Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 i think there is a very simple answer to it all - NO ONE WANTS HIM!!! ever think of that? would you want to buy a 29/30 year old hugely OVER-RATED striker who would cost about 10-15 mil (on the lower side) plus has the wages of 200k/week. also jose's stance on torres will be very aparent in a few weeks when torres wont find a place on even on the bench (of course he ll start those carling cup matches though). the middle ground was lost last season when torres gave up absolutely and completely at the half way point of the season. Here's a 4 month old article where Atletico Mdrid's boss wants him. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/386551/Diego-Simeone-wants-Fernando-Torres-back-at-Atletico-MadridValencia are reportedly interested in him : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381357/Fernando-Torres-wanted-Valencia-replace-Roberto-Soldado.htmlHere's Jose saying he is happy with him : http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/330223/Banish-those-blues-Jose-Mourinho-urges-Fernando-Torres-to-stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I trust Mourinho's capacities to fix our Chelsea, but Torres and BA are not good enough, José knows how to manage talent but these two does not reach the level of talent to bring titles.I dont think he will make Torres score 33 goals per season like he did with Drogba for an example and same goes for BA.What he can do is to play one of them in a match where they can make the difference but dont exepct them to flourish, they wont be different kind of players because they are too old for that.I hope he'll use them to get the maximum of their talent but dont be surprised if Mourinho fails.Well, it took him 2 season to make Drogba hit 33 in a single season. Although, you are right, none of our current strikeforce can score that many goals but then again what we lack in our strikers, we make up for it in our attacking midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Ok, considering RVP won Utd the trophy, that is the flavor of the season but elementary rule? Not really, why i say that is because during Jose's first season in charge here, that wasn't the case but we still won it by a record margin. Now i agree that times have changed, may be but i still think our strike force right now is capable enough to challenge for the title! Jose's first two season's were the exception and the reason we got away with it is because Drogba and Eidur made up for lack of goal's in other ways, Torres doesn't.Since Jose left there has only been one season we have had a forward consistently banging in goals during the course of the season and that's the only season since we have won the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Jose's first two season's were the exception and the reason we got away with it is because Drogba and Eidur made up for lack of goal's in other ways, Torres doesn't.Since Jose left there has only been one season we have had a forward consistently banging in goals during the course of the season and that's the only season since we have won the league.Yes, i agree! We will just have to see how we go forward this season, though! We were the 2nd highest goal scoring team last season with 75 goals, with Nando and BA. Lukaku should definitely improve that! A striker is more than welcome(etoo or Rooney) but i won't lose my sleep over it! Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg 1,824 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Well, it took him 2 season to make Drogba hit 33 in a single season. Although, you are right, none of our current strikeforce can score that many goals but then again what we lack in our strikers, we make up for it in our attacking midfielders. Attacking midfielders main role is to feed the striker, not to work with him to create opportunities for themselves, last season many times Rafa said we were working to make Torres in best condition, not our attacking midfielders.Strikers score goals and attacking midfielders create ones, this is how it works.At the end of the season your best scorer must be your main striker, if its not there is a problem. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Attacking midfielders main role is to feed the striker, not to work with him to create opportunities for themselves, last season many times Rafa said we were working to make Torres in best condition, not our attacking midfielders.Strikers score goals and attacking midfielders create ones, this is how it works.At the end of the season your best scorer must be your main striker, if its not there is a problem.I should clarify that by attacking midfielders, i meant wingers as well(Hazard, Schurrle, Moses) and not just Mata, Oscar and KDB! What you say about them is right but it's pretty textbook stuff! It's not necessary that that is what will happen in the game as well! Now a days, CFs are used to create spaces for the AMFs to run in on goal, CFs are used to knock the ball down for the AMFs to get to them and score! Football has evolved a lot(thanks to Barcelona lately) when it comes to attacking options! Gone are the days where teams would line a simple 4 4 2 formation and only CFs were supposed to