Clevemayer 764 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 For Bertrand finally for us plain stupid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 we have BA and essien "on the books" earning 80k and 100k respectively but are worried about bertrand's wages? weird!!Accountants eh? It all counts.how conviniently u emphasize on "league". RB was never going to be the first team player. where he is used best was in squad rotation. with the FA cup matches and replays to be played, that is where he would have been useful. also, in giving a "rest" to our fullbacks before big european nights in quarters and semis.League cup matches could've been included, except we aren't in that competition anymore and he wasn't in the last game either.what i dont get is, its fine having 3 strikers for 1 positions, 6 CMs for 2 positions but bertrand as our 7th defender is unnecessary.We're selling De Bruyne so it's 5 for 3 spots now.also, the shaw deal, still makes no sense. 20mil for him to be our 3rd choice LB cos i dont see jose dropping iva once he comes back and every1 knows his favouritism towards ash. Ash who has been dropped this season?? Luke Shaw would probably be first or second choice and then the plan would be for him to be first-choice for the next decade. How does that now make sense?also the scenario i gave u might be hypothetical but can so easily be "reality". injuries in football is not unheard of and thats why "big" teams normally have "squad" depth.True, but he's played 64 minutes of first-team league football in the first 21 games of the season. It's unlikely he would've played much and that's what these calls are based on.i mean lets look at man city - kolarov, clichy, zabaleta, richards as their fullbacks and kompany, demichellis, nastastic, and lescott as their cbs. and here we are sending a perfectly fine squad player on loanAnd in midfield that have Toure and Fernandinho.....then it's a big drop to Garcia and Rodwell. That's just the way it works sometimes. All of those players you've mentioned have played more than an hour of league football too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reddish-Blue 1,817 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Good move for Bertrand's career...he was never going to be Chelsea's #1 LB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Accountants eh? It all counts.League cup matches could've been included, except we aren't in that competition anymore and he wasn't in the last game either.We're selling De Bruyne so it's 5 for 3 spots now.Ash who has been dropped this season?? Luke Shaw would probably be first or second choice and then the plan would be for him to be first-choice for the next decade. How does that now make sense?True, but he's played 64 minutes of first-team league football in the first 21 games of the season. It's unlikely he would've played much and that's what these calls are based on.And in midfield that have Toure and Fernandinho.....then it's a big drop to Garcia and Rodwell. That's just the way it works sometimes. All of those players you've mentioned have played more than an hour of league football too.he was "injured" for the last game and has been "injured" for a long time (remembers me so much of sturridge and his "injuries"). though now i am sure he will play each and every match for villa without any "injuries".no, we have 5 AMs for 3 spots and 6 CMs for 2 spots (matic, rambo, mikel, lamps, mvg and essien). bit much!!! they have played league football cos they have been selected by their and shown some faith. bertrand would have 2nd to willian as a MOTM in the arsenal carling cup game but somehow got the boot from jose.on the other hand, AC who had a horrendous start to the season was continued to play until it became clear that he should be dropped.shaw becoming the first choice LB ahead of both azpi/cole is unrealistic in my opinion. i simply dont think that can happen in a club like chelsea. infact i think he would be loaned out to vitesse in the summer if he is bought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think and hope that Jose has something lined up to replace Ryan. I can't imagine he would be okay with leaving us this thin at the back. Maybe Coentrao on loan till the end of the season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 no, we have 5 AMs for 3 spots and 6 CMs for 2 spots (matic, rambo, mikel, lamps, mvg and essien). bit much!!! Essien seems to be on his way out and MVG is still an ACL short of playing for us.shaw becoming the first choice LB ahead of both azpi/cole is unrealistic in my opinion. i simply dont think that can happen in a club like chelsea. infact i think he would be loaned out to vitesse in the summer if he is bought. So you think Luke Shaw would be loaned out to Vitesse if we bought him??Wow. You're just wrong. I could go down the old 'well that's your opinion....' route, but you're just very wrong about that. Like really wrong. I'm looking for a metaphor to say how wrong you are but I can't think of one. That's actually broken my brain. