Are we going to finish in the top 4? - Achieved!

[bushman 2,043]

In today´s news:

One senior player suggested Rafa might be at fault for current affairs.

If there is a discord or revolt at the club, the team won´t finish in top four.

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The next 3-4 games will be crucial for our aspirations to finish top4.

It is the most important thing for us right now, people who say we need to be left out of UCL so we can reflect on our errors are totally clueless. They will be the first ones to moan about the consequences in the summer!

WE. MIUST. FINISH. TOP. 4!

So I'm totally clueless because I suggested to you in another thread that maybe missing out on the CL might not be the worst thing in the world? At least have the bottle to say what you mean.

[bushman 2,043]

If Chelsea are not to finish in top four, players who are willing to sign for the club may change their mind.

Anyone should be able to see the consequence of such a disaster or perhaps some do not see it ?

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If Chelsea are not to finish in top four, players who are willing to sign for the club may change their mind.

Anyone should be able to see the consequence of such a disaster or perhaps some do not see it ?

I understand perfectly, and that might force us to use the likes of Lukaku and De Bruyne and even Chalobah. Bayern went through this in 2007 and they've come out of it pretty well haven't they?

It might give us the chance to build properly, rather than trying to repair a ship built in 2005. As I've sad elsewhere, it might give us a chance to lose some of the deadwood in both the club and the support.

[bushman 2,043]

I understand perfectly, and that might force us to use the likes of Lukaku and De Bruyne and even Chalobah. Bayern went through this in 2007 and they've come out of it pretty well haven't they?

It might give us the chance to build properly, rather than trying to repair a ship built in 2005. As I've sad elsewhere, it might give us a chance to lose some of the deadwood in both the club and the support.

I agree with your assumption but...who is going to do all that ?

As you know, I was & still am against some of those player loans.

I am afraid, there is no one at Chelsea who could help to rebuild the club. Will Roman fire some of those responsible for the current affairs ? That´s is the most important matter at the club, I feel.

We both know, money is no object, but proper management is.

[Santiago. 1,500]

That's something I don't understand as well, it isn't the end of the world if we manage outside the top 4, rather a step forward in transition, (given the right management that is,) to focus on the new spine and generation that is currently being developed.

Liverpool failed to do so due to failing to replace class players at the time. Torres (LAWL) for Carroll (Double Lawl), Alonso and Macherano for Henderson and John Joe Shevely, Aurelio for Enrique, Hypia for Skrtel, etc.

We have a bright generation of players with us as well as promising prospects in the academy, something Liverpool didn't have. As only place to be stated, Bayern were in a similar situation and produced top talents because of it.

Our board has successfully managed to focus on this aspect but has completely abandoned our current situation which has led us to this decline, stability+attacking Depth+Quality Central Midfielder

The Vast Possibilities of our Great Future Will Become Realities only if We make Ourselves responsible for that future.

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I agree with your assumption but...who is going to do all that ?

As you know, I was & still am against some of those player loans.

I am afraid, there is no one at Chelsea who could help to rebuild the club. Will Roman fire some of those responsible for the current affairs ? That´s is the most important matter at the club, I feel.

We both know, money is no object, but proper management is.

I wouldn't be against him firing Buck. I've long said it would be brilliant if we could attract someone like Lord Coe to be chairman but a lot of what is wrong at this club was started with different people in charge. Hiring Kenyon again just to fire him wouldn't be worth it.

Management is the key area and if we don't have the pressures of CL football or the 'dressing room influence' of certain players then we could try a younger manager again, like Martinez or Laudrup.

That's something I don't understand as well, it isn't the end of the world if we manage outside the top 4, rather a step forward in transition, (given the right management that is,) to focus on the new spine and generation that is currently being developed.

Liverpool failed to do so due to failing to replace class players at the time. Torres (LAWL) for Carroll (Double Lawl), Alonso and Macherano for Henderson and John Joe Shevely, Aurelio for Enrique, Hypia for Skrtel, etc.

We have a bright generation of players with us as well as promising prospects in the academy, something Liverpool didn't have. As only place to be stated, Bayern were in a similar situation and produced top talents because of it.

Our board has successfully managed to focus on this aspect but has completely abandoned our current situation which has led us to this decline, stability+attacking Depth+Quality Central Midfielder

The Vast Possibilities of our Great Future Will Become Realities only if We make Ourselves responsible for that future.

