Best Formation for current Chelsea Squad?

[Tomo 21,751]

I would be surprised if we end next season with the same formation that we start with.

Jose has a habit of changing formation's just before it's about to get found out. 05/06 teams were starting to suss out our wingplay, United made up 10 points on us and were 7 behind with us still to play, so Mou decided to scrap it and unleash Drogba and Crespo together, a move which caught the whole league with their pants down and we won the league.

Mourinho brought 4-3-3 to the English game in the first place, so don't be surprised if he finds a new formation from somewhere.

[Backstreet09 499]

I'd love to see a 352 or variant a la Juventus and Conte, but not many teams in modern European football play with two strikers; the setup a three man defence is set up to counter.

Against teams playing with one striker (most, as there is a droolfest with 4231 right now) there is a three on one difference at the back. Good for shutting out the striker, not good because it concedes an extra, unnecessary spare man, giving the opposition a spare man elsewhere. So right there it's a no for me, as very few teams play with two outright strikers.

Added to this, is that the width in a system with three defenders normally comes from one wide player on each side, which means they have to be capable defensively. Sure this allows us to play with 2 wingers, a CAM, and 2 strikers, but if you look at the players Juve play in wide spots (Lichsteiner/Asamoah/De Ceglie) then you see that Hazard can't really occupy one of those spots if the system is going to be effective.

A four man defence then, and if we have two strikers then realistically that leaves us with a 442 or a 442 diamond. A flat 442 is dead, and a diamond, while better, doesn't make the best use of our wingers, nor does it make sense to select a formation that restricts the number of players we can play in attacking midfield positions, given the talent we have there.

I think it's a straight fight between 433 and 4231. Mourinho at Inter persuaded Eto'o and Pandev to play deep and work hard defensively in their 4231/4213 variant, and I think he could ask the same of Mata and Hazard, so flexibility between the two seems likely. At Real, he used a 4231 normally, and a 433 in tougher games. Think of Mata as the Ozil, in the number 10 role in the 4231, and pushed wide in the 433.

Having Hulk and Hazard on the wings would totally shut the role of our fullbacks, so they could fucking staay in their line, providing cover for the midfield and well yuss idk, Mata could even play as a second striker to Cavani in the 4-4-2, they would help us fit De bruyne in their, but I don't know if he's anybetter than Mata in defensive area so yuss well, Even Chalaboah could play.

It merely depends on discipline, if our players are willing to play their role and not be badass to fuck with the other guy role.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I think 4-2-3-1 is our best formation, because Mata and Hazard work better with it.

Also, by the rumors, Jose is looking for a ST, RW, DM and CB. Which fits the bill for a 4-2-3-1 formation plan...

[Backstreet09 499]

I think 4-2-3-1 is our best formation, because Mata and Hazard work better with it.

Also, by the rumors, Jose is looking for a ST, RW, DM and CB. Which fits the bill for a 4-2-3-1 formation plan...

Out of seven or I don't know how many trophies, we managed to win fucking ONE with that formation. How could you be so sure that they wouldn't play the same way in 4-3-3 or in 4-4-2 or even in 3-5-2 ? We haven't tried them yet.

#Rafayelpls

[Rmpr 8,977]

Out of seven or I don't know how many trophies, we managed to win fucking ONE with that formation. How could you be so sure that they wouldn't play the same way in 4-3-3 or in 4-4-2 or even in 3-5-2 ? We haven't tried them yet.

#Rafayelpls

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

4-4-2: We struggled to get one good striker last season, how exactly do you plan on playing with 2?

3-5-2: Same problem with the 2 strikers. Plus, 3 on the back, really?

[Backstreet09 499]

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

4-4-2: We struggled to get one good striker last season, how exactly do you plan on playing with 2?

3-5-2: Same problem with the 2 strikers. Plus, 3 on the back, really?

1) He would be our third striker but in the middle, so he could even fall back.

2) We were far better when we played both Ba and Torres together.

3) Mikel doesn't do anything, Lamps doesn't help in defending so yesh its the same thing

Plus with Hulk and Hazard wide, we could totally shut our fullbacks from going forward, they would be a good cover

I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

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Edited June 9, 2013 by Backstreet09

[Rmpr 8,977]

He would be our third striker but in the middle, so he could even fall back.

We were far better when we played both Ba and Torres together.

Mikel doesn't do anything, Lamps doesn't help in defending so yesh its the same thing

Plus with Hulk and Hazard wide, we could totally shut our fullbacks from going forward, they would be a good cover

I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

[Backstreet09 499]

Lol I kinda messed up my last post, but I feel you got my point

[Rmpr 8,977]

Lol I kinda messed up my last post, but I feel you got my point

I swear I didnt understand one single thing of what you tried to say mate!

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

Kinda obvious where... RW ofcourse.

[Backstreet09 499]

I swear I didnt understand one single thing of what you tried to say mate!

That's the most insulting thing I've ever heard, do you even know how many brain cells I fucked up there lol.

Well Corrected it, so read it again not for me, for mila kunis lol.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Kinda obvious where... RW ofcourse.

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

[Backstreet09 499]

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

AS ONE OF THE THREE STRIKERS BUT IN THE MIDDLE

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

[Backstreet09 499]

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

YUSSSSS, I don't think if we would change our gameplay(that totally revolve around Mata and where we don't even have a fucking plan B )to something else (that would revolve around our whole team) would damage us, We would only get better.

People need to understand that Mata is not Messi or Ronaldo, he very well be Worldclass but you can't have your whole gameplay depending on one single player. How many times we got fucked when mata was not playing? Everysingle time. How many times we got fucked when mata was isolated, everysingle time.

We can't win trophies like that none can.