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It would have been better if he would have gone abroad to say Juventus. I don't like the strengthening of direct rivals, which we have done in recent years. I mean bar Torres we never really buy any players from the top 6 in England. Of course, Matic isn't exactly a top player, but would United sell us Martial for example? I doubt it.

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1 hour ago, Peace. said:

That is paranoia.

The same was said for Mata — since then we won two PL while Manchester United finished respectively 7th, 5th, 4th and 6th... When de Bruyne signed for Manchester City, it was all doom and dark. They finished 3rd and 4th... The same goes for Sturridge and Gallas — and probably many others that I do forget. Basically, when was the time we let one of our player go to a direct rival and had to pay the price afterward ? Had we been talking about Hazard, such a paranoia could be justified, but come on... People on this forum love to freak out, my word.

Let them have our Serbian Marshal. I am looking forward to see a midfield-three of Matic-Pogba-Fellaini — it will be a sight to behold.

It's not about paranoia or how many trophies has the player led the other club to. The bigger point here is I've never been a fan of selling a player to a direct rival, however useful or useless the player is. Take Matic's case as an example. I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed. Now, we're gonna lose that bit of squad depth and strengthen our rivals' squad depth. The 40m bid for someone like Matic is certainly hard to turn down and if we reinvest that to get someone better, then fine. But then again, this is Chelsea we're talking about here. In any case, that part of "helping" out a rival just doesn't sit well with me.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

It's not about paranoia or how many trophies has the player led the other club to. The bigger point here is I've never been a fan of selling a player to a direct rival, however useful or useless the player is. Take Matic's case as an example. I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed. Now, we're gonna lose that bit of squad depth and strengthen our rivals' squad depth. The 40m bid for someone like Matic is certainly hard to turn down and if we reinvest that to get someone better, then fine. But then again, this is Chelsea we're talking about here. In any case, that part of "helping" out a rival just doesn't sit well with me.

If we are talking about our best player, then yes it should be mandatory to not sell him to an English team. In any other case, if the offer is good, then we should sell him. The situation with de Bruyne has shown us that doing this kind of calculation is inefective and that if an English team realy wants one of our players, they will buy him anyway one year later from that foreign team. Had we sold him directly to Manchester City, the current situation would have been the same nonetheless — aside of us having 30 million pounds additional in our pockets.

So let's keep Matic, and what will happen ? Manchester United will regardless buy another midfielder — a midfielder that might be better than the Serbian Marshal. And as for us, we will have on our hands a player who is, a fortiori, not desired ; and who thus will waste a place in the squad.

So then let's sell him abroad for a lesser price ! Manchester United will nonetheless get their new midfielder — a midfielder that, once again, might be better than Matic. And if the Madlić of midfielders is truly desired by Manchester United, they will buy him one year later.

End result : at best, they have their midfielder and we win a hefty amount of money ; at worst, they will have their midfielder nonetheless and we will have nothing but a non desired player on our hands. This kind of scheming amounts to pissing in the wind or to try to stop a brook with your bare hands. It is useless, it does not work and is probably a waste of incomes more than anything.

As for the notion of "helping" them, it is highly debatable — if anything, it is more probably a disservice. On the contrary, a real "help" which we could provide them with would be to keep a crippling liability. So let them have their Serbian Marshal as it would not change a damn thing on the big picture and let us get rid of this average player and have good money — and most importantly, let us enjoy intricate interplays between Post-Afro Fellaini and Marshal Matic.

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

I mean sure, he's an average player and should never be a first choice starter for us. But he's a decent squad player to have and he can come in to a decent job if needed.

And in regards to the usefulness that Marshal Matic could be to us, I beg to differ. On the bench, you need a series of different kinds of player — kinds of player which the Serbian Gliding Machine is not. You need one or two experienced players that can add that little extra thanks to their years of experience at top flight level, but also because their are characters that other less experienced players can rally behind. This is something that can be said of Fabregas (and also explain why he should be on the bench and not in the first team — or Pedro for that matter). This is also why Danni Alves would have been a good player to have.

