Beirut_Blues 306 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 U dont luv jose more than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakozium257 350 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's embarassing how many people, from Mourinho to the fans, are being blinded by our good run without Mata that they start to think he's useless. Don't any of you remember the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons where we (many times) had reserve players on the bench, where we wished almost hopelessly that we could have the squad that we have now, and now that things are going well, Mata should be sold ''for his own sake'', add insult to injury, to that scum club up north? Seriously? How about you go to redcafe and read what those inbreds are saying, calling us for example cunts and that we should give him to them on a silver platter? Since when do we want to sell one of important players to that sh*thole? The thought of it makes me boil right to the bones. Optimist or not, I think that Mata still is important to us like he was under AVB, RDM and Benitez, and cut off the ''he can't play under Mourinho's system bla bla bla''. If he gets to play centrally like Ozil did @ Real, + the inclusion of Matic, do you really think he would be hopeless? Did you see Oscar against the red scum? Tell me again how much he contributed in the 10 role that Mata couldn't have done more or less. ephreak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephreak 42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's embarassing how many people, from Mourinho to the fans, are being blinded by our good run without Mata that they start to think he's useless. Don't any of you remember the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons where we (many times) had reserve players on the bench, where we wished almost hopelessly that we could have the squad that we have now, and now that things are going well, Mata should be sold ''for his own sake'', add insult to injury, to that scum club up north? Seriously? How about you go to redcafe and read what those inbreds are saying, calling us for example cunts and that we should give him to them on a silver platter? Since when do we want to sell one of important players to that sh*thole? The thought of it makes me boil right to the bones. Optimist or not, I think that Mata still is important to us like he was under AVB, RDM and Benitez, and cut off the ''he can't play under Mourinho's system bla bla bla''. If he gets to play centrally like Ozil did @ Real, + the inclusion of Matic, do you really think he would be hopeless? Did you see Oscar against the red scum? Tell me again how much he contributed in the 10 role that Mata couldn't have done more or less. Standing ovation for this post. Just beautiful. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Cosmin 2,484 Posted January 21, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's embarassing how many people, from Mourinho to the fans, are being blinded by our good run without Mata that they start to think he's useless. Don't any of you remember the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons where we (many times) had reserve players on the bench, where we wished almost hopelessly that we could have the squad that we have now, and now that things are going well, Mata should be sold ''for his own sake'', add insult to injury, to that scum club up north? Seriously? How about you go to redcafe and read what those inbreds are saying, calling us for example cunts and that we should give him to them on a silver platter? Since when do we want to sell one of important players to that sh*thole? The thought of it makes me boil right to the bones. Optimist or not, I think that Mata still is important to us like he was under AVB, RDM and Benitez, and cut off the ''he can't play under Mourinho's system bla bla bla''. If he gets to play centrally like Ozil did @ Real, + the inclusion of Matic, do you really think he would be hopeless? Did you see Oscar against the red scum? Tell me again how much he contributed in the 10 role that Mata couldn't have done more or less. I can't see who on this forum said that it's ok to sell Mata to manure.I also don't think anyone said that he is useless, a bad player or anything like this. I, for example, am just pointing out the facts. He doesn't play too much under Mourinho. That's a fact. And when he does, his performances are mediocre. That's another fact. This could be interpreted as Mourinho's option or as Mourinho's mistake. If you think that Mata playing good, where he likes to play and how he likes to play, with Chelsea finishing sixth or third in the League is good for anyone, then this is Mourinho's mistake. If you think that Mata not being a part of a Chelsea team that's qualified in the UCL and with good chances at winning the League, then this is Mourinho's option.For me it's as clear as possible that Mata won't be a part of this team anymore. Jose doesn't want to use him as he is and he doesn't want to change, to adapt. If he won't leave now, he will leave in the summer. That's the truth. Hate it or love it. Kish9, Reddish-Blue, gary gordon and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's embarassing how many people, from Mourinho to the fans, are being blinded by our good run without Mata that they start to think he's useless. Don't any of you remember the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons where we (many times) had reserve players on the bench, where we wished almost hopelessly that we could have the squad that we have now, and now that things are going well, Mata should be sold ''for his own sake'', add insult to injury, to that scum club up north? Seriously? How about you go to redcafe and read what those inbreds are saying, calling us for example cunts and that we should give him to them on a silver platter? Since when do we want to sell one of important players to that sh*thole? The thought of it makes me boil right to the bones. Optimist or not, I think that Mata still is important to us like he was under AVB, RDM and Benitez, and cut off the ''he can't play under Mourinho's system bla bla bla''. If he gets to play centrally like Ozil did @ Real, + the inclusion of Matic, do you really think he would be hopeless? Did you see Oscar against the red scum? Tell me again how much he contributed in the 10 role that Mata couldn't have done more or less. Sorry but you really come off as a Mata fanboy. No one is being blinded. The team's philosophy is set in such a way that a no.10 that has a huge attacking work-rate, can only be the one that fits in. No one is denying how good he has been in previous seasons. There is a strong reason behind him being our two time, consecutive, POTY. Mata always gets to play centrally, but our system means the three upfront are a hybrid profile in such a way that they switch positions constantly. That's what makes us fluid. To stop that progress and go back just to fit Mata in is stupid. Chelsea FC, not Mata FC. Oscar didn't have the best of days against United, but he has been one of our standout performers this season so far, along with Eden and JT. Mata suffered against Soton, even though he did everything right, we all saw the difference Oscar and Willian made. No one here want's to sell him to United, but we also want the best for Juan because he deserves much better than what he's getting right now. A scenario in which it is neither ours or the player's fault. CHOULO19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainttourist 68 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I don't get it, we already lost one AM, now MU want another. Hardly see Jose to go second part