Mohamed Salah

[zolayes 14,489]

I'm not an atheist, I'm a rationalist.

LAFFS who believes some hip hop guy writes better literature than Shakespeare and that Kakuta is our future

[Term-X 7,891]

I didn't start anything.

You said religion was "the most important thing", rational people shouldn't have to see that on a secular forum.

[LAM09 6,806]

You said religion was the "most important thing", rational people shouldn't have to see that on a secular forum.

Are there any rules banning opinions?!

I don't think so.

[zolayes 14,489]

I'm not an atheist, I'm a rationalist.

you are as rational as the square root of two

[Barbara 15,149]

Fasting is not an excuse. He's a professional athlete who should look after his body the best way he can.

Fasting during pre-season is moronic.

It's uncool calling his beliefs/actions on them moronic...

What's the problem fasting in two weeks of pre-season? Players did it during the World Cup, why doing it during a few worthless game should be held against him?

I get it that people in Europe don't feel that spiritual these days and it's hard for them to understand people making sacrifices in the name of their beliefs, but respect towards one's beliefs is universal, regardless of how secular, agnostic and non-believer one can be.

I don't think two weeks of fasting will affect his pre-season in such a way his whole season is compromised.

That said I don't believe some of the issues he showed had anything to do with fasting. If he could run like he did, but didn't know what to do with the ball or had bad finishing it has more to do with lack of rhythm and/or confidence than something physical caused by his lack of energy/food.

Edited July 24, 2014 by Barbara

[sdrcfc 461]

This isn't the thread for religion v. evolution.

[romeeh 139]

Well this page should change to 17.Mohamed Salah scince he no longer wearing no. 15 shirt

[calculatingInfinity 1,459]

Just appeared?, educate yourself ffs, evolution is fact, and no.. we can't outlive ours brains.

The technological singularity is near m8. Before we know it we will be uploading our brains to the internet.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You said religion was "the most important thing", rational people shouldn't have to see that on a secular forum.

Religion is the most important thing to Muslims. So he is basically explaining Salah's point of view regarding fasting that was called "moronic", by a fellow member. Just like the only place said family in your culture comes first. It is a matter of different cultures. No need to take this further mate. Let us keep it with football performance. We aren't here to challenge each others faiths of believes. Deal mate?

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

WTF how on Earth did a debate about his religion got into this. Also fasting for a couple of weeks won't damage his strength or physical performance by any bit as he will surely has made it up after by eating more. Using fasting as an excuse/reason to berate him is unacceptable.

[Term-X 7,891]

Religion is the most important thing to Muslims. So he is basically explaining Salah's point of view regarding fasting that was called "moronic", by a fellow member. Just like the only place said family in your culture comes first. It is a matter of different cultures. No need to take this further mate. Let us keep it with football performance. We aren't here to challenge each others faiths of believes. Deal mate?

Then he should have made that more clear.

Why should we have to see dogma on a football forum?

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Then he should have made that more clear.

Why should we have to see dogma on a football forum?

As I said, someone "unintentionally" bashed fasting which is an important matter for Muslims. It is cool as this person doesn't take swings at others intentionally. To my understanding on this forum we have views from all over the world with different cultures. So I see no harm in trying to understand each other and getting along despite of our differences and backgrounds. No need for anyone to go on the offense really. I hope it is all cool mate.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Can see another thread being locked - go discuss that shit in the appropriate thread.

This thread is about Salah - who didn't have a great game, worked hard and gained some much needed fitness.

I'm going to go easy on him as fasting is tough - I've seen some guys at work and it's killing them in a sedentary job (IT) so for Salah to train and play just wow.

Anybody who knows anything about the body and metabolism will know that high intakes of sugar help the brain to be on top performance, whist when dieting or in a ketogenic state (like Salah) - brain activity is de-prioritised - which could explain some of the random decisions he made.

I'm not saying that's the answer - but I suspect it is a contributing factor - football is a culmination of all of the little things and this was one against him..

Roll on the next game

[Muzchap 8,966]

Moronic is calling his beliefs that...

What's the problem fasting in two weeks of pre-season? Players did it during the World Cup, why doing it during a few worthless game should be held against him?

I get it that people in Europe don't feel that spiritual these days and it's hard for them to understand people making sacrifices in the name of their beliefs, but respect towards one's beliefs is universal, regardless of how secular, agnostic and non-believer one can be.

I don't think two weeks of fasting will affect his pre-season in such a way his whole season is compromised.

That said I don't believe some of the issues he showed had anything to do with fasting. If he could run like he did, but didn't know what to do with the ball or had bad finishing it has more to do with lack of rhythm and/or confidence than something physical caused by his lack of energy/food.

Hey B - see my point about decision making when fasting/dieting - makes the brain poor - google it - it's like REALLY noticeable - a quick injection of sugar into the blood and the brain lights up again and people can suddenly do what they couldn't 5 mins prior..,

It's not a 100% excuse - but research and my own observations show it does affect people (guys at work - forgetting basic stuff)

[Barbara 15,149]

Hey B - see my point about decision making when fasting/dieting - makes the brain poor - google it - it's like REALLY noticeable - a quick injection of sugar into the blood and the brain lights up again and people can suddenly do what they couldn't 5 mins prior..,

It's not a 100% excuse - but research and my own observations show it does affect people (guys at work - forgetting basic stuff)

I stand corrected then

Either way, it's his right to choose to do it, and I don't think in a moment like the first couple of weeks of pre-season it's a huge factor or detractor.

He'll be fine physically the rest of the season.

[Muzchap 8,966]

I stand corrected then

Either way, it's his right to choose to do it, and I don't think in a moment like the first couple of weeks of pre-season it's a huge factor or detractor.

He'll be fine physically the rest of the season.

Heh not trying to correct you just pointing out what I believe to be a contributing factor. I admire the guy - I don't think I could do it - so I guess he has lots of guts, determination and desire to do this.

I think he will be fine for the rest of the season too - it's not all about physical condition, mental strength is also hugely important - and like I say his mental attributes must be good to be so disciplined - so I'm cool with the situation

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

We call this thing "black fast" in Romania - no food and water until the sun comes down. Young people don't do it, but old people do it during important events.

I know it's a hard thing to do and that's why I'm asking the Egyptian guys - do you know for sure he is fasting?

I mean, how can anyone train twice a day and not eat or drink water? Or play a football match at 19:30 local time in Austria w/o eating and drinking water all day?

[Spike 12,049]

This is over. No more debates on religion here, take it elsewhere.

And just for my two cents, militant atheists are equally annoying as religious zealots.