changingman2000 35 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Well, although I dont feel the need to crack open the Sherry, I think its a decent appointment. Its certainly a daring one anyway, Given the fact that the guy has never managed a club side in Europe and cant speak a word of English. He certainly has a reputation that people respect and I dont think he'll take any shit off the Govan one. He must have been offered a kings ransom because he was quick in turning down the England post when he seen what the gutter press were about. I just hope he doesnt think its going to be any easier handling the press being Chelsea Manager. I'll be backing him 100%. I have one or two nagging doubts, But, after the last scrotum, It's an appointment that should certainly have a positive effect. I think Drogba will still be off, And if we sign Deco that will give Lampard the reason he's been looking for methinks. Pizzaro, Sidwell, Belletti, Malouda should all hopefully be escorted out. I know the French were poor against the Dracula XI the other day, but Malouda was beyond pony, He really, really has been a very poor signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Its Samba mood at the Bridge!! Scoooolaaaareeeeeee...Oh-Oh Scoooolaareeeeeee Oh- Oh -Oh -Oh :thumbsup: To the tune of ......"Volare" Edited June 13, 2008 by warnie_666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A lot of interesting speculation in the papers today. Most of the papers seem to think Scolari favours a 4-2-3-1 formation, with the sun speculationg that our line up after transfers this season could be: ..................................Eto'o................................... ....Ronaldinho..............Deco.......................Villa...... ................Lampard..................Ballack................... A.Cole............Terry..............Carvalho.......Bosingwa ..................................Cech................................... Not too shabby really? There also seems to be a reccuring theme of Scolari wanting to make sure Lampard stays, which was thrown into some doubt when the constant Deco stories were comming out, but looking at the type of formation we could play it is easy to see how they can all work. The more you read about Scolari the more you get excited about the prospect of him managing our team, he seems like the perfect man for the job at this time and lets hope he can bring everything that it looks like he can bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Were is the steele and defense in the midfield ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Were is the steele and defense in the midfield ? I think Lamps and Ballack are Steely enough? Don't you? We are more than capable of coping without someone constantly sitting in the midfield anchor role... We have a world class defence and keeper, it's not as if they need THAT much protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think Lamps and Ballack are Steely enough? Don't you? We are more than capable of coping without someone constantly sitting in the midfield anchor role... We have a world class defence and keeper, it's not as if they need THAT much protection. Thats not lampard and ballacks game though, lampard will bomb forward ballack will as well you need some one like essien to give you penetration and fight. I really dont think we will buy deco he is too old at 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thats not lampard and ballacks game though, lampard will bomb forward ballack will as well you need some one like essien to give you penetration and fight. I really dont think we will buy deco he is too old at 31. Lol, Deco's age goes up every day. 29, 30 and 31 all in the space of a few day Lampard, Ballack, Essien and Mikel are all capable of playing those 2 midfield roles and doing the legwork, and Lampard and Ballack would work together like that i am sure, neither are essentially "attacking" midfielders. They are all rounders who can score s**t loads of goals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Lol, Deco's age goes up every day. 29, 30 and 31 all in the space of a few day Lampard, Ballack, Essien and Mikel are all capable of playing those 2 midfield roles and doing the legwork, and Lampard and Ballack would work together like that i am sure, neither are essentially "attacking" midfielders. They are all rounders who can score s**t loads of goals.. They will not be able too score enough goals from that postion. That position is just infront of the back 4. Deco's age is 30 he is too old we dont need another midfielder any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott 7 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Yeah that doesn't look it would work having those two there. They are too attacking minded to play that position, they are wasted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Plus villa on the right wing give your head a wobble esk :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Plus villa on the right wing give your head a wobble esk Lol, not my formation!! From the sun...... The positions Ballack and Lampard are in are their natural CM positions, they are not holding or sitting deep. They get box to box, it just happens that in this formation there is a creative midfielder ahead of them. It is the same as if we were playing a 4-4-2 and Lampard and Ballack are the 2 central midfielders working together to get forward and back. Same thing, but slightly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott 