Rumoured John Stones

[lucio 5,395]

GC was brilliant after being dropped.

If you bthink so , but í cant accept that

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Those who think Cahill was 'brilliant' in the second half of the season need to watch some more defenders to see what brilliant really is. A top defender is one who can take responsibility and dominate even without much protection.

Once we go into next season playing attacking Football, Cahill will get exposed like he was in the first half of last season. It's not a coincidence he only does well when we are playing defensively.

[Adnane 1,101]

Cahill is brilliant playing in a low line, aka Parking the bus ( or at least what some like to call it here ).

But his lack of speed and anticipation makes him a weak spot when we play our full pressing game, especially that he is supposed to cover the most offensive of our full backs.

[Unionjack 7,531]

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chelsea-boss-reveals-frank-lampard-8287448

“My view is that when you want to look forward, look for the future and have people like Fabregas and Matic and Oscar which are the next 10 years of the club, and the project is prepare for the next 10 years not for the next year."

"And the nucleus of the team that has to be developed, if you have a big player like Frank we would stop the development of the other guys.”

I'm sorry but the thing that pisses me off is how Mou can use a strain of thought to defend one decision he makes (probably because he knew the fans wasn't going to like it) but when we need to look at our back 4 he goes totally in the opposite direction.

We have an amazing young CB in Zouma and hopefully will have another great young guy to play next to him. Yet we have 3 guys on 1 yearly renewables and 2 of them arent playing at anywhere near their best.

IF Mous not just full of BS and genuinely wants to build us a team for the next 10 years and not just next year then we need to stop fucking around with all this penny pinching bollox and start making some tough decisions or we are going to be a mess.

[didierforever 7,349]

Those who think Cahill was 'brilliant' in the second half of the season need to watch some more defenders to see what brilliant really is. A top defender is one who can take responsibility and dominate even without much protection.

Once we go into next season playing attacking Football, Cahill will get exposed like he was in the first half of last season. It's not a coincidence he only does well when we are playing defensively.

why should anyone who thinks GC was "brilliant" in the second half of the season do anything other than see what GC did.

i did not say, GC is a brilliant defender with a high line. i did not say GC was a brilliant defender when we played our high press during the first half of the season. i said that GC was brilliant in the second half of the season. which is TRUE. we had changed our system to suit not just GC but our whole defence line (which includes JT and iva too).

as for "A top defender is one who can take responsibility and dominate even without much protection". who here said GC is a top/WC defender.

[didierforever 7,349]

If you bthink so , but í cant accept that

PFA team of the year. and i would like to think that he got on their majorly cos of his 2nd half of the season performances. the fact that people have not been using GC's thread to critisize the smallest of his mistakes in testament of how good he was for us in the 2nd part.

[RhesusReus 219]

Cahill is brilliant playing in a low line, aka Parking the bus ( or at least what some like to call it here ).

But his lack of speed and anticipation makes him a weak spot when we play our full pressing game, especially that he is supposed to cover the most offensive of our full backs.

Yet we are ready to overlook the exact same weakness in Terry, who is even more a liability if we want to play expansively.

[RhesusReus 219]

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chelsea-boss-reveals-frank-lampard-8287448

“My view is that when you want to look forward, look for the future and have people like Fabregas and Matic and Oscar which are the next 10 years of the club, and the project is prepare for the next 10 years not for the next year."

"And the nucleus of the team that has to be developed, if you have a big player like Frank we would stop the development of the other guys.”

I'm sorry but the thing that pisses me off is how Mou can use a strain of thought to defend one decision he makes (probably because he knew the fans wasn't going to like it) but when we need to look at our back 4 he goes totally in the opposite direction.

We have an amazing young CB in Zouma and hopefully will have another great young guy to play next to him. Yet we have 3 guys on 1 yearly renewables and 2 of them arent playing at anywhere near their best.

IF Mous not just full of BS and genuinely wants to build us a team for the next 10 years and not just next year then we need to stop fucking around with all this penny pinching bollox and start making some tough decisions or we are going to be a mess.

Yes. Let's just have it and get a team of 11 22 year olds out there.

You realize that a defender isn't the same as a midfielder and a winger, as in there are only very few top class players out there, and they cost a fortune. Also, an attacker has a wide range of positions that he can be played at to get experience (ala Henry stating out as a winger then turned striker), while a center-back can only learn his position in one spot and that spot isn't easily won.

so, why don't you rest your pretty head and let Jose worry about the defense. He's never, ever played two young CBs in his entire career, and for good reason. So any thoughts you have about seeings a Zouma-Stones or Zouma-Varane setup needs to end. Jose always prefers to have one extremely experienced center-back, one that he trusts completely.

we are not penny pinching with John Stones, we are making a bid that far exceeds his value already with the new 26m bid (remember we paid only 12m for Zouma).

You don't just go and thrown down ridiculous money. it sets a precedent.

you make an offer, then you wait as the player starts to voice his disgruntlement over his desire to leave, and then you get leverage. We have no leverage. Everton don't have to sell. Stones has 4 years on his contract. Our only choice is to be scumbags and force the kid to be a dick and demand a move. we are going to do that soon enough. you are going to see the ugly side of Chelsea in the coming days. It makes me sick.

[Pizy 17,860]

So let's see if any of the rags were right about another bid "within 48 hours."

I'm gonna guess no.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Yes. Let's just have it and get a team of 11 22 year olds out there.

