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Mata wasn't just let go due to his defensive work rate. Mata showed more effort defensively than Hazard. Jose preferred Oscar as the starter; Mata wasn't happy just being the second option and was let go. Similarly, I think if we had Ozil and Oscar became 2nd choice, he'd probably want out and Chelsea would grant him his wish.

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I saw numerous comments raising the question as to how would Fabregas fit in a Mourinho's team if Juan Mata (and to a lesser extent de Bruyne) could not. It is to misunderstand what was the situation

Already has more medals for Chelsea than Arsenal.

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Cesc is no defensive wonder, and that's why a 4-3-3 would be ideal. In a three-man midfield you don't need all of them to be aces defending. Matic is a lion and Oscar is as annoying as they get pressing and tackling his opponents. Their presence alone takes off a lot of pressure and need for Cesc to be a great defender. I do have a slight worry though if we continue to play 4-2-3-1 - although even then Oscar will help him.

What he comes to add mostly is quality and someone that can dictate the tempo, provide through-balls and long passes with quality and good accuracy, mobility and when we face those teams parking the bus one more pair of eyes and legs to create us chances. We already have an upgrade to the strikers, but if you don't have the guys that will provide them the chances - especially the kind of Costa and Lukaku (who can't create much by themselves) - you need as many midfielders feeding them. That's why Cesc is coming, to fill our midfield, to provide alternatives, to win us the midfield and feed our attackers - especially Costa and Schürrle with fast thinking, good vision that result in key passes. Oscar and Matic are there to provide defensive cover and help and again, Cesc isn't useless marking and pressing. As many insisted on comparing Mata (makes no sense in my head as I don't see him being here to be our #10 except on occasion), he's faster, stronger, more annoying to opponents and marks and presses better. He's used to a deep position, even if he may prefer a more advanced one. Perfect fit imo.

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Mata wasn't just let go due to his defensive work rate. Mata showed more effort defensively than Hazard. Jose preferred Oscar as the starter; Mata wasn't happy just being the second option and was let go. Similarly, I think if we had Ozil and Oscar became 2nd choice, he'd probably want out and Chelsea would grant him his wish.

Whaaaaat? Hazard works far harder in defence than bloody Juan Mata.

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Whaaaaat? Hazard works far harder in defence than bloody Juan Mata.

In his (Chelsea?) defense (no pun intended), I sort of interpreted him saying that Mata worked hard in defense in a different way.

I remember one of Mata's first games for United some of the commentators were analyzing the shape of the United team as it absorbed pressure on a few occasions, and they picked out and highlighted Mata on the reel and it was kinda funny to watch as he scrambled around desperately trying to find someone to mark. I mean, love the guy to death, but jumping into Moyes system for him it was like watching him chase a chicken around the pitch. He was turning in circles, closing down needless spaces, marking players who were already marked, it was just funny.

His effort = huge

His effective defending = much less huge

He definitely expended a lot of energy, it was just...misdirected, to put it lightly. Idk, maybe he's gotten better lately.

I think you are right, though, Hazard was a bit more effective in defending, albeit didn't work as hard.

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Why is great speed so important when he can travel with a great pass. I think we finally got our own pirlo because as fabregas gets older and looses more pace he will naturally adapt to DLP just like pirlo and lampard to a lesser extent. He will be here for a long time for sure because of this adaptability.

I think he will give oscar adequate competition also in the no. 10 role for a few seasons then settle permanently at DLP later which is what I think he was brought in for.

Fabregas- World class vision and passing, scores 10 goals or more, adequate pace, adequate pressing, scores with both feet and head, good midfield technique in general, tactically versatile.

Oscar- World class pressing and tactical awareness, Adequate vision and passing, scores 10 goals or more, adequate pace, adequate midfield technique, scores with both feet and head.

Matic- World class tackling with feet and head, world class tactical awarewness in front of defense. Adequate passing and vision. Scores 4 or 5 goals a season.

I think none of our midfielders is complete in all aspects(but who is anyway) but the three make up a very, very conplete and balanced midfield. I expect our strongest line up to be as below.

---------Cech/courtoise(who cares)----

Ivanovic---Cahill---Terry---Left back

-------------------Matic-----------

----------Fabregas-----------------

--------------Oscar-----------------

Willian------------------------Hazard-

--------------Diego Costa-----------

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He was truly immense in the EPL. I used to see him as the best passer I had seen in the EPL since I started watching. So much that I called him "Fabrepass" ;)

I just hope barca havent ruined him

If anything his time at Barca will make him more determined to prove they fucked up by letting him go ;)

This guy could be amazing for us

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What about the fact that he's slow?

