Jase 43,479 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 He's an attacking midfielder he should have better finishing than what he has displayed.So? Their main job is to assist and create chances. Scoring comes second and when you compare Mata with other CAMs around, we should already be thankful that he scores than most of the others already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What is it with technical players and Chelsea? The only times when I was sure we could string meaningful passes together and beat men in 1-1 situations were under Mourinho's first 2 years and the freak period under Carlo. Every other time our flair players seem to be completely different from what they were in their previous clubs or for their national teams. For example Oscar... when I watched him for Brazil I could count bad passes and turnovers on one hand, now even our most creative players are as productive (read: wasteful) as Ramires. Kalou came with high hopes, but he completely stagnated. Sheva, Torres, Kezman flopped - all rather technical pacey players.Maybe strong bulldozers like Drogba, Essien and Ballack are simply our thing? It's too early to say though, but at the moment everything we do offensively is chaotic. For fuck's sake we got our asses handed to us by Swansea, WBA, Fulham and fucking Wet Spam. This is worryingly close to what Liverpool is doing and now we have their ex gaffer and blonde fuck spearheading our club.I think some critics need to be directed towards our coaching team. We have been struggling under the same problems for years yet there is little to no progress to be seen. I don't think it's enough to simply change managers, something needs to be changed on a wider scale. Are our coaches good enough?You have a good point. Some of our players if they were at Man Utd would have not lost all their pace like it seems to happen in Chelsea. I really think our physical preparation is not good, when November come the last years, we are doing bad results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You have a good point. Some of our players if they were at Man Utd would have not lost all their pace like it seems to happen in Chelsea. I really think our physical preparation is not good, when November come the last years, we are doing bad results.Hence why Rafa stated the players aren't fit enough...For a Manager to say that - it must be pretty fucking bad.If so our coaching team needs an overhaul... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Hence why Rafa stated the players aren't fit enough...For a Manager to say that - it must be pretty fucking bad.If so our coaching team needs an overhaul...More like our board if anything. Who on earth in their right mind will allow the team go into the season with just 2 strikers and then letting go 2 CMs on the last day of transfer window without bringing out any replacements and expect the manager to work wonders with a squad that lacks depth and is unbalanced?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VYc0RPclrs&feature=plcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I think the players have been taking the famous 'carefree' chant a little too literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 We were only good in the first half because West Ham played like cowards and had their best player sitting on the bench. They actually tried to play in the second half and we lost the half 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskoviolente 425 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Forget Benitez, forget Roman for a second.For me it is down to the players attitudes. No disrespect to Petr Cech, but I think we need a mentaly strong outfield player being our skipper to give the team a kick up the backside. As much as I find JTs behaviour problematic to say the least, he needs to be fit and do it one more time until the young guns are settled in. I can also see Mata be a vocal skipper to step up. Of course the manager needs to build a team up in a shituation, but everyone knows that it´s not gonna be Rafa. The team have to carry themselves - again. People may never ask again why there is so much player power in Chelsea. It is really incredible to see the sort of accuracy whith which the board shot the club in the foot. This time there is no coach stepping up behind Rafa, DiMatteo gone, Steve Clarke gone a long time, same as Wilkins, no Hiddink in sight and this talking after just 1/3 of the season over. I don´t see Rafa stay much longer. It is gonna be even more painful. I think we haven´t seen the worst yet. It just makes me laugh. I am not even mad anymore, it is just the pure agony. Even when we were shit I looked forward to the games, this time it is different. It just feels like chaos with a clueless manager, a disillusioned team, a board packed with mentalists, the most ruthless playtoyowner since my childhood. Why would he rip off the head of his favourite doll ?Please, I need football counseling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 No. RDM left us on the brink of CL exit, not him.So, RDM, and not the players?Because the same players that let Robbie down are performing even worse under Hunbelieffable Benitez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So, RDM, and not the players?Because the same players that let Robbie down are performing even worse under Hunbelieffable Benitez.Yes RDM. We needed just draws against Shakhtar and Juve away and got totally outplayed in both, the former was during a period where we actually were playing really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So, RDM, and not the players?Because the same players that let Robbie down are performing even worse under Hunbelieffable Benitez.Defintly a bit of both..RDM mainly for the choices and delayed subs and then the players who played like utter shite and seemed to act like