This is kinda what I see. We're split between two different roads forward - the safe one where just qualifying for the CL is enough so you stick with older players in familiar roles, and the riskier one where you give untested youths (or even tested ones) a chance and try new things.

The reality is that the former isn't working too well right now.

In the summer, we all pretty much agree we need a new striker and midfielders. Now imagine if we don't get into the CL and people like Falcao or even Modric (outside bet I know) turn us down. What do we do? Maybe we look at less glamourous signings like Benat or Isco, or maybe we just look at what we already have and go forward with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Chalobah.

Rather than signing 27 year olds to gaffa tape a system together that doesn't work, we look to 20 year olds to build something new and sustainable? Then there's also precedent set for when Feruz and Boga start to come through the academy.

Yes we'd miss out on the money but the increase in PL tv revenue will cover part of that so maybe there isn't a better time to start the process.

[bushman 2,043]

I wouldn't be against him firing Buck. I've long said it would be brilliant if we could attract someone like Lord Coe to be chairman but a lot of what is wrong at this club was started with different people in charge. Hiring Kenyon again just to fire him wouldn't be worth it.

Management is the key area and if we don't have the pressures of CL football or the 'dressing room influence' of certain players then we could try a younger manager again, like Martinez or Laudrup.

This is kinda what I see. We're split between two different roads forward - the safe one where just qualifying for the CL is enough so you stick with older players in familiar roles, and the riskier one where you give untested youths (or even tested ones) a chance and try new things.

The reality is that the former isn't working too well right now.

In the summer, we all pretty much agree we need a new striker and midfielders. Now imagine if we don't get into the CL and people like Falcao or even Modric (outside bet I know) turn us down. What do we do? Maybe we look at less glamourous signings like Benat or Isco, or maybe we just look at what we already have and go forward with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Chalobah.

Rather than signing 27 year olds to gaffa tape a system together that doesn't work, we look to 20 year olds to build something new and sustainable? Then there's also precedent set for when Feruz and Boga start to come through the academy.

Yes we'd miss out on the money but the increase in PL tv revenue will cover part of that so maybe there isn't a better time to start the process.

I wholeheartedly agree with your choice of Martinez or Laudrup.

The club needs new & younger minds. Football became the world wide phenomena & new ideas are needed.

Roman´s money, new kids at the club is the only way to go, I feel.

[Wfisheruk 23]

At this rate if we don't make the top 4 Martinez or moyes will be the kind of managers who will want to come I cant see a manager with champions league football coming here so it's important for our summer transfers and to get a top manager next season so 3rd or 4th is a massive must!!

[Hutcho 8,443]

I can't see Jose coming here to play in the Europa so we really need it. I still think we will. But it's far too close for comfort.

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At this rate if we don't make the top 4 Martinez or moyes will be the kind of managers who will want to come I cant see a manager with champions league football coming here so it's important for our summer transfers and to get a top manager next season so 3rd or 4th is a massive must!!

But Champions League football hasn't done much to improve our managerial hirings in the past has it? The expectations are too high.

I believe that if we miss out in the CL we can still win the league next year. I think it gives us a clean break to reassess what we're doing and try and build a club properly.

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I can't see Jose coming here to play in the Europa so we really need it. I still think we will. But it's far too close for comfort.

So we don't get Jose. So fucking what? If he loves the club then he comes back, if he doesn't then we move on.

This CL or nothing mentality is fucking us up as a club. It's been the reason for us to patch up this sinking ship rather than build something better for years.

Yes we won the Champions League last year, but we finished 6th in the league. There were at least 5 teams better than us in the league last year. There were 5 teams in England better at building a football club than us. We won a cup competition but lost a league by 25 POINTS.

25 POINTS.

TWENTY

FIVE

POINTS.

[nachikethas 1,154]

hmm maybe

[bushman 2,043]

Who in his right mind would want to come to a club out of CL competition ?

Jose to Chelsea ? Come on boys, wake up.

[edetarod 2,155]

But Champions League football hasn't done much to improve our managerial hirings in the past has it? The expectations are too high.

I believe that if we miss out in the CL we can still win the league next year. I think it gives us a clean break to reassess what we're doing and try and build a club properly.

oh dear...this is the exact kind of stuff you would read on a Liverpool forum

delusional, naive