Closed Spurs 1-1 Chelsea

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

Happy that you agree with me. Keep on trucking.

Mata wasn't in game shape, he looked slow and out of rhythm until last week. Now he has his, so I want him to start, but previously I think José was right. Keep hating, lol.

[bushman 2,043]

Well, I wasn't talking about you (or to you), I answered straight to bush twice, so let's leave it to that?

You're entitled to think whatever you want about the Mata-Mourinho situation. We've seen people around here being about individuals, players more than they are about Chelsea and it feds us up. So I guess everyone will have a reason to be fed up, others will bitch about it, others won't, so let's move on. The guy I had the convo with didn't seem as half bothered as you are, unless you think it fits you...

Nobody is for individual players, at least I am not.

But if someone like you keep posting here, Mata needs to defend better & he should be sold if he does not adapt to Jose´s clueless decision, then some of us object to it. That´s all.

[Stingray 9,441]

Well, I wasn't talking about you (or to you), I answered straight to bush twice, so let's leave it to that?

You're entitled to think whatever you want about the Mata-Mourinho situation. We've seen people around here being about individuals, players more than they are about Chelsea and it feds us up. So I guess everyone will have a reason to be fed up, others will bitch about it, others won't, so let's move on. The guy I had the convo with didn't seem as half bothered as you are, unless you think it fits you...

I don't think it fits me at all really. Thats why I said I didn't even have Mata as my favorite. I just keep noticing you like to flame the discussion, talk about 'them' in general terms so everyone and none should feel addressed. You go all hyperbole when the argument crosses your apparent agenda. Yes, that bugs me a bit, because you say you hate moaning, but really ... it is all you do about Mata, about Hazard, about people that see their worth, about people that have a point on Mou, ... You even came to the pub complaining that you would probably be coming to the forum drunk - it would make it more bearable or what?

So please, stop the marterhood - I think you are a barraqueira. Period. Now you can go right back to blocking me and reporting this post.

[bluesman2610 1,417]

I know everyone gets heated on the Mourinho vs. Mata debate but all those who can't see that Mata is now adding defense to his abilities as well as still producing the goods offensively are completely blind to that aspect of player development.. I have yet to see anyone state Mata attacking wise is not one of most dangerous players in the PL but what he lacked was that defensive spark that could jump start a team.. As a defender it is great to see your attacking players get stuck in it means they are all in for the cause and not passing the buck when it comes to that side of the game..

I don't understand if Juan himself buys into it and is doing the work and Jose rewards him by playing him why must we have the same argument over and over again..

Jose wants the TRIO together he said so himself, with Juan showing he is willing to tackle and intercept and harass the opposition we will see the best Juan yet..

[bushman 2,043]

Mata wasn't in game shape, he looked slow and out of rhythm until last week. Now he has his, so I want him to start, but previously I think José was right. Keep hating, lol.

Mata might have been a bit rusty, but that´s not the reason to bench him for too long. Jose was clueless & Mata proved him wrong this week.

[nachikethas 1,154]

I missed the 2nd half!! :banghead: :banghead:

yes!!! i missed the whole match

[bushman 2,043]

I know everyone gets heated on the Mourinho vs. Mata debate but all those who can't see that Mata is now adding defense to his abilities as well as still producing the goods offensively are completely blind to that aspect of player development.. I have yet to see anyone state Mata attacking wise is not one of most dangerous players in the PL but what he lacked was that defensive spark that could jump start a team.. As a defender it is great to see your attacking players get stuck in it means they are all in for the cause and not passing the buck when it comes to that side of the game..

I don't understand if Juan himself buys into it and is doing the work and Jose rewards him by playing him why must we have the same argument over and over again..

Jose wants the TRIO together he said so himself, with Juan showing he is willing to tackle and intercept and harass the opposition we will see the best Juan yet..

Speaking about blindness. When did you notice Mata got better in his defensive ability ?

[yuvala 2,167]

My take from today:

- we're starting to click

- Torres is our main striker (give Eto'o some more playing time though)

- Mata should start

- Although we already know it, Ramires is amazing as a CM not a winger !!

[Tomo 21,751]

On his interview with BBC, Jose said he was about to bring off Oscar for Eto'o before Torres got sent off.

[bluesman2610 1,417]

Speaking about blindness. When did you notice Mata got better in his defensive ability ?

I recognized 3 interceptions harassing opposition players into positions where we could win the ball back and also an excellent 1v1 tackle that stopped a flying spurs counter as well as he did some dirty work in the swindon match as well if that answers your question

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

Mata might have been a bit rusty, but that´s not the reason to bench him for too long. Jose was clueless & Mata proved him wrong this week.

I don't expect to convince a hater tthat he's wrong so keep doing your thing

[Milan 17,957]

Now I'm more upset that we didn't capitalize and win

Maybe this game was exactly what we needed. I mean, Mourinho sent a team to the pitch (a team we didn't really agree with) and that team failed to perform. After the HT everything changed with Mata on the pitch and Mourinho surely felt the difference. So if he realizes this and starts using him among other things, we will surely improve. A point from the White Hart Lane, while both Manchester clubs lost, is decent.

