Ricardo Rodriguez

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

i dont know how u guys watch every player in the world, but according to whoscored, doesnt seem like a small difference...

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244

Luke Shaw's Characteristics

+ Strengths

Dribbling

Strong

- Weaknesses

Passing

Weak

Holding on to the ball

Weak

Luke Shaw's Style of Play

• Likes to dribble
• Likes to cross
• Likes to play short passes

© WhoScored.com

* Strengths, weaknesses and style of play are calculated from player statistics in domestic league games this season and last

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/61610/Show/Ricardo-Rodriguez

Ricardo Rodriguez's Characteristics

+ Strengths

Crossing

Strong

Key passes

Strong

Dribbling

Strong

Direct free kicks

Strong

Taking set-pieces

Strong

Holding on to the ball

Strong

Aerial Duels

Strong

Ball interception

Strong

Tackling

Strong

- Weaknesses

Concentration

Weak

Ricardo Rodriguez's Style of Play

• Likes to play long balls
• Plays the ball off the ground often
• Likes to dribble
• Likes to cross
• Commits fouls often

© WhoScored.com

I understand the whole English thing.

At Madrid, it was the same thing, with Jose and company bringing in all foreign players... Everyone was villified, save Cristiano.

Are we seriously judging players on Who Scored now? Fucksake. I think I preferred Football Manager.

[Fernando 6,585]

Well, he is good enough clearly. That's not the debate here. If we signed Shaw he'd be number 1 left back here IMO. I'm of the opinion that an English club needs to promote it's own talent, especially if said talent is good enough, which is the case with Luke Shaw. RR might be the better player right now, but Luke Shaw is not far behind at all, and Luke Shaw is also 3 years younger. Also the fact that Luke is a Chelsea fan... so for me, if we can get Shaw for a nice price I'd definitely take him over RR.

You said it right, for a nice price.

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And this is coming from an international member ^

It's about culture, it's about history, it's about identity. As a semi-italian football fan I WANT to see italian players at Milan & Napoli for example. It has nothing to do with me being english or Leif being a bitter scot.

Smh, philistines.

Culture, history and identity? Funny thing is that's what arsenal fans are always preaching and say how we have none......

[The only place to be 11,313]

Just buy the better player whether it's Shaw or Ricardo. There seems to be a neanderthal mentality slowly growing on here and it's really awkward. I'm reading what I think are suggestions that players should be prioritised due to their origin...or should we say, 'people'; not 'players'.

Let's just leave nationalities out of it. On the pitch they play with their feet, not their passport.

Signing Shaw over Rodriguez because the latter is Swiss or the former is English would be beyond ignorant and definitely questionable.

Just don't want visitors on the forum and rival fans thinking we're xenophobes personally.

What a load of tosh. Very right-on but completely ignores the reality of football.

We're a multi-cultural club and that is to our benefit. It's fantastic going to the Bridge and seeing fans from all over the world congregating to support this club, much like it is on this site. But ultimately we are an English club with strong roots in the community and a very distinctive English flavour to the club. That's why people from around the world are attracted to us in part. It's not something we should be shy of saying and it's certainly not something we should label haphazardly with words like 'xenophobic' when people support the notion of us signing a local lad who supports the club and just happens to have world-class potential.

This Rodriguez guy is a good player too, but Shaw is 3 years younger and looking mightily impressive in the Premier League. It isn't neanderthal to want English players of a high calibre at this English club.

[Strike 7,475]

Luke Shaw for me. Rodriguez is clearly good but there will come a time in 1 or 2 years when most of the English core will leave. Lampard JT Ash. Should replace them soon and Shaw fits the bill perfectly

[Sheva. 5,373]

Are we seriously judging players on Who Scored now? Fucksake. I think I preferred Football Manager.

Whats wrong with Whoscored? players are judged on what they do on the pitch for the full 90 minutes and they're usually very accurate.

[Strike 7,475]

Whats wrong with Whoscored? players are judged on what they do on the pitch for the full 90 minutes and they're usually very accurate.

yeah they're the best of its kind but then again Martin Skrtel was MOTM vs Chelsea last month on whoscored

[shellpick 13]

it is nice to see a thread I longed for. IMO this guy is better than Luke Shaw. I understand the challenge we are facing when our english core players are gone in the following years. but is it so desperate that we have to buy expensive and young players who just might be one of them? acturally I also think very highly of Luke Shaw, but he is not good enough to compare with Ashley or Azp now. Ricardo is a better choice because he can qualify the first team and he is able to earn the starting XI position all by his own capacities.

If we want to fulfill the registration limit on home-grown or country-grown players we can get our own players like bertrand on the bench or chalobah trained by chelsea academy. if we want to get core players in england national team, go get the players who is more certain to be one like barkley, clyne and even famous stars like rooney. it will be a shame for us to make the same mistake after seeing how liverpool failed in the recent years with downing, caroll and adam.