7 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Lol, not my formation!! From the sun...... The positions Ballack and Lampard are in are their natural CM positions, they are not holding or sitting deep. They get box to box, it just happens that in this formation there is a creative midfielder ahead of them. It is the same as if we were playing a 4-4-2 and Lampard and Ballack are the 2 central midfielders working together to get forward and back. Same thing, but slightly different. I don't think I agree with you that we do not require a Defensive Midfielder. The DM is a large part of why we concede so few goals. If we're going to be knocking loads in every game at the other end, fair enough, but that's a big if. And I'd rather we just signed Villa, and have J. Cole in his position in that formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I don't think I agree with you that we do not require a Defensive Midfielder. The DM is a large part of why we concede so few goals. If we're going to be knocking loads in every game at the other end, fair enough, but that's a big if. And I'd rather we just signed Villa, and have J. Cole in his position in that formation. I don't think a specific Defensive mid is really needed. Obviously in that formation, especially against the bigger teams it would be better to play Lampard or Ballack with Essien or Mikel, with Essien or Mikel not getting forward as much rather than holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You need someone to be able too sit and combat midfielders like anderson of man utd or kaka. These players are the type who will get the ball and run at you with it. Ballack and lampard would not even get close to them watch this clip and you will see what i mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eursFk-nq3g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You need someone to be able too sit and combat midfielders like anderson of man utd or kaka. These players are the type who will get the ball and run at you with it. Ballack and lampard would not even get close to them watch this clip and you will see what i mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eursFk-nq3g How many teams use actual defensive midfielders? We don't need to spend so much time worrying about stopping other teams players, unless they are a specific threat. Against the majority of the Premier League - why bother? Like i said in most cases you would use Lampard OR Ballack with Essien OR Mikel - and they would work like a pair would in a 4-4-2. Lampard and Ballack are not creative attacking midfielders, they are central midfielders who can score a lot of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 David told me about that team from the Sun. I really don't think either Lampard or Ballack should be in the team ahead of Essien. Both of them are top class and were brilliant last season but Essien's consistency, drive and brilliance are key to our play regardless of what system we play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 David told me about that team from the Sun. I really don't think either Lampard or Ballack should be in the team ahead of Essien. Both of them are top class and were brilliant last season but Essien's consistency, drive and brilliance are key to our play regardless of what system we play. Hard to argue with that! Essien has become an absolutely awesome player for us. With injuries and ammount of games in a season, plus the advanced ages of Lampard, Ballack (and possibly Deco) there will be enough games to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I agree with what you're saying, but we have experienced players in Ballack, Lampard and Makelele, and young-yet-still-experienced stars in Essien in Mikel that can occupy the midfield positions, plus Ivanovic and Ferreira can provide emergency cover if its needed. Do we need more CMs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Well, although I dont feel the need to crack open the Sherry, I think its a decent appointment. Its certainly a daring one anyway, Given the fact that the guy has never managed a club side in Europe and cant speak a word of English. He certainly has a reputation that people respect and I dont think he'll take any shit off the Govan one. He can speak English: http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_46...s=1&bbcws=1 Edited June 13, 2008 by .Biru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I agree with what you're saying, but we have experienced players in Ballack, Lampard and Makelele, and young-yet-still-experienced stars in Essien in Mikel that can occupy the midfield positions, plus Ivanovic and Ferreira can provide emergency cover if its needed. Do we need more CMs? I don't think Ferreira and Ivanovic should be classed as midfield cover! Ideally we need 2 players for each position to ensure our squad is strong enough, which means (Assuming we are playing using 3 midifield positions) 6 squad players.. we have Lampard, Ballack, Essien and Mikel - Sidwell will not be around next season and it is very debateable how much Maka is going to play next season. So i would say there is room for definately 1 and possibly 2. Personally i would have liked to have seen us sign some young talent in the 19 - 22 age bracket. And have 3 experienced players (Lampard, Ballack, Essien) and 3 younger players (Mikel, ???????, ??????) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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