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1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

If he is truly looking for a project and the opportunity to build a club in his image then the choice is obvious. I for one think he's toying with us and Utd, he will ultimately go work for the people he knows and trusts in Txiki and Ferran.

The only thing that may swing the pendulum in our favour is London and whether or not his wife has any say in where they want to live. Outside of that we are pretty much never gonna get him... He almost joined in 2013 but the appointment of Rafa salted him on our business practices(who can blame him?) 

City don't have a lot of movable pieces so for him to build his own team would require a complete overhaul. Kompany is injury prone and 30 this year, Yaya is 33, Silva 29 but still highly effective. Their main pieces going forward are Sterling, De Bruyne, Aguero, Bony(?)

On paper we look the more appetizing proposition Terry is done. Ivanovic, Cahill, Remy and Falcao don't look to be part of the long term outlook.

Our main pieces are Costa, Willian, Hazard, Zouma, Courtois, Azpilicueta and maybe Matic... are those pieces along with serviceable pieces he's worked with in the past like Pedro and Fab enough to attract him to London? We do have movable pieces as well like Oscar, Ramires, Mikel...

I'm not sure, at this point my money is on the favourite in Man City but we do make for a compelling option even without Europe next year.

It's a good thing Arsenal have no ambition. In the PL, they're the perfect club for him. Stable, money, similar football ideology, attractive to top players, talented squad only in need of tweaks. He could possibly take them to a new level. But they're interested in making money for the most part.

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31 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

 

JT is probably the best bet for that. Always talked about going into coaching and very analytical apparently. 

I think there's a world of difference between where Barca were when Guardiola took over and where we are right now. They were already 5 years into a new plan and when they won the Champions League in 2006 they had the likes of Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi and Valdes in the squad whilst Messi is emerging as a once in a lifetime talent. Pep took them to that next level but the job we need someone to do goes beyond that.

We need someone to kickstart what happened a few years before Guardiola and I don't think he's it. What he is perfect for is taking Man City to that next level and I think that's just what he'll do.

If we actually want to develop on what we've got then Simeone is probably the man we need.

I don't know, that's easy to say in hindsight. You have to credit Pep for taking the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol etc. to the next level. They were just talents at the time. Yeah, Messi is definitely a once in a lifetime talent but you have to again give some credit to Pep for nurturing him into the star he is today. Barcelona were definitely on the wane when he took over.

Pep, or Simeone would both be great options because they both have strong philosophies. They're very different though. It's up to the club to see what way we want to go. I'd be happy with either tbh. I think Simeone is a lot more difficult to prize away because that Atletico team is full of young talent. 

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1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

I don't know, that's easy to say in hindsight. You have to credit Pep for taking the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol etc. to the next level. They were just talents at the time. Yeah, Messi is definitely a once in a lifetime talent but you have to again give some credit to Pep for nurturing him into the star he is today. 

Pep, or Simeone would both be great options because they both have strong philosophies. They're very different though. It's up to the club to see what way we want to go. I'd be happy with either tbh. I think Simeone is a lot more difficult to prize away because that Atletico team is full of young talent. 

Which one would work better alongside Mike? Or if neither one is a good choice would Rodgers be a better fit? 

Could Mike be coach as well? He doesn't have a track record but does that matter?

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2 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

Which one would work better alongside Mike? Or if neither one is a good choice would Rodgers be a better fit? 

Could Mike be coach as well? He doesn't have a track record but does that matter?

Emenalo works with the manager, not the other way around. So in a sense he's there to assist the manager. He's really not that influential. 

Could Mike be a coach? Who knows? I'm not sure what that adds to the discussion though, we're not talking about Emenalo here. 

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14 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Emenalo works with the manager, not the other way around. So in a sense he's there to assist the manager. He's really not that influential. 

Could Mike be a coach? Who knows? I'm not sure what that adds to the discussion though, we're not talking about Emenalo here. 

You say he's not influential but you've credited him with some of our success and the fact is the guy tendered his resignation when Jose came in so I'm asking you whether you think he'd work well with either of them. You have to bear in mind that chatting to a fan of 'Mike' is something of a novelty for me.

 

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8 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

You say he's not influential but you've credited him with some of our success and the fact is the guy tendered his resignation when Jose came in so I'm asking you whether you think he'd work well with either of them. You have to bear in mind that chatting to a fan of 'Mike' is something of a novelty for me.

 

You seem to confuse Emenalo's role greatly, CL11 cleared it up for you again (after I did before as well). You seem to think that his role is one of a director of football but he's a technical director. There's a massive difference. We're not having this discussion again, it's pointless. 

You're asking me whether he'd work well with Rodgers, which is stupid. I think he worked well with Mourinho (especially last season), so I don't see why he wouldn't with Pep or Simeone. There's no evidence suggesting he wouldn't. 

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None of the fullbacks we have would suit Pep. None of the CB's we have would suit Pep. None of the central midfielders either.

This wouldn't be a situation that he could come into and turn into Barca or Bayern in 1 year. He goes to City, United, or even Arsenal and he needs only a couple of additions and he's set more or less.

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why do people say arsenal/city philosophy would fit him better than ours? it wasn't long a go that Chelsea had mata, oscar, hazard, willian and kdb in a single squad ffs :fist:

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23 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

He has one of the best jobs in the world. If things are good he gets credit. Someone even praised for finding Hazard lol When things are bad they say it is stupid to blame him as he is just an assistant.

Youre right he has it both ways. As do the board and owner. .Hes teflon, been there since Grant and has seen the comings and sackings/goings of Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Carlo, AVB, Di Matteo, Benitez, Mourinho and Guus again. Much of the media say hes Abramovichs eyes and ears  -says more about insecurity than anything else

 

Anyway, whoever comes as manager I dont expect longevity in this climate of Short Termism. He wont be around long.

Steve Parish (Palace chairman) put it succinctly after Jose was booted out ''You are a genius when you win. An absolute genius. You can feel the love of the fans, and its amazing. But then you lose a couple of games and you are a moron. The pundits question your judgement. Its so black and white, and doesnt make sense''

Perhaps it does though -its all about instant success - and football is no longer a pastime its all the fucking time.-talksported to death. Consequently PR conscious clubs respond to a fog of media negativity with kneejerk desperation, resulting in the next disposable manager.

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Youre right he has it both ways. As do the board and owner. .Hes teflon, been there since Grant and has seen the comings and sackings/goings of Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Carlo, AVB, Di Matteo, Benitez, Mourinho and Guus again.

 

He's only been technical director for 5 managers, two of them were interim and arguably none of them deserved to stay on as manager. Don't see why he's Teflon for that, he's been criticised in his role from day one. I don't think you're insinuating that he's been influential in those sackings. If so, how has he?

Open question to the Emenalo detractors here: Apart from not having the relevant experiences, and not being Chels, what else has Emenalo done so badly in his role here? 

Please don't bring up this summer's transfer window either - you genuinely can't blame him for the club not being able to get in Stones and Pogba. Again, apart from the Papy signing, he (nor Mourinho for that matter) can't really be blamed for the below average summer. That responsibility falls on the board who failed to get those players. 

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