[Sheva. 5,373]

yeah they're the best of its kind but then again Martin Skrtel was MOTM vs Chelsea last month on whoscored

Because stats fail sometimes

But the part they show a players strengths and weaknesses, as well as style of play = as good as it gets.

Ramires for example is good at tackling and has trouble holding on to the ball - pretty accurate, i'd say.

[Waterfall 893]

Whats wrong with Whoscored? players are judged on what they do on the pitch for the full 90 minutes and they're usually very accurate.

Because football is a sport that's hard to judge using statistics. Even the advanced stats that clubs have are unreliable; raw stats that are available to the public are largely misleading because you need context. Pass completion rate for example have lots of variables like distance, defenders in between, pressure the passer is under, pace of the pass, movement of the target etc. Also take a look at their PL best XI so far. Patrice Evra, who has been dreadful this season, made the team, and they have Gerrard there too.

[blu35_army 551]

Thanks,,but if your reference only in Youtube. this player offer some attacking and conneccting to Hazard too...

but,,yes for HG even it's overpriced for Shaw. Shaw-PvA give more energy in attacking in the future...

[Sheva. 5,373]

Because football is a sport that's hard to judge using statistics. Even the advanced stats that clubs have are unreliable; raw stats that are available to the public are largely misleading because you need context. Pass completion rate for example have lots of variables like distance, defenders in between, pressure the passer is under, pace of the pass, movement of the target etc. Also take a look at their PL best XI so far. Patrice Evra, who has been dreadful this season, made the team, and they have Gerrard there too.

Stats can be misleading but not always. Pass completion is the hardest to form any conclusions on really, we can both agree on that.

But certain ones like Key passes, aerial duels won/lost, chance conversion; show how effective a player is at specific areas.

About their PL XI: tbf, stats won't show you all the times Evra falls asleep and allows his man to ghost past. But he's always present in attack, creating chances and scoring a few, which help his rating.

As for Gerrard, he has 4 goals and 6 assists in the league, as well as 2.5 tackles and 2.5 key passes a game. Statistically he's doing a great job.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Would prefer to get this guy on a cheapish deal as opposed to spunking over 20m on Shaw tbh, with FFP and all that stuff coming in we need to be shrewd when we can in the market. Both are very good prospects, right now I think Rodriguez is a better player due to having played more games but in all honesty I've seen him play maybe 5 or 6 times so maybe I'm wrong. I'd have him or Shaw though both are very good prospects... we will need a LB soon though with Ash coming towards the end of his career.

[Korea 734]

Are you guys serious....

You guys make it seem like you scout every player in the world...

Somehow, I dont believe that you guys watch every football game from every football league.... Its one thing to argue with players on Chelsea that we see week in and week out concerning stats, but its another thing to argue on players that you probably never seen on a weekly basis... I would take their website over your opinion when it comes from guys outside of the BPL...

I can understand taking in Shaw due to being English, etc, however, not that hes better or will better... How is Gibbs and Walker doing?

This guy can be the guy that unlocks Hazard true potential, similar to what Marcelo does for Cristiano.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Chelsea is owned by a russian, with a Portuguese manager...

I highly doubt they would care...

So, this whole thread is dealing with being english moreso than homegrown?

I dont know what you think of Chelsea, but its ENGLISH club and ENGLISH clubs have ENGLISH players. It would be sick if we had not a single englishman in first eleven.

Players from home land give club extra respect, imagine Barca without spanish players or Bayern without german. We already have problems in having english players, but to have none, it would be fucking disaster. Period.

[Korea 734]

I dont know what you think of Chelsea, but its ENGLISH club and ENGLISH clubs have ENGLISH players. It would be sick if we had not a single englishman in first eleven.

Players from home land give club extra respect, imagine Barca without spanish players or Bayern without german. We already have problems in having english players, but to have none, it would be fucking disaster. Period.

I think its more pride....

Young kids all hear barca fans being proud of Xavi, iniesta, puyol, valdes all coming up from their academy, etc. However, in the EPL, thats not the case. EPL is run by foreign talent. The top players are mostly foreign players for the league.

Maybe your too young to remember barca before that period, with Ronaldinho, messi, eto, motta, deco, edmilson, van bommel, etc....

"I remember Barça played eleven or twelve years ago with eleven outsiders. This goes in phases. It's not like they can boast playing eleven home-grown players now. That's the message they're trying to put across at the moment, but a few years back they barely had any home-grown players. They started with Puyol and Xavi." - Iker Casillas

Lets see how many make it from Barca now.....

On a side note, I completely understand the whole English concept. However, my point was if their was a huge gap in talent from those two and transfer fees it might be better too look closely into Rodriguez than..

Also, we already have Cahill, and Chabs is suppose to be this uber CM for the future.