Nemanja Matic

[Spike 12,049]

2 hours ago, BlueLion said:

 

Shame, quite fancy some yuk sung. 

I'm more of a lumpia man, myself.

[Beepu 1,714]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

I'm more of a lumpia man, myself.

Lumpia is more of a South East Asian dish though, with Chinese origin. Go for them chicken leg mayne

[Spike 12,049]

2 minutes ago, Beepu said:

Lumpia is more of a South East Asian dish though, with Chinese origin.

I know. The word is still Chinese and it was introduced through China. It may be more common throughout SE but that doesn't refute it's origins.

It's pretty much the same as dimsum anyway.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

14 hours ago, Beepu said:

Can imagine you saying that in a ridiculous British accent!! 

 

I have the most neutral English accent possible coming from the East Midlands, so you'd find my voice quite boring! 

[Spike 12,049]

6 hours ago, BlueLion said:

 

I have the most neutral English accent possible coming from the East Midlands, so you'd find my voice quite boring! 

Much like other aspects of your life. Personality, romance, adventure; all quite boring.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 3 de fevereiro de 2016 at 8:51 PM, Robguima said:

Unfair IMO - people must know he's playing out of position, right?

He's not the paciest of guys and is roaming around like a headless chicken because that's his role when sitting next to Mikel.

Concerning our lack of creativity and attacking, that's on the manager - no other. He starts both DMs against Watford which invites the draw. He's playing safe.

Stand by the obvious: Matic has played at a very high level before and very consistently at that. Ignore the evidence all you like, but for me you'd be dissing one of the the few excellent players we got in the squad.

We are not talking about a player like Hazard playing as CF, or a player like Mata playing as a winger that is supposed to mark the opponents and is stuck in the left side of the pitch, or even Ramires playing as winger. Those player were playing out of position. You can't say the same about Matic. You are only saying the same thing I've been saying about Matic since day one: he is a one dimensional player. A player that would do fine in one very specific tactic, approach and position. If he can't even play as a 2nd DM otherwise he will play like a headless chick, as you said, then he is no more than an one dimensional player. 

Matic is not dynamic and he is incredibly slow. He is one of the main reasons why this team has always been so vulnerable to counter attacks. 

[Gilvorak 3,734]

6 hours ago, Henrique said:

We are not talking about a player like Hazard playing as CF, or a player like Mata playing as a winger that is supposed to mark the opponents and is stuck in the left side of the pitch, or even Ramires playing as winger. Those player were playing out of position. You can't say the same about Matic. You are only saying the same thing I've been saying about Matic since day one: he is a one dimensional player. A player that would do fine in one very specific tactic, approach and position. If he can't even play as a 2nd DM otherwise he will play like a headless chick, as you said, then he is no more than an one dimensional player. 

Matic is not dynamic and he is incredibly slow. He is one of the main reasons why this team has always been so vulnerable to counter attacks. 

You don't even need pace to be a great DM if your positional sense is great. Look at Alonso, Kroos, Busquets, Motta etc

[robsblubot 3,217]

16 hours ago, Henrique said:

We are not talking about a player like Hazard playing as CF, or a player like Mata playing as a winger that is supposed to mark the opponents and is stuck in the left side of the pitch, or even Ramires playing as winger. Those player were playing out of position. You can't say the same about Matic. You are only saying the same thing I've been saying about Matic since day one: he is a one dimensional player. A player that would do fine in one very specific tactic, approach and position. If he can't even play as a 2nd DM otherwise he will play like a headless chick, as you said, then he is no more than an one dimensional player. 

Matic is not dynamic and he is incredibly slow. He is one of the main reasons why this team has always been so vulnerable to counter attacks. 

I disagree with (almost) every point you made in this post.  We'd need take it to another thread not to derail this one. BTW, Mata and Ramires are still looking for their position. 

Also, when you wrote Matic is not dynamic, who are you disagreeing with here? I for one did not say he was. However, a wide gulf separates "Not Dynamic" from "incredibly slow." I'd call Mikel incredibly slow, as Alexis would attest. Matic is slow just like Yaya is. They are both pretty tall and heavy.