[Barbara 15,149]

Nobody is for individual players, at least I am not.

But if someone like you keep posting here, Mata needs to defend better & he should be sold if he does not adapt to Jose´s clueless decision, then some of us object to it. That´s all.

and that's fair. We disagree about it. I think if Mata doesn't take responsibility in the work rate we expose our already weak pivot... you may disagree. Mourinho acted on what he believed was better for the team and seeing as how the teams in Manchester are struggling, I think our adaptation isn't even affecting our run for the title that much.

As for the individual players, it happens, bush, let's not deny it happens because it does. Mata isn't the only one, Hazard, Torres, Mikel among others have had situations that it seemed like people were putting them above the club's interests and the manager's objectives (whether because they're supposedly too good or too bad). It happens and for some people it's normal, for others it's annoying...

Also I never told Mata should be sold, I didn't take part in the comments suggesting he should. I did say months ago that if he was benched too much he would leave the club - but it doesn't need to be an Einstein to come to that conclusion. He's a top player, if he doesn't fit for whatever reason, after one season he will probably want to leave. But I'm against him leaving and I've said in the so nice thread about who should be our #10 that we desperately need him to perform in high level because Oscar on his best day isn't nearly creative as he is. But we also need him to take defensive responsibilities imo.

So how about both of us be happy as Mata is playing better, showed incredible attitude to press and tackle today and still could be consistent in the attack? Also both Mans lost, so it only ices the cake

I don't think it fits me at all really. Thats why I said I didn't even have Mata as my favorite. I just keep noticing you like to flame the discussion, talk about 'them' in general terms so everyone and none should feel addressed. You go all hyperbole when the argument crosses your apparent agenda. Yes, that bugs me a bit, because you say you hate moaning, but really ... it is all you do about Mata, about Hazard, about people that see their worth, about people that have a point on Mou, ... You even came to the pub complaining that you would probably be coming to the forum drunk - it would make it more bearable or what?

So please, stop the marterhood - I think you are a barraqueira. Period. Now you can go right back to blocking me and reporting this post.

I don't know why you say I keep flaming discussions if you're the only one that reacts, lol I discuss with other people here all the time and I don't feel disrespected by them and they never told me they felt disrespected by me. Once again I think my comments must hit close to home to you.

Also if you can't distinguish what's moan about the team, the club, the board, the manager and assessing individual performances on matches I can't do anything. The only player I have been complaining about is Hazard. I don't expect you to agree on that. But I'm not the only one, so yeah, I guess other people also think he's been one of our worse players this season... About Mata, I post an worshiping post about him 30 minutes ago.

Really, go read other threads and see if people are reacting to me the way you think they are. They aren't.

My post on the pub was because I don't get why people moan so much in between the matches about everything related to the club, but I even asked Raphael if he feels that's a cultural thing as in Brazil we are much more carefree about our clubs and only react during matches.

I think you should learn better what barraqueira is, as after all the word in portuguese describes your post much better than describes any of mine.

[Term-X 7,891]

I don't expect to convince a hater retard that he's wrong so keep doing your thing

Fixed it for you.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

Fixed it for you.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

ref fucked the game we coulda probably snatched this. great game though and positive outlook for the future

[zolayes 14,489]

commentary on BT was about the most biased ive heard and that includes andy fucking gray and tony tosspot gale ...

[bushman 2,043]

I recognized 3 interceptions harassing opposition players into positions where we could win the ball back and also an excellent 1v1 tackle that stopped a flying spurs counter as well as he did some dirty work in the swindon match as well if that answers your question

He has done similar tackles before, nothing new there.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Mourinho made a mistake today by not subbing off Torres. Yes Torres was MotM for me too, but I could see he was going to pick the second yellow any time and I recjon our coaches should've seen it too. I know it's tough to sub the best player on the pitch, but you do what's best for the team.

As usual I'm unhappy with Mikel's performance, yes his passing was mostly good but his defensive work not so much. I don't understand, for example, why he always jogs back when he's behind the line of play; he should've been sprinting to get back and try to help as soon as possible. An additional man in the box could've prevented the passing and Spurs goal.

Oscar crosses were bad because they were all low. He should've lifted the ball in most of them. Hazard had a very good first half in my view. Like the way he moved and his aggression. JT and Luiz were great.

BTW, I voted Torres for MotM, but Ramires was a monster in the middle; his defensive work, movement and speed were just too good for Spurs. Mata had a great second half too, as expected.

BTW2, I still wanted to have gotten Debele - great pivot player.

Flashes of greatness in the second half... hopefully we can build on that.

[bushman 2,043]

I don't expect to convince a hater tthat he's wrong so keep doing your thing

Not worth to reply.