we'd already won the whole thing.Wouldnt think possible to perform worse..surprise!We need more of the first half performance!We werent doing bad then and the disallowed goal should've been a warning sign..except complete opposite effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Were fucked. really. we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 He's an attacking midfielder he should have better finishing than what he has displayed.So? Their main job is to assist and create chances. Scoring comes second and when you compare Mata with other CAMs around, we should already be thankful that he scores than most of the others already.Sorry, I have to agree with BluesMaster. Mata's stats for the year and a half he's been here stands at 20 goals and 33 assists, which is absolutely phenomenal. He probably should've scored, yes, but we should be thankful we have such a quality player who gets into such positions in the first place.Also, with yesterdays goal, he has now surpassed Torres in goals for Chelsea. So forgive me if I'm not the first one to bash Mata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VYc0RPclrs&feature=plcpDid Moses say it was a good ball from Meireles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 How does Cahill keep getting away with below par defensive performances? If Luiz or even Terry for that matter performed like that yesterday they would be getting it from all angles.When he performs crap it get covered up (often the blame shifted elsewhere) and when he performs well he is the second coming of christ. He is a good squad player but that's about his ceiling.Azpi is turning into the new Bale, what does he have to do to feature in a victory? note that our only victory in the last two months he wasn't playing also.Torres what more can be said, i seriously dislike him and that has never happened with me to a Chelsea player before in 18 years. Its not his performances i can live with crap displays it's his overall attitude is nothing short off shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 How does Cahill keep getting away with below par defensive performances? If Luiz or even Terry for that matter performed like that yesterday they would be getting it from all angles. When he performs crap it get covered up (often the blame shifted elsewhere) and when he performs well he is the second coming of christ. He is a good squad player but that's about his ceiling. Maybe it has something to do with his price tag, he didn't cost 25 millions and isn't a long time skipper and leader of the team, so people subliminally have lower expectations from him, hence the overreactions when he has good games and underreactions when he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,317 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Watching the post match interviews from both managers you see a stark contrast. Allardyce analysing and pinpointing the problems of the first half and talking through exactly what he did to win the game.Benitez bumbling through waffling on about nothing, lacking any sort of credibility. How has this prick even got to where he is today? It'll be Eriksson next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Sorry, I have to agree with BluesMaster. Mata's stats for the year and a half he's been here stands at 20 goals and 33 assists, which is absolutely phenomenal. He probably should've scored, yes, but we should be thankful we have such a quality player who gets into such positions in the first place.Also, with yesterdays goal, he has now surpassed Torres in goals for Chelsea. So forgive me if I'm not the first one to bash Mata.So? Their main job is to assist and create chances. Scoring comes second and when you compare Mata with other CAMs around, we should already be thankful that he scores than most of the others already.I'm not bashing Mata or anything. Ofc i am gr8ful of Mata he's a amazing! He needs to though be able to score these chippy little goals because if u look at UTD (luck/refs) they have 3 chances and they score 4 goals! (free penalties/own goals don't count). So I am just saying he should be able to finish off all his brilliance. I agree is main job isn't to score goals but if u miss loads of these easy chances. It does take its toll eventually and nearly all other CAMs can finish these chances. I am not criticising him but really for the long run he should work on finishing these chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 How does Cahill keep getting away with below par defensive performances? If Luiz or even Terry for that matter performed like that yesterday they would be getting it from all angles.When he performs crap it get covered up (often the blame shifted elsewhere) and when he performs well he is the second coming of christ. He is a good squad player but that's about his ceiling.Azpi is turning into the new Bale, what does he have to do to feature in a victory? note that our only victory in the last two months he wasn't playing also.Torres what more can be said, i seriously dislike him and that has never happened with me to a Chelsea player before in 18 years. Its not his performances i can live with crap displays it's his overall attitude is nothing short off shocking.Same could be said about Ashley Cole in my opinion, he never gets slated for playing piss poor or making mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I'm not bashing Mata or anything. Ofc i am gr8ful of Mata he's a amazing! He needs to though be able to score these chippy little goals because if u look at UTD (luck/refs) they have 3 chances and they score 4 goals! (free penalties/own goals don't count). So I am just saying he should be able to finish off all his brilliance.I thought Neil Patrick Harris would understand!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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