It's all really relative. DMs in general are more one dimensional players - it's a called a defensive specialist for a reason. Some are more than others... stats would help see that. A quite obvious way to go would be: Defense stats + Attacking stats / 2 = roundedness... hardly rocket science.

I remember you going on an on about Matic missing that open goal chance in the counter HE PULLED!

Am I the crazy one who wants the guy who had 6 MotM in the PL last season!!! back?

2015/2016

Chelsea

EPL

19(4)

1653

1

-

4

1

1.2

88.7

1.3

-

6.96

2014/2015

Chelsea

EPL

35(1)

3124

1

3

10

1

0.8

86.4

2.1

6

7.50

2013/2014

Chelsea

EPL

15(2)

1364

-

4

3

-

0.8

84.8

2.8

1

7.63

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/38128/History/Nemanja-Matic

BTW, Matic's worse form at Chelsea gets him a rounded 7 this season. That's the equivalent of Mikel's best PL in 10 years... hint: it's not this one.

We just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine.

 

[Blue Armour 4,164]

Started poorly in the first 30 mins, but grew into the game afterwards to create more chances. 

Mikel and Matic in the starting lineup was not needed for this game. Should be used only against teams that are really dominant with possession. 

[Henrique 9,133]

20 hours ago, Robguima said:

I disagree with (almost) every point you made in this post.  We'd need take it to another thread not to derail this one. BTW, Mata and Ramires are still looking for their position. 

Also, when you wrote Matic is not dynamic, who are you disagreeing with here? I for one did not say he was. However, a wide gulf separates "Not Dynamic" from "incredibly slow." I'd call Mikel incredibly slow, as Alexis would attest. Matic is slow just like Yaya is. They are both pretty tall and heavy.

It's all really relative. DMs in general are more one dimensional players - it's a called a defensive specialist for a reason. Some are more than others... stats would help see that. A quite obvious way to go would be: Defense stats + Attacking stats / 2 = roundedness... hardly rocket science.

I remember you going on an on about Matic missing that open goal chance in the counter HE PULLED!

Am I the crazy one who wants the guy who had 6 MotM in the PL last season!!! back?

2015/2016

Chelsea

EPL

19(4)

1653

1

-

4

1

1.2

88.7

1.3

-

6.96

2014/2015

Chelsea

EPL

35(1)

3124

1

3

10

1

0.8

86.4

2.1

6

7.50

2013/2014

Chelsea

EPL

15(2)

1364

-

4

3

-

0.8

84.8

2.8

1

7.63

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/38128/History/Nemanja-Matic

BTW, Matic's worse form at Chelsea gets him a rounded 7 this season. That's the equivalent of Mikel's best PL in 10 years... hint: it's not this one.

We just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine.

 

I never care about those ratings and stats, and I don't care about the MotM thing. I remember 2012 FA Cup final when Mata barely touched the ball, but somehow he ended as MotM.

[chelseafan26 293]

WOW. Talk about over-reacting and exaggerating.

I know matic has been well below his standards but that makes him an average player? I guess, then hazard is another "average" player too because he has been horrendous.

Matic is without a doubt one of the best DMs in the world. One average season will not change that specially when the whole team has been so poor. He was "the" reason for us to be so ruthless last season. Anyone discounting these facts needs a reality check

[OhForAGreavsie 5,775]

28 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

Matic is without a doubt one of the best DMs in the world.

I'm afraid there is plenty of doubt about it. Never mind in the outside world, just check the number of TC members who clearly doubt it.

28 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

One average season will not change that

Matic has had one good season at Chelsea. (Actually two half seasons.)  Since Christmas 2014 his form has been below Premier League standard and way, way below world class.

28 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

He was "the" reason for us to be so ruthless last season.

We were not ruthless last season. We had an inspired start followed by a general drop of form most of the way towards our current standards. The odd good performance in the second half of the season does not disguise  that our players needed to be dragged over the finish line by a genius of a manager.

28 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

Anyone discounting these facts needs a reality check

I'm happy to accept that it must not be true but, anyone reading the post to which I'm replying could be forgiven for thinking that you can't tell the difference between what is a fact, and what is your own opinion.

[chelseafan26 293]

11 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I'm afraid there is plenty of doubt about it. Never mind in the outside world, just check the number of TC members who clearly doubt it.