You also need one or two jack-of-all-trades which can allow you to have flexibility during games and in-between them. And how God, the Serbian Magician is anything but that — actually, aside of maybe Courtois, he is the most unidimensional player we have at our disposal. On the contrary, Pedro, Willian and Alonso nay Moses are players that fit the bill.

Additionally, it is important to have one or two "specialists", that is, a player that has some type of quality in abundance. The best thing would be to have an attacking player with a lot of speed and/or trickeries to add dynamics late in the games where we need to score. On the contrary, a big, tall and strong defensive minded player to close the game when we have to — and that who is a good header as well. The Serbian Control Tower may be tall but he is not strong, nor dynamic or good with his head (and not only to strike the ball !!).

Finally, you need a Super Pipo to nick goals every now and then — and Super Pipo, Super Matic is not.

The Serbian Superstar is none of that. He is a terrible player for the first team and an even more terrible player for the bench. He is a painfully average player with no significant and glaring quality aside of looking gauche ; a player that should play in a midtable team God knows where.

 

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3 hours ago, DDA said:

"Jose is able to do what Conte clearly isn't..Namely and bring the best out in players"... 

 

Wait. What did you just say!?

 

 

 I know. Apart from his obvious deficiencies in logical thinking, this guy's irrational and OTT fondness for Matic does not only blur his view on Matic himself but on all surrounding circumstance. 

 

@TheWiz you definitely should seek professional help. This is getting out of control! 

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9 hours ago, The Skipper said:

40m plus no Fabinho to Utd? Sign me up. 

i wish we sign fabinho. He is the kind of player we need. 

 

11 hours ago, Peace. said:

And in regards to the usefulness that Marshal Matic could be to us, I beg to differ. On the bench, you need a series of different kinds of player — kinds of player which the Serbian Gliding Machine is not. You need one or two experienced players that can add that little extra thanks to their years of experience at top flight level, but also because their are characters that other less experienced players can rally behind. This is something that can be said of Fabregas (and also explain why he should be on the bench and not in the first team — or Pedro for that matter). This is also why Danni Alves would have been a good player to have.

You also need one or two jack-of-all-trades which can allow you to have flexibility during games and in-between them. And how God, the Serbian Magician is anything but that — actually, aside of maybe Courtois, he is the most unidimensional player we have at our disposal. On the contrary, Pedro, Willian and Alonso nay Moses are players that fit the bill.

Additionally, it is important to have one or two "specialists", that is, a player that has some type of quality in abundance. The best thing would be to have an attacking player with a lot of speed and/or trickeries to add dynamics late in the games where we need to score. On the contrary, a big, tall and strong defensive minded player to close the game when we have to — and that who is a good header as well. The Serbian Control Tower may be tall but he is not strong, nor dynamic or good with his head (and not only to strike the ball !!).

Finally, you need a Super Pipo to nick goals every now and then — and Super Pipo, Super Matic is not.

The Serbian Superstar is none of that. He is a terrible player for the first team and an even more terrible player for the bench. He is a painfully average player with no significant and glaring quality aside of looking gauche ; a player that should play in a midtable team God knows where.

 

Fabinho give flexibility because he plays two positions and he plays them better that what we have. He plays RB very well(better that moses) and at the same time plays CDM well and at the moment better than Matic.

That is the player we should chase because with him in the starting line up we could change formations and use other options without making substitutions. That's flexibility

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12 hours ago, Peace. said:

If we are talking about our best player, then yes it should be mandatory to not sell him to an English team. In any other case, if the offer is good, then we should sell him. The situation with de Bruyne has shown us that doing this kind of calculation is inefective and that if an English team realy wants one of our players, they will buy him anyway one year later from that foreign team. Had we sold him directly to Manchester City, the current situation would have been the same nonetheless — aside of us having 30 million pounds additional in our pockets.