I thought we would play a fast agreesive high tempo game with a lot of pressing?

Pace has little to nothing to do with the tempo of the game. Ramires is one of the quickest out there, but is our game really faster with him? Doubt it, his decisions and technique often pull our offensive tempo down despite him being able to run like Gump. The ball is always faster than any player, and Fabregas is exactly that - a ball playing midfielder, not a runner, because an accurate ball travels faster and poses more danger than simply trying to run through things. Our tempo will be quicker with him, mainly because hopefully we'll be able to stick more passes together and not be limited to giving the ball to Ivanovic for a deep cross.

Excited.

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Yes but he can't defend, hes a bit lazy like Ozil.

We got rid of kdb and mata because of that.

As much as fans like to think they know what goes on, you and I don't know why Mata and KDB were sold.

Mourinho is a huge Ozil fan, he's a big fan of Sneijder as well. They're both very poor defensively.

Edit: Fabregas is comfortably much better defensively than Ozil, Mata and KDB btw.

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Yes but he can't defend, hes a bit lazy like Ozil.

We got rid of kdb and mata because of that.

KDB and Mata were already squad members, but it was Mourinho's decision to sign Fabregas. It would be ridiculous if we got rid of him in january.

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KDB and Mata were already squad members, but it was Mourinho's decision to sign Fabregas. It would be ridiculous if we got rid of him in january.

Like van gaal getting rid of fellani? That will not happen this Jose choice
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Speaking of through-balls, Cesc is still topping the Premier League through-ball chart for last 5 years despite leaving in 2011, which is frankly crazy.02He made more through balls in two seasons than other PL playmakers in five.02

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1) Cesc Fabregas ¨C 64 through-balls in 52 games for Arsenal

2) David Silva ¨C Manchester City ¨C 62 through-balls in 130 games

3) Wayne Rooney ¨C Manchester United ¨C 48 through-balls in 150 games

4) Samir Nasri ¨C Manchester City ¨C 45 through-balls in 149 games

5) Frank Lampard ¨C Chelsea ¨C 41 through-balls in 145 games

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Top 20 players who made the most accurate through balls last season in Top 5 European leagues:

1 Cesc Fabregas 02 020.7 (24 in total)

2 David Silva 02 02 02 02 020.6 (16)

3 Isco 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 0.5 (16)

4 Luis Su¨¢rez 02 02 02 02 0.5 (16)

5 Roberto Firmino 020.5 (16)

6 Henrikh Mkhita... 0.5 (14)

7 Francesco Totti 02 0.4 (11)

8 Jack Wilshere 02 02 0.4 (10)

9 Andrea Pirlo 02 02 02 020.4 (12)

10 Ander Herrera 02 020.4 (13)

11 Philippe Coutinho 0.4

12 Aaron Ramsey 02 020.4

13 Mesut 00zil 02 02 02 02 020.4

14 Reyes 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 0.4

15 Andr¨¦s Iniesta 02 02 0.4

16 Johan Cavalli 02 02 020.4

17 Yohan Cabaye 02 020.4

18 Xavi 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 0.4

19 Lionel Messi 02 02 02 020.4

20 Antonio Cassano 020.4

02

The chart makes it obvious that, unlike City, Liverpool and Arsenal, last season we didn't have anyone in the team good at through balls and now we got the very best out there. Very excited to see Cesc-Eden-Costa in the final third.

Incredible stats if true. No wonder I used to see him as the best ever EPL passer when he was at arsenal. His through ball rate is crazy, costa won't miss koke's supply at all.

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Speaking of through-balls, Cesc is still topping the Premier League through-ball chart for last 5 years despite leaving in 2011, which is frankly crazy. He made more through balls in two seasons than other PL playmakers in five.

1) Cesc Fabregas 64 through-balls in 52 games for Arsenal

2) David Silva Manchester City 62 through-balls in 130 games

3) Wayne Rooney Manchester United 48 through-balls in 150 games

4) Samir Nasri Manchester City 45 through-balls in 149 games

5) Frank Lampard Chelsea 41 through-balls in 145 games

Top 20 players who made the most accurate through balls last season in Top 5 European leagues:

1 Cesc Fabregas 0.7 (24 in total)

2 David Silva 0.6 (16)

3 Isco 0.5 (16)

4 Luis Suárez 0.5 (16)

5 Roberto Firmino 0.5 (16)

6 Henrikh Mkhita... 0.5 (14)

7 Francesco Totti 0.4 (11)

8 Jack Wilshere 0.4 (10)

9 Andrea Pirlo 0.4 (12)

10 Ander Herrera 0.4 (13)

11 Philippe Coutinho 0.4

12 Aaron Ramsey 0.4

13 Mesut Özil 0.4

14 Reyes 0.4

15 Andrés Iniesta 0.4

16 Johan Cavalli 0.4

17 Yohan Cabaye 0.4

18 Xavi 0.4

19 Lionel Messi 0.4

20 Antonio Cassano 0.4

The chart makes it obvious that, unlike City, Liverpool and Arsenal, last season we didn't have anyone in the team good at through balls and now we got the very best out there. Very excited to see Cesc-Eden-Costa in the final third.