Matic has had one good season at Chelsea. (Actually two half seasons.)  Since Christmas 2014 his form has been below Premier League standard and way, way below world class.

We were not ruthless last season. We had an inspired start followed by a general drop of form most of the way towards our current standards. The odd good performance in the second half of the season does not disguise   that our players needed to be dragged over the finish line by a genius of a manager.

I'm happy to accept that it must not be true but, anyone reading the post to which I'm replying could be forgiven for thinking that you can't tell the difference between what is a fact and what is your opinion.

So except for busquets who is better than matic? Just 6/7 months ago he was tipped to be the best DM in the world.

Matic has had 1 and a half good seasons at chelsea. He was the reason why we could keep winning 1-0s. Which brings me to the point of being "ruthless". Yes, we had a brilliant start followed by cesc and costa going off the boil, oscar being average in the 2nd half of the season and over-reliance on hazard in attack. Matic on the other hand, still put in world class performances match after match.

Well, reading your opinion, I can think of only one thing. In today's world, you are only as good as your last match. In the outside world, matic is still tipped to be one of the best DMs in the world. He would walk into any team in the world except for Barca.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Matic was average after Luiz left. He had the odd WC performance but he was extremely inconsistent and especially horrendous in the big games. Let's not forget what a ten man PSG did to him.

People scapegoated Cesc for his incompetence but nothing's changed even with Mikel beside him.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,775]

24 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

So except for busquets who is better than matic?

Can't really help you with a complete list but look up the starting XIs in last weekend's Premier League games and you'll find at least a dozen. Extend your search beyond the Premier League and you'll only stop finding additional alternatives when you get bored of the exercise.

 

24 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

Just 6/7 months ago he was tipped to be the best DM in the world.

Not by me, or by anyone whose opinion I respect on this subject. I will grant you that six months before that many would have bought into the claim.

24 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

Matic has had 1 and a half good seasons at chelsea. He was the reason why we could keep winning 1-0s. Which brings me to the point of being "ruthless". Yes, we had a brilliant start followed by cesc and costa going off the boil, oscar being average in the 2nd half of the season and over-reliance on hazard in attack. Matic on the other hand, still put in world class performances match after match.

I can accept all of this as your opinion. Just don't try to present it as fact.

24 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

In today's world, you are only as good as your last match.

Well that's a little disrespectful but I'll have to live with it. I happen to think that my opinions are considered, balanced and well judged. I suppose I would though wouldn't I.

24 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

In the outside world, matic is still tipped to be one of the best DMs in the world

Who do you mean? Fans who don't watch Chelsea or pundits who make their living repeating clichés and passing comment on games they haven't seen? In fairness I accept that there are probably some people who think Matic is among the best. I'm not one of them however.

[chelseafan26 293]

13 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Can't really help you with a complete list but look up the starting XIs in last weekend's Premier League games and you'll find at least a dozen. Extend your search beyond the Premier League and you'll stop finding additional alternative when you get bored of the exercise.

 

Not by me, or by anyone whose opinion I respect on this subject. I will grant you that six months before that many would have bought into the claim.

I can accept all of this as your opinion. Just don't try to present it as fact.

Well that's a little disrespectful but I'll have to live with it. I happen to think that my opinions are considered, balanced and well judged. I suppose I would though wouldn't I.

Who do you mean? Fans who don't watch Chelsea or pundits who make their living repeating clichés and passing comment on games they haven't seen? In fairness I accept that there are probably some people who think Matic is among the nest. I'm not one of them however.

You will find a dozen DMs better than matic in PL? There is a difference in having opinions and delusions.

So you dont respect Jose's opinion, or neville, or carragher or henry or basically every pundit even remotely linked to PL?

Is not that what you are doing?

Your opinion that there are a dozen Dms better than matic is well balances and well judged? I find that hard to believe.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,775]

1 minute ago, chelseafan26 said:

s not that what you are doing?

No.

[ulvhedin 473]

On 7.02.2016 at 11:23 AM, Gilvorak said:

You don't even need pace to be a great DM if your positional sense is great. Look at Alonso, Kroos, Busquets, Motta etc

Kroos a great DM???