score the goals. Hence as i said in my last comment, we were the 2nd highest goal scorers in the league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg 1,824 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I should clarify that by attacking midfielders, i meant wingers as well(Hazard, Schurrle, Moses) and not just Mata, Oscar and KDB! What you say about them is right but it's pretty textbook stuff! It's not necessary that that is what will happen in the game as well! Now a days, CFs are used to create spaces for the AMFs to run in on goal, CFs are used to knock the ball down for the AMFs to get to them and score! Football has evolved a lot(thanks to Barcelona lately) when it comes to attacking options! Gone are the days where teams would line a simple 4 4 2 formation and only CFs were supposed to score the goals. Hence as i said in my last comment, we were the 2nd highest goal scorers in the league! And the third best team in England.Barcelona have Messi, he create spaces for teammates but at the end of the day he is their top scorer.Suarez does the same, van Persie in a different role but still help a lot his team, Rooney back in the 2010 season, Henry at Arsenal...all are very good center-forwards but all are top scorers before anything else.Gone are the days where team would line a simple 442 ? 442 was never a simple formation, it was the most used one because if your players respond well to your ideas it works.Ferguson with his 442 or 4411 could only agree, use well your talents, not adapting them to your schema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Here's a 4 month old article where Atletico Mdrid's boss wants him. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/386551/Diego-Simeone-wants-Fernando-Torres-back-at-Atletico-MadridValencia are reportedly interested in him : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381357/Fernando-Torres-wanted-Valencia-replace-Roberto-Soldado.htmlHere's Jose saying he is happy with him : http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/330223/Banish-those-blues-Jose-Mourinho-urges-Fernando-Torres-to-stNo one wants Torres, if they did he would have been sold long time ago. He alone was the difference between us challenging for the title and scrapping for forth last season. A striker that scored 1 goal in 321 minutes on the field for us in the EPL last season and his goals are against some of the worst sides, with the only quality opposition he scored against were Everton and Arsenal virtually any other goal he scored was against Relegation threatened teams. In about 1/3 of the playing time Sturridge scored 11 goals in the EPL, managed to be MOTM against US and Manchester City and scored another goal against United. Lukaku managed a hat trick last season against United and scored a goal at a higher rate than RvP and Suarez in a lesser team. Meantime Torres struggles with virtually the two best chance creators in the Premier League - Mata and Hazard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 And the third best team in England.Barcelona have Messi, he create spaces for teammates but at the end of the day he is their top scorer.Suarez does the same, van Persie in a different role but still help a lot his team, Rooney back in the 2010 season, Henry at Arsenal...all are very good center-forwards but all are top scorers before anything else.Gone are the days where team would line a simple 442 ? 442 was never a simple formation, it was the most used one because if your players respond well to your ideas it works.Ferguson with his 442 or 4411 could only agree, use well your talents, not adapting them to your schema.4 4 2 is now not used by top teams that extensively now, most of them line up in a 4 3 3 or more so in a 4 2 3 1 formation. Now i am not saying that we don't need a prolific striker but our midfield(esp Lampard) has always scored lots of goals which most of the other teams don't have the luxury of! 2nd highest goals scorers but 3rd in the league, for me that shows that Attack shouldn't be our first priority, midfield and defense is and we already have a much better MF and Defense than last time around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Dunk 1,442 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 He alone was the difference between us challenging for the title and scrapping for forth last season.That's ridiculous. Losing at home to teams like QPR, and failing to hold onto an 1-0 or 2-0 advantage were more to blame than Torres. Barbara and Ankit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 No one wants Torres, if they did he would have been sold long time ago. He alone was the difference between us challenging for the title and scrapping for forth last season. A striker that scored 1 goal in 321 minutes on the field for us in the EPL last season and his goals are against some of the worst sides, with the only quality opposition he scored against were Everton and Arsenal virtually any other goal he scored was against Relegation threatened teams. In about 1/3 of the playing time Sturridge scored 11 goals in the EPL, managed to be MOTM against US and Manchester City and scored another goal against United. Lukaku managed a hat trick last season against United and scored a goal at a higher rate than RvP and Suarez in a lesser team. Meantime Torres struggles with virtually the two best chance creators in the Premier League - Mata and HazardI certainly believe that if Jose wanted to offload Torres, he would have been offloaded a long time ago as you said! Again, i have to say i am not a Torres fan boy or anything but he certainly wasn't the reason of us losing out on title! We had RDM(fairly inexperienced) and Fat Waiter at helm and we gave away too many leads to either draw or lose! Nothing Torres or any other striker would have done! Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 That's ridiculous. Losing at home to teams like QPR, and failing to hold onto an 1-0 or 2-0 advantage were more to blame than Torres.You can't say Torres has not cost us results last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Dunk 1,442 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 You can't say Torres has not cost us results last season?I didn't say that though, did I? I just said he wasn't the sole reason we ended up 3rd instead of 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 He certainly wasn't the only reason. If he had just had a handful more goals in the league we almost certainly would've finished above City. Only 8 league goals is an utterly embarrassing tally and it did obviously did cost us points. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 That's ridiculous. Losing at home to teams like QPR, and failing to hold onto an 1-0 or 2-0 advantage were more to blame than Torres.Yep and who exactly is scoring goals to beat those teams - right we are lacking a striker and playing with 10 men for the majority of the campaign. I certainly believe that if Jose wanted to offload Torres, he would have been offloaded a long time ago as you said! Again, i have to say i am not a Torres fan boy or anything but he certainly wasn't the reason of us losing out on title! We had RDM(fairly inexperienced) and Fat Waiter at helm and we gave away too many leads to either draw or lose! Nothing Torres or any other striker would have done! There is nothing Jose can do to offload Torres, otherwise he would have offloaded Kaka while at Real Madrid.If Torres had done his job - scoring goals, we would have been challenging for the title in the League. When your striker's major contribution is loosing the ball and playing for the opposition it's convenient to blame RdM(who wasn't the one that chose Torres) and it certainly isn't the Fat Spanish Waiter who was just an appointment by the board to give Torres one last chance to recapture some form. When you are an unemployed Fat Spanish Waiter and some guys offer you a part time job you take it for some money cause being Fat and Spanish is tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I didn't say that though, did I? I just said he wasn't the sole reason we ended up 3rd instead of 1st.It was the reason we were struggling for 4th, if we had a proper forward we would never be losing at home to QPR, ever!!! Zoro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoro 151 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Really wanted Torres to succeed at Chelsea but he has been given enough chances to prove he has some sort of quality left. 8 goals in the league last season is a complete joke. He needs to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg 1,824 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 4 4 2 is now not used by top teams that extensively now, most of them line up in a 4 3 3 or more so in a 4 2 3 1 formation. Now i am not saying that we don't need a prolific striker but our midfield(esp Lampard) has always scored lots of goals which most of the other teams don't have the luxury of! 2nd highest goals scorers but 3rd in the league, for me that shows that Attack shouldn't be our first priority, midfield and defense is and we already have a much better MF and Defense than last time around! The Lampard example isnt really an example, it is an exception.It is natural for him to score goals just like it should be for any top striker.Attack shouldnt be our first priority, because we are not playing to win the Champions League, you'll say different message if you think we have a chance.In the Premier League yes, we should fix our midfield problem, with van Ginkel it seems he has the balls to play for us and perform, I dont think Essien and Mikel can do their job properly to win us the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg 1,824 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 That's ridiculous. Losing at home to teams like QPR, and failing to hold onto an 1-0 or 2-0 advantage were more to blame than Torres.We lost to QPR because of Torres, who missed a big chance in that game if you remember, and we lost the CWC because of him too, we also lost the Champions League because he wasnt up to the challenge vs Juve, Shakhtar (both games) Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Dunk 1,442 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It's the strikers fault when the team concedes, or when the team fails to hold on to a 2-0 lead? Ok then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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