Closed PSG v Chelsea

[BloodIsBlue 291]

Here's the problem, we brought in FFP to stop teams like you doing what we did. It's cruel isn't it? We spent all this money establishing ourselves and creating all these new revenue streams and then backed a rule to stop teams like you, Malaga, Monaco and Anzhi from doing the same.

Naughty Roman.

But....and it's a big BUT....we spent all that money to establish ourselves as a top Premier League team and that's a good thing because it's the biggest league in the world. TV rights alone are worth over three times as money as your's which means we'll have far more money to spend to maintain our position.

PSG on the other hand don't just need to grow themselves, but the French league as a whole. That's what you don't understand - Chelsea aren't where they are simply because they have money. They also have the best competition in the world in the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Man United, Liverpool and Tottenham.

I fell like I'm being a bit mean and simply kicking a child now. Sorry. Basically we don't like UEFA and we don't like Platini but we've kinda forced through rules that massively benefit us and unfairly penalise you.

This guy's car isn't shit though. In fact he's spent a lot to import this car because the domestic cars simply aren't that great.

At least somebody pays attention. But if we can push through a squeezed market like London football team they could do alright being the only team from Paris. It might take time because the league is smaller but if they continue to have a team with many exciting names I am sure they will grow. FFP will definitely be keeping their head under water for a few years though, I know if Chelsea got Roman with FFP things would not have been so amazing that's for sure. It took us 10 years to really see a major increase int he club's revenue generation. Do these French guys even understand how FFP works?

I think that by now, we should speak more about the game incoming that FFP.

If we score early in the game. If we can do so,i'm pretty confident we will win this first leg.

PS: how can i delete my previous message ? And what do you think about PSG kits ?

With two teams like ours FFP is a fair discussion topic as it effects our business models greatly. As we are both clubs who field squads that aren't very lucrative considering our not so spectacular revenues.

32 year old Zlatan is no joke, he can definitely score an early goal but we have strong centerbacks in Terry and Cahill I know they can handle big guys better than the little ones.

You can't delete them ask a mod too remove it, they'll clean it up. I like PSG kits but they're a collar away from looking like Charlie Sheen bowling shirts.

[Zdar 18]

Imo this season our kilt are discussing because of this collar, but at least our owners tried to respect the club's colours, better than in Swansea for example. I really prefered the one of last year (like on my avatar).

So, is it certain Eto'o will miss the game? I was so sure it was intox.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Of course it is not very bright, but the goal is make Paris win, not to make Cavani score. They were not wrong about the player but about the formation system they bought him for. IMO, Torres, Schevchenko or Pastore have been much bigger failures (I am not provoking, just pointing out that it often happens in clubs that are able to spend so much money on players).

Shevy was past his best, the owner wanted him as a trophy piece not to make the team better. Pastore and Torres are massive flops you can also argue that paying 45M for Moura will also prove to be a flop...

[Fluctuat 22]

Thanks for the answer !

We really understand what is FFP is about and it is not very "fair" rules.

For example, in France we have bigger taxes (now even a 75% tax on the earning above 1M) for decades. That is why at start the best players (and now even the average) were leaving among other factors. To earn as much as in England, french clubs have to pay a lot more (about twice sometimes). Contrary to the "La Liga", the TV incomes are equally spread. Also, French clubs are not allowed to have debts like English or Spanish because of the DNCG. If not you are relegated to amateurish level.

Due to this limitations, french clubs can't really grow. As soon as you have a good talent he will go abroad, because he will be paid more and he will have more chances to win something. The clubs are getting weaker in the field then, and won't be able to compete in financial terms too. Who will want to buy a Brandao shirt in the world ? Who will want to pay to sponsor a no name team ?

Qatari are actually doing dumping, splashing ton of money to build a strong side in the field with big names for the merchandising. Ibra is known worldwide and his name is associated to PSG. Our incomes are grown a lot recently. Without the mega QTA deal, we will be around 250-300M. They are marketing around the name of Paris, a capital of luxury. They even changed the logo to make more space for the name Paris and less for the "Saint-Germain" part.