So let's keep Matic, and what will happen ? Manchester United will regardless buy another midfielder — a midfielder that might be better than the Serbian Marshal. And as for us, we will have on our hands a player who is, a fortiori, not desired ; and who thus will waste a place in the squad.

So then let's sell him abroad for a lesser price ! Manchester United will nonetheless get their new midfielder — a midfielder that, once again, might be better than Matic. And if the Madlić of midfielders is truly desired by Manchester United, they will buy him one year later.

End result : at best, they have their midfielder and we win a hefty amount of money ; at worst, they will have their midfielder nonetheless and we will have nothing but a non desired player on our hands. This kind of scheming amounts to pissing in the wind or to try to stop a brook with your bare hands. It is useless, it does not work and is probably a waste of incomes more than anything.

As for the notion of "helping" them, it is highly debatable — if anything, it is more probably a disservice. On the contrary, a real "help" which we could provide them with would be to keep a crippling liability. So let them have their Serbian Marshal as it would not change a damn thing on the big picture and let us get rid of this average player and have good money — and most importantly, let us enjoy intricate interplays between Post-Afro Fellaini and Marshal Matic.

The only regret for me as a chelsea fan is the sale of de Bruyne and thats all because if we had been calm a bit we would have had a younger fabregas in our squad but the other players we sold apart from them playing the revenge game when we face their teams and some getting to score us or boss us around i their positions ex ryan bertrand( another player i regret a bit about knowing that he is a champions league winner and might end up at Mancity) and maybe Oriol Romeu who would have been a good squad player, the others don't really matter(Salah, Cuadrado & Co). i was angry with Mourihno thou when he sold Schurrle. He would have had a good career if we didn't end it buy selling him to wolfsburg. 

For 40m+ i mean come on there is no way we are going to want to keep Matic. What i would like to see is chelsea use that 40m to land Naby Keita of RB Leipzig or Kondogbia of Inter. they will good additions to the squad.

 

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Not sure how I feel about this. I could see Matic fitting-in quite well alongside Herrera and Pogba, as the two of them offset his weaknesses very nicely. That being said, Fabinho looks to be the superior, more dynamic and more versatile player, so if they get Matic instead of him we may actually benefit (both from the money we receive, and due to Man Utd's midfield being weaker than it has the potential to be).

It's a shame that it's come to this, though, as Matic looked truly world-class in his first year at Chelsea. Whilst he's contributed well at times since then (particularly in the first-half of our most recent season), I can only agree with all those who claim that his overall standard of play has fallen quite considerably: he's now a solid 7/10 player rather than the 9/10 player he was threatining to be. Maybe he can improve his level in the near future (here, or at Man Utd?). I suppose we'll see fairly soon. 

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

 I know. Apart from his obvious deficiencies in logical thinking, this guy's irrational and OTT fondness for Matic does not only blur his view on Matic himself but on all surrounding circumstance. 

 

@TheWiz you definitely should seek professional help. This is getting out of control! 

 

I don't even know anymore, what to reply to your ever growing personal Statements directed toward me.

I'd be happy for you if you would come out with clear Sense and Footballing Arguments at least once ... Your hatred towards Matic and your irrational Wish of unloading him to another Team blurs completely your knowledge of football, which in itself, is not much more than the quantity of a Nutshell.

I do mean, what I say  ... That is, when Conte says ... "With my help, Matic can be (one of) the best Midfielders in Europe" .... I take him by his Word.

Maybe you don't do that ... because you don't care ore mybe you don't even know what those Words mean ... But I do ... And if he says something like that but a Season later a big Chunk of Chelsea Fans want to see Matic kicked out of the Team ... That means Conte has failed (to some extent).

I don't know how to explain it to you in a more detailed, understandable way ...

 

However, all that aside ... I know what an exceptional Talent Matic is ... Everbody with an Eye fore Football can see that .. That's why Conte didnt want to sell him, when he took over .. And that's why Mourinho wants to buy him again. Now, how much more Logic do you need?

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