You realize that a defender isn't the same as a midfielder and a winger, as in there are only very few top class players out there, and they cost a fortune. Also, an attacker has a wide range of positions that he can be played at to get experience (ala Henry stating out as a winger then turned striker), while a center-back can only learn his position in one spot and that spot isn't easily won.

so, why don't you rest your pretty head and let Jose worry about the defense. He's never, ever played two young CBs in his entire career, and for good reason. So any thoughts you have about seeings a Zouma-Stones or Zouma-Varane setup needs to end. Jose always prefers to have one extremely experienced center-back, one that he trusts completely.

we are not penny pinching with John Stones, we are making a bid that far exceeds his value already with the new 26m bid (remember we paid only 12m for Zouma).

You don't just go and thrown down ridiculous money. it sets a precedent.

you make an offer, then you wait as the player starts to voice his disgruntlement over his desire to leave, and then you get leverage. We have no leverage. Everton don't have to sell. Stones has 4 years on his contract. Our only choice is to be scumbags and force the kid to be a dick and demand a move. we are going to do that soon enough. you are going to see the ugly side of Chelsea in the coming days. It makes me sick.

And whos that going to be that he trusts completely when JT goes chuchie face? Cahill? Do me a favour.

[lucio 5,395]

PFA team of the year. and i would like to think that he got on their majorly cos of his 2nd half of the season performances. the fact that people have not been using GC's thread to critisize the smallest of his mistakes in testament of how good he was for us in the 2nd part.

He got on because he is English , plays for chelsea , the champions , part of the best defence. Just a lazy decision, they just assumed he should be on. No way a player who is dogshit for half the year , and loses his place , comes back and does alright gets on.

They probably could have found someone better , if they put some effort in.

He deserved his 13/14 nomination much more

[didierforever 7,349]

He got on because he is English , plays for chelsea , the champions , part of the best defence. Just a lazy decision, they just assumed he should be on. No way a player who is dogshit for half the year , and loses his place , comes back and does alright gets on.

They probably could have found someone better , if they put some effort in.

He deserved his 13/14 nomination much more

thats the place where you have got it wrong.

[lucio 5,395]

thats the place where you have got it wrong.

Did fairly well then. I'm never going to say he was immense

[robsblubot 3,223]

He got on because he is English , plays for chelsea , the champions , part of the best defence. Just a lazy decision, they just assumed he should be on. No way a player who is dogshit for half the year , and loses his place , comes back and does alright gets on.

They probably could have found someone better , if they put some effort in.

He deserved his 13/14 nomination much more

Certain other players get awards and are made fun of...

This is a philosophy discussion where some folks here think you can have specialists like Cahill Mikel who are completely inapt at other aspects of the game va folks who want more rounded players in every position.

Some are the same who use stats as facts but choose to ignore the most obvious one: how do the top elite teams play? What type of players do they have?

The very best one employs a (very good) DM as a cb and successfully so.

[didierforever 7,349]

Certain other players get awards and are made fun of...

This is a philosophy discussion where some folks here think you can have specialists like Cahill Mikel who are completely inapt at other aspects of the game va folks who want more rounded players in every position.

Some are the same who use stats as facts but choose to ignore the most obvious one: how do the top elite teams play? What type of players do they have?

The very best one employs a (very good) DM as a cb and successfully so.

so how exactly do top elite teams play? give me in writing where its given that their is one way of playing.

how many other CBs of top elite teams are DMs. ramos? pepe? danta? benatia? boateng?

how was the song experiment at barcelona? the same mascherano-pique pairing that is being lauded by everyone now was being shattered and being made to look silly multiple times under tata.

17 clean sheets in 38 games. as for awards, GC was one of the best CBs in PL. who else was there? kompany was crap. toby and fonte declined massively towards the end. united and pool's defence was a joke. oh wait, probbaly stones?

[LukakutoStamford 779]

This is where the HG aka English tax raises the price of a player. I put the valuation of Stones at somewhere around 23-26 million but with English tax his value bumps up by 25%. The problem is that Terry could massively decline at anytime so a succession plan including Stones is coming a bit late unless Zouma Cahill can work or Stones Zouma is ready to go at any moment.

Too bad City didn't screw up Denayer's contract because he's the best u21 ball playing defender out there.

[Tomo 21,681]

He is. That is why he their first choice CB. The others have been rotated. Stones may have a much higher ceiling but i would not say he is better than Cahill right now.

I'm not saying he is or isn't but the selections of Roy Hodgsdon is hardly conclusive evidence.

This is the guy who thought Pirlo played for AC Milan against Arsenal when he left for Juve the previous summer.

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

This is where the HG aka English tax raises the price of a player. I put the valuation of Stones at somewhere around 23-26 million but with English tax his value bumps up by 25%. The problem is that Terry could massively decline at anytime so a succession plan including Stones is coming a bit late unless Zouma Cahill can work or Stones Zouma is ready to go at any moment.

Too bad City didn't screw up Denayer's contract because he's the best u21 ball playing defender out there.

I seen Denayer play regularly for Celtic last year and despite winning the young player of the season award thing, which anyone who played for Celtic in that age bracket would normally win, he didn't impress me one bit.

Even his distribution at Celtic at times was shocking, he gave the ball away a lot and his reading of the game isn't there as such, he relies on his pace to get back in to position far too much for a center back. John Stones, as much as I don't rate him as highly as others, is easily a better player and from what I have seen is better on the ball. Although he did score 5 or 6 goals for Celtic last year, which is always decent to have in a defender but still not that impressive.

Celtic tried to play openly, with the ball a lot last season and Virgil van Dijk was really the standout CB there, Denayer was being carried at times, especially the start but eventually found his feet and played at such a level but hes not that impressive, anyone could really of played next to van Dijk at Celtic and done just as well if not better like previously under Neil Lennon... if he is Belgiums next big hope in defense (or even Citys) then I feel for Belgium (don't feel for City). To go from a Kompany, Alderweireld or Vertonghen to a Denayer is bad.