I'm not that confident aboutt he FFP because UEFA reportedly found our board a bit contemptous and they'll have to make something not to appear like fools with their FFP.

Platini has already stated they'll not ban us from UCL next year but we can fear a big fine.

On the other side, our owners are thinking they are doing the things right and they'll prolly sue UEFA.

In my opinion, the most fair rule would be to allow any team a maximum budget so that everyone has the same chance at the start, but it is not legally possible.

[Jase 43,479]

Unsurprisingly...

[The only place to be 11,313]

I think that by now, we should speak more about the game incoming that FFP.

If we score early in the game. If we can do so,i'm pretty confident we will win this first leg.

PS: how can i delete my previous message ? And what do you think about PSG kits ?

The French always have good kits, be it football or rugby teams (and yes I'm including Stade's in that).

As for the game I think it'll be a tight one. I would've fancied our chances more against a Real Madrid or Barca and PSG were the team I wanted least along with Atletico, simply because it's something of an unknown commodity. It's probably the tie of the round for me though and there are plenty of storylines to attract the neutral.

[bushman 2,043]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/psg-v-chelsea-zlatan-ibrahimovic-claims-chelsea-are-the-super-favourites-to-advance-in-the-champions-league-9228557.html

When Zlatan speaks, all Frenchies listen.

[Fluctuat 22]

Shevy was past his best, the owner wanted him as a trophy piece not to make the team better. Pastore and Torres are massive flops you can also argue that paying 45M for Moura will also prove to be a flop...

First of all we are PSGFC fans, not CavaniFC fans. Last year we were playing with Ibrahimovic and Gameiro upfront, but the latter wasn't good enough. Leonardo was seeking for Cavani a long time ago and before his depature, he finally bring him to us.

Secondly, Ancelotti left us and we weren't prepared for this, so we had to bring in a new coach. As you know, a new coach has in own ideas (like Mata your two latest season best player who was substitute as soon as Mourinho came in). He started the season with a 4-4-2 but we were utter shit. Then he tried a 4-3-3 and it works a little bit and then better and better.

I hope that Cavani prefer winning playing at his right position rather than losing playing as a pure striker.

About the joke Mourinho made about Ligue 1, we can say the same with Bundesliga and Bayern. Of course, our squad has a lot more quality than others and Monaco is an hybrid team (some top players, some players from Ligue 2, some who have past their prime). But we can't deny the guys are doing the job anyway, like true champions.

If you know something about PSG, we have an history of big chokers or unlucky guys. Like we had 16 points lead and we finally didn't win the league. Like we were winning 0-3 at La Corogne and we took 4 goals in the 25 remaining minutes (all headers). So now, having true champions, true mentals leaders, true professionals is very good. And you might think winning the league is nothing but it makes us very happy. Yet, we are expected to win it but it is always an achievement.

Moura is a very cool and kind guy but a weird player. The guy has all you want but not waht makes you a footballer. ^^ I mean he is lightning fast, he is physically ready (not always the case for Brazilians), he has dribbling skills but he has a terrible decision making and rather poor at finishing. Recently, he did show a lot of improvement. If he can keep getting better, it will a be very good player. Let's hope he doesn't stay that raw.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Moura is a very cool and kind guy but a weird player. The guy has all you want but not waht makes you a footballer. ^^ I mean he is lightning fast, he is physically ready (not always the case for Brazilians), he has dribbling skills but he has a terrible decision making and rather poor at finishing. Recently, he did show a lot of improvement. If he can keep getting better, it will a be very good player. Let's hope he doesn't stay that raw.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that 45M is a ridiculous overpayment.

[Jase 43,479]

PSG v Chelsea Match Preview by @Strike.

[Zdar 18]

Not so ridiculous if you consider how rich our owners are, and how hard it is to persuade players to come to shitty Ligue 1

And 45M doesn't represent what it represented few years ago, in football ofcourse.