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,974 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think and hope that Jose has something lined up to replace Ryan. I can't imagine he would be okay with leaving us this thin at the back. Maybe Coentrao on loan till the end of the season? where does it leave us regarding HomeGrown? just Cahill, Terry, Cole, Lampard so Coentrao coming in will have to be balanced by another sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Essien seems to be on his way out and MVG is still an ACL short of playing for us.So you think Luke Shaw would be loaned out to Vitesse if we bought him??Wow. You're just wrong. I could go down the old 'well that's your opinion....' route, but you're just very wrong about that. Like really wrong. I'm looking for a metaphor to say how wrong you are but I can't think of one. That's actually broken my brain.rant and sarcasm and exaggeration does not seem to settle well with u, does it???it was said with so as to show how poorly we treat our youth!!! simple as that. not everything is to be taken literally.i thought that was pretty clear from the way i wrote and what i wrote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 where does it leave us regarding HomeGrown? just Cahill, Terry, Cole, Lampard so Coentrao coming in will have to be balanced by another sale McEachran instead of Essien? No that's very unlikely. I think if Essien's leaving and we do not wish to replace him (supposing that Matic has replaced KDB) then we would not need another HG player. We simply don't use the full HG quota. I might be mistaken, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haranr 485 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It's good for the lad. If he impresses he returns and if he fails to, he'll leave. (shaw deal or something else.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,974 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 McEachran instead of Essien? No that's very unlikely. I think if Essien's leaving and we do not wish to replace him (supposing that Matic has replaced KDB) then we would not need another HG player. We simply don't use the full HG quota. I might be mistaken, though. can register just 21 players . not entirely sure how many we've got now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 rant and sarcasm and exaggeration does not seem to settle well with u, does it???it was said with so as to show how poorly we treat our youth!!! simple as that. not everything is to be taken literally.i thought that was pretty clear from the way i wrote and what i wrote.I'm fine with all that stuff, but straight-up nonsense just bores me.Look, we're talking about the loaning of a player who really wasn't part of our plans in the short, mid or long-term. It increases his value, gives him play time and maybe contributes to us buying a player (Shaw) who would be part of our plans. Yes it leaves us vulnerable if we suffered 2 or 3 injuries in defence, but other squads would struggle if they had similar situations in defence or midfield. This move just makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 This move just makes sense.not one bit to me. 2 injuries and we would be thread bare in our options and in football,2 injuries is not that is not unheard of.i hope i am wrong but this move smacks more off jose and ryan's (lets put it lightly) strained relationship than anything else. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 can register just 21 players . not entirely sure how many we've got nowI read all about this at the start of the season but have forgotten since. Will try to see if I can find an article about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drog.ba 239 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Mourinho's probably willing to use Essien at right back, especially with an extra player in defensive midfield, which leaves us 8 players for 4 positions. Ivanovic and Kalas can play right back and centreback, Luiz can cover leftback and Azpilicueta is good in both fullback positions.Hope it means Shaw is signing though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I read all about this at the start of the season but have forgotten since. Will try to see if I can find an article about it. we are fine in the homegrown area, cole, JT, GC, lamps, make 4 spots.the 3 strikers, 5 AMs, 4CMs , azpi, iva, DL, and 2 GKS = 17 players.plus 4 spots open for under-21 players who fill as the rest HG. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 we are fine in the homegrown area, cole, JT, GC, lamps, make 4 spots.the 3 strikers, 5 AMs, 4CMs , azpi, iva, DL, and 2 GKS = 17 players.plus 4 spots open for under-21 players who fill as the rest HG.But I remember reading somewhere that Oscar still counts as U21 because his birthday is after the new year or something.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thendo 1,088 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So in that case shouldn't Kalas and MvG count as U-21 aswell then? If so we should be fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 But I remember reading somewhere that Oscar still counts as U21 because his birthday is after the new year or something.. not oscar, i think that was for mvg. oscar turned 22 in september.mvg turned 21 in december and hence for some reason he is still counted as u-21.thats y i wrote 4cms (rambo, mikel, matic, essien) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 not oscar, i think that was for mvg. oscar turned 22 in september.mvg turned 21 in december and hence for some reason he is still counted as u-21.thats y i wrote 4cms (rambo, mikel, matic, essien)Great. So that means, like I said, if Essien leaves, we could get a defender like Zouma or Coentrao on loan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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