packed defences? And how is he as a coach - goes for another goal after his team opens the score, or does he tend to protect that score and hit on the counter attack? 

Another question would be - what about his personality? How is Conte during press conferences? Is he conflictual? Or is he calm? Tends to get irritated at the very first "stupid" question? Likes to regard himself as better than everyone?

I know he left Juventus because the club did not want to pump money into the team, but was there any locker room problems as well? Did the players get fed up with his tactics and wanted him to leave?

And one final question - Given Chelsea's current situation, if you would have to choose between Conte and Allegri, who do you think would be a better fit for Chelsea? Who do you think would be the fastest to bring Chelsea back to challenging for EPL title? Conte or Allegri?

Let me answer your questions.

1.No,he doesn't have a problem with unlocking packed defences and Conte had some big wins againts big clubs like Napoli,Roma,Fiorentina.In the first season Conte had 15 draws but he didn't lose a single game,in the second season he had 6 draws and in the third season Conte had 3 draws.

2.It depends on the team he is playing againts he usually goes for another goal but also knows to wait for counter-attacks and to score 2-3 goals.

3.His press conferences are normal.

4.No,the players loved Conte.    

6.We need a manager who can rebuild the team and thats Conte who rebuilded Juventus and has won 3 concesutive Seri A titles.Allegri is good but not good enough for this Chelsea.

[Tomo 20,985]

3 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

So yet again we would be telling the manager what staff members to have, what players to buy. We all know how this is gonna end.

I don't see what the problem is, that's been our way with manager's for years, we have a club assistant who's there regardless of the gaffer (Steve Clarke, Wilkins now Holland) and the manager has spaces for his own staff, like Mou has Rui Faria for example.

If all our previous managers can do it Idon't see why Antonio should or will be an exception.

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[Pizy 15,900]

Think Steve Holland should be a certainty rather than a choice one way or the other. We need someone who is familiar with the players and can help the transition under a manager with limited English vocabulary. Someone the players know and trust.

[Fernando 6,137]

1 hour ago, quickpassnmove said:

Conte is from the south of Italy.

This is the most encouraging article I've seen written on a potential Chelsea manager ever. I typically ignore Juventus, so I cannot comment on its content.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2016/2/25/11116880/antonio-conte-chelsea-profile

Except that this, I know, rings true: "  If Andrea Pirlo is marked and an out ball to a wingback or a centre forward is not on, then Conte will ask his centre back to gallop forward with the ball. This is something Leonardo Bonucci did wonderfully while at Juventus. It is one of the easiest ways to disrupt an opponent's defensive structure - as they do not anticipate the centre back stepping beyond both the lone forward and the number ten. "

Even if you don't want to read this entire article, take a look at the section called "Profile of Player."

 

 

 

Good read thanks for the link.

Yeah before Mourinho came I wanted a manager that can bring talent and able to work good with a moderate budget. Of course we are a rich club and we will spend big, but not always. We can't spend big every transfer window and that's where bringing in some youth would help.

This why before Klopp and Conte where my favorite choices before. We missed out on Klopp....but even if we was for the running I think we wouldn't have won that one. Because Klopp was big on going to Liverpool. He often talked about the atmosphere like being as Dortmund and that was his pull.

I knew Klopp was going to be bad this season but I thorough expect him to be much better next season.

In similar fashion it would be for Conte. I don't expect to win the tittle next season, we will be the "little horse" but after one season he should also take a better grasp of everything.

 

As things stands, this leagues keeps getting interesting and more interesting. Before I wanted Pep and Mourinho in the league. Then when i saw Klopp and Conte with Dortmund and Juventus I was like men they would be awesome.

Now we will have Pep, Mourinho, Klopp, Conte, Pochetino, and Wenger. Then you got other mangers with not big pedigree but doing good like Koeman, Florez, Raniere....

Men what an amazing hard league this is about to get. Now if only my crazy fool of Bielsa would come to manage a team like Swansea or heck even Sampoli. Bring more and more top coaches to make this league even harder and harder!

[xPetrCechx 13,332]

Potential #Chelsea signings were discussed on Thursday and Antonio Conte could be allowed to spend £150million. [Mail]

Despite that vast kitty, #Chelsea are keen to make sure he takes an interest in youth development, which Conte is willing to do. [Mail]

July 14 and 15 have been earmarked as dates for Antonio Conte’s unveiling by #Chelsea — the week after the Euro 2016 final in Paris. [Mail]

[quickpassnmove 922]

That is beautiful, xPetrCechx.

 

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

As things stands, this leagues keeps getting interesting and more interesting. Before I wanted Pep and Mourinho in the league. Then when i saw Klopp and Conte with Dortmund and Juventus I was like men they would be awesome.

Now we will have Pep, Mourinho, Klopp, Conte, Pochetino, and Wenger. Then you got other mangers with not big pedigree but doing good like Koeman, Florez, Raniere....

I was hoping for something like a  Koeman or Klopp (but not actually Klopp, I think, because it seems he was meant to go elsewhere) myself, but it's honestly hard for me to make a decision as I've watched less and less football in the past 5 years. I am sucking up the Conte hype to give my football a good feeling again for the future.  Selling Luiz and finally dumping Torres were excellent moments in recent years, but the return of sour Mourinho was always going to feel like a mix of positive and negative emotions for me. 

Conte seems as good a choice as any out there!  I certainly wanted a less-aged manager and this one has very good experience so far!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

16 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Under Guus we'd be third in the league right now, easily challenging for the title. 

As I've explained in a later post, it is a fairly small sample under Guus, but still we are averaging 1.8 points per match, or a 68 point season, which usually wouldn't get you top four let alone challenge for the title. Even in the current season where all the teams at the top are dropping points, with an average of 1.8 per game we'd still currently be in 5th with 46 points. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

1 minute ago, CHOULO19 said:

As I've explained in a later post, it is a fairly small sample under Guus, but still we are averaging 1.8 points per match, or a 68 point season, which usually wouldn't get you top four let alone challenge for the title. Even in the current season where all the teams at the top are dropping points, with an average of 1.8 per game we'd still currently be in 5th with 46 points. 

1.8 x 26 is 46.8, so we'd have to round up to 47 points which would put us level with City who are 4th, and 6 points off top. If that's not still challenging for the title I don't know what is...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

42 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

1.8 x 26 is 46.8, so we'd have to round up to 47 points which would put us level with City who are 4th, and 6 points off top. If that's not still challenging for the title I don't know what is...

Come off it Skip, no team has EVER won the PL with 1.8 points per match.

Our performances and result have not been anywhere near title-winning standards either. I think 5-1 against Newcastle and City's reserve team has skewed many people's evaluation.