That's incredible. Thanks for this.
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Speaking of through-balls, Cesc is still topping the Premier League through-ball chart for last 5 years despite leaving in 2011, which is frankly crazy. He made more through balls in two seasons than other PL playmakers in five.

1) Cesc Fabregas – 64 through-balls in 52 games for Arsenal

2) David Silva – Manchester City – 62 through-balls in 130 games

3) Wayne Rooney – Manchester United – 48 through-balls in 150 games

4) Samir Nasri – Manchester City – 45 through-balls in 149 games

5) Frank Lampard – Chelsea – 41 through-balls in 145 games

Top 20 players who made the most accurate through balls last season in Top 5 European leagues:

1 Cesc Fabregas 0.7 (24 in total)

2 David Silva 0.6 (16)

3 Isco 0.5 (16)

4 Luis Suárez 0.5 (16)

5 Roberto Firmino 0.5 (16)

6 Henrikh Mkhita... 0.5 (14)

7 Francesco Totti 0.4 (11)

8 Jack Wilshere 0.4 (10)

9 Andrea Pirlo 0.4 (12)

10 Ander Herrera 0.4 (13)

11 Philippe Coutinho 0.4

12 Aaron Ramsey 0.4

13 Mesut Özil 0.4

14 Reyes 0.4

15 Andrés Iniesta 0.4

16 Johan Cavalli 0.4

17 Yohan Cabaye 0.4

18 Xavi 0.4

19 Lionel Messi 0.4

20 Antonio Cassano 0.4

The chart makes it obvious that, unlike City, Liverpool and Arsenal, last season we didn't have anyone in the team good at through balls and now we got the very best out there. Very excited to see Cesc-Eden-Costa in the final third.

Wow. That's crazy! No doubt in my mind he pickes up where he left off in the PL with us.

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Speaking of through-balls, Cesc is still topping the Premier League through-ball chart for last 5 years despite leaving in 2011, which is frankly crazy. He made more through balls in two seasons than other PL playmakers in five.
1) Cesc Fabregas – 64 through-balls in 52 games for Arsenal
2) David Silva – Manchester City – 62 through-balls in 130 games
3) Wayne Rooney – Manchester United – 48 through-balls in 150 games
4) Samir Nasri – Manchester City – 45 through-balls in 149 games
5) Frank Lampard – Chelsea – 41 through-balls in 145 games
Top 20 players who made the most accurate through balls last season in Top 5 European leagues:
1 Cesc Fabregas 0.7 (24 in total)
2 David Silva 0.6 (16)
3 Isco 0.5 (16)
4 Luis Suárez 0.5 (16)
5 Roberto Firmino 0.5 (16)
6 Henrikh Mkhita... 0.5 (14)
7 Francesco Totti 0.4 (11)
8 Jack Wilshere 0.4 (10)
9 Andrea Pirlo 0.4 (12)
10 Ander Herrera 0.4 (13)
11 Philippe Coutinho 0.4
12 Aaron Ramsey 0.4
13 Mesut Özil 0.4
14 Reyes 0.4
15 Andrés Iniesta 0.4
16 Johan Cavalli 0.4
17 Yohan Cabaye 0.4
18 Xavi 0.4
19 Lionel Messi 0.4
20 Antonio Cassano 0.4
The chart makes it obvious that, unlike City, Liverpool and Arsenal, last season we didn't have anyone in the team good at through balls and now we got the very best out there. Very excited to see Cesc-Eden-Costa in the final third.

Through balls hey?

So does that means Torres will be a beast again? :D

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Whats the bad thing is that neither Cesc or Oscar cant stay back and defend and allow Matic to bomb forward. Last year, Matic was great at runing forward with ball, now with Cesc and Oscar, his role will be very limited. Thats why someone like Pogba would be best in our midfield. To offer some cover if Matic goes forward. And now with Matic limited, he wont be half player he could be. He will be beast in defending, but he can do much more than that.

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