Closed West Ham 3-1 Chelsea

[Blue Traveler 256]

City have spent money and although took a while they eventully geled together and it paid off..difference being he was given time!Maybe not after this season but still lasted a while there so far!

Everytime a new manager comes there is no chance to build a whole new team as somewhere down the line off they go...

City have spent money and although took a while they eventully geled together and it paid off..difference being he was given time!Maybe not after this season but still lasted a while there so far!

Everytime a new manager comes there is no chance to build a whole new team as somewhere down the line off they go...

Why he should give the manager time when didn't gave any to the one who brought the ultimate prize in only 3 month?! why he should do so when he axed the manager which brought us the trophy after half a century? etc...!

[Henrique 9,133]

When we were under AVB people kept saying it was the veterans' fault for our bad form, now people are blaming their absence.

Under AVB, the poor results were not his fault. Under RDM the 4 games without a win in PL, the 3rd place in a UCL group stage with Shaktar on the lead wasnt italian fault.

[Henrique 9,133]

u r comparing shakhtar n juve loss to this pathetic shit???

No, because juve and shakter loss were way worst than that, way worst. Today we played a very good first half, and were also good in some parts of the second half.

Against