of the season with only Schurrle for cover. It reminds summer rumor about Cesc just after Alcantara leaving. No money can force big club to sell if it will weaker them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakozium257 350 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sorry but you really come off as a Mata fanboy. No one is being blinded. The team's philosophy is set in such a way that a no.10 that has a huge attacking work-rate, can only be the one that fits in. No one is denying how good he has been in previous seasons. There is a strong reason behind him being our two time, consecutive, POTY. Mata always gets to play centrally, but our system means the three upfront are a hybrid profile in such a way that they switch positions constantly. That's what makes us fluid. To stop that progress and go back just to fit Mata in is stupid. Chelsea FC, not Mata FC. Oscar didn't have the best of days against United, but he has been one of our standout performers this season so far, along with Eden and JT. Mata suffered against Soton, even though he did everything right, we all saw the difference Oscar and Willian made. No one here want's to sell him to United, but we also want the best for Juan because he deserves much better than what he's getting right now. A scenario in which it is neither ours or the player's fault.I'm not a Mata or anyf*****body's ''fanboy'', I love and appreciate him just as much as I do with Oscar and all the other players, if what you're saying is your opinion, then be it, we shall agree to disagree. My point is that the club has suffered shortages of important players because they were sold/released on premises such as surplus to requirements before or the coach/board thought we had enough players to win the PL, FA and/or CL, and even though 10-11 and 11-12 are passé and we had a great happy ending in '12 by winning the FA and CL, I don't ever want to endure the feelings of frustration and hopelessness that often came around during those harsh times. Unbelieving in players who relatively have proven their potential, like Mata or Sturridge can be such a blow, and who says he can't fit in that ''system'' as time passes by? But whatever, I definitely don't want us to have a bad period where Mata comes and makes a difference just to get that ''I told you so'' moment, but I ain't got the time nor energy to discuss like a pundit, I'll just mind my own business and spare my energy and good vibes, and just wish for a great turnaround for Mata, the strikers and all the others who relatively are having a harsh time atm... didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've never been a big fan of Mata's. I thought he had great seasons for us, certainly an important player, but I look around and the other top CAMs are better than him. I do think he's bit on the slow side for that position. He's a very good player, but really don't rate him as a top 10 CAM.I understand why Jose, along with Chelsea, are betting on Oscar: he is younger and more rounded than Mata. They reckon Oscar has a higher ceiling while Mata is already at his peak.However, let's just forget Oscar for a moment. Mata's problem and the reason he'd want to leave isn't because he is behind Oscar, or because he is a rotation player. He just doesn't play under Jose. Jose is not liking what Mata has been producing and that's the reason Mata's (presumably) unhappy and would want to leave. Now, I'd not have a problem if we sold him for say 40m... that's the beauty selling in the January window as it is a sellers market. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 We all appreciate Mata. However, the bottom line is Jose´s decision. Since he has not played him much, then what´s the sense keeping him ?Recent rumor, Mata might be sold between 40 to 45m. That is just irresistible price for Jose to refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustafa 885 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Please please please please please pleeeease someone tell me Mata is not leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Selling him to United without getting Rooney in return would be the stupidest thing this club has ever done. Even worse than the £50m Torres buy. sdrcfc, Mustafa and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 They can piss right off...a whole summer of Rooney blahness and getting sod all and then they come along 'Off he can go'...selling Sturridge to Liverpool backfired...Arsenal selling RVP backfired and made them stronger.Not rivals as it stands but it wont last and we shouldnt be the ones making them stronger Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 this deal would be great if Chelsea could give ManUtd a discount on Mata for taking Torres too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyfreshh 164 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mata for rooney Anne it's a deal.. No way we should give them the special juan unless we get rooney in return. sdrcfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Our stance on selling any players to domestic rivals should be exactly like Uniteds. NO FUCKING CHANCE.. If we do sell Mata to them, it should be for Rooney plus money on top. Other then that option, they can go fuck themselves. Thendo and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samzilla 517 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 man u fans already pencilling mata into mock lineups on redcafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 man u fans already pencilling mata into mock lineups on redcafeand as a winger too he is a "10", not a fucking winger, you don't pay 40 mil Quid for a playmaker just to waste him on the wings. fucking redcafe and fucking man u fans, they don't even know his natural position. Hope this transfer story will last a bit long so that Jose can call it off in the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samzilla 517 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 and as a winger too he is a "10", not a fucking winger, you don't pay 40 mil Quid for a playmaker just to waste him on the wings. fucking redcafe and fucking man u fans, they don't even know his natural position. Hope this transfer story will last a bit long so that Jose can call it off in the last minute. Lol, well as they say, he can't usurp the mighty Rooney, haha.Seriously though, this transaction does not make sense at this time from a game theory point of view. -If Mata really wants playing time to make his case for national team selection, there's a million other clubs he can go to in january that don't strengthen our rivals at one of their weakest positions. -If Mata really wants to go to Man U, he can go in the summer for a big fee.I know Mou will do what's best for Mata ultimately, he obviously cares about his players immensely. But I can't see him hurting the squad at this time to do it. Time will tell I guess. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,507 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 and as a winger too he is a "10", not a fucking winger, you don't pay 40 mil Quid for a playmaker just to waste him on the wings. fucking redcafe and fucking man u fans, they don't even know his natural position. Hope this transfer story will last a bit long so that Jose can call it off in the last minute. Moyes won't bench Rooney...and when RvP is fit, he'll play as the lone striker.....hence the only spots left in the team is LW or RW? Korea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 He should be sold to PSG and with the money we shall buy a world-class striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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