Still overpayed, he has a great potential, but, what he lacks is the most difficult to learn, usually you have it or you don't. L'intelligence de jeu in french, mhh, sense of game I'd say?

[Fluctuat 22]

Yes, but you have to pay what is needed to have the player.

Last year, you weren't willing to pay big bucks for Cavani and you didn't get him.

I think Leonardo had full power and the owners were trusting him, so if a player was going to take X amount of money in order to get him, be it.

We have still not replaced him yet, and the owners seems a little more cautious because they are questionning the quality of the players, Olivier Letang or Blanc might aim.

For a non FFP, rich as fuck PSG, 45 M is not that a big deal but for what he does at the moment, it is of course an awful amount of money. When you see a Gotze for 38M for example....

[Jase 43,479]

The full pre-match press conference (on PSG's Youtube channel)...

Starts at 3mins 50secs in..

[Dwight Schrute 114]

Correct me if I am wrong but playing home against Chelsea is mostly difficult because Chelsea let the opponent team have the ball and dominate. So you think you will score win, and the more you think so and the more you play high, but you never scores ... and comes the deadly counter attack. I have the impression Chelsea's defense (when they play away) is like a quagmire and a lot of teams fall into the trap.

As the most important is keeping a clean-sheet before the second leg, I do not know what Paris should do. Attacking, which might be dangerous, is their "natural" game but not playing your natural game is dangerous too.

Who shoots the free-kicks when Lampard doesn't play?

But....and it's a big BUT....we spent all that money to establish ourselves as a top Premier League team and that's a good thing because it's the biggest league in the world. TV rights alone are worth over three times as money as your's which means we'll have far more money to spend to maintain our position. PSG on the other hand don't just need to grow themselves, but the French league as a whole. That's what you don't understand - Chelsea aren't where they are simply because they have money. They also have the best competition in the world in the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Man United, Liverpool and Tottenham.

In 2003, best leagues are the Italian Serie A and the Spanish Liga. Almost every foreign big superstars who don't play in their domestic leagues play in those leagues: Zidane, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Scheva, Nedved, Figo, Trezeguet, Batistuta, Beckham, ... and so on. Abramovich's money is precisely one the reasons why Premier League became the best european league: 2 european cups out of the 4 won by english clubs since 2003 come from Chelsea, 3 out the 8 finals are due to Chelsea, that's quite a lot which is due to Abramovitch money.

You are telling about 5 big english clubs that are big european teams (Tottenham is far from being a big european team) but two of them have been built on money and were nothing in 2003. And please don't tell me Chelsea would have been a middle/top european team without Abrahimovic, you were having a big financial crisis back in 2003.

Anyway, telling that we should only allow teams coming from EPL to spend money because they are from EPL is a nonsense ...

Shevy was past his best

He had scored 19 goals in 28 matchs in one of the best European leagues, and 9 goals in 12 CL matches the season before he came ...

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

He had scored 19 goals in 28 matchs in one of the best European leagues, and 9 goals in 12 CL matches the season before he came ...

Too old to move up to a big league.

[Zdar 18]

Thanks

In the preview "PSG's only other European Cup semifinal came in 1994/95 when they lost out to AC Milan"

True if European Cup only means Champions League.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historique_du_parcours_europ%C3%A9en_du_Paris_Saint-Germain

[Dwight Schrute 114]

Van der Wiel will miss the match

(for French-speaking members: http://www.eurosport.fr/football/ligue-des-champions/2013-2014/psg-chelsea-van-der-wiel-forfait_sto4197342/story.shtml. Did not find an english article yet)

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Note to self: avoid CL match threads

[The Skipper 20,609]

Correct me if I am wrong but playing home against Chelsea is mostly difficult because Chelsea let the opponent team have the ball and dominate.

You're very wrong.

[Sheva. 5,373]

You're very wrong.

So you're saying, away from home we don't set-up to play on the counter, especially against better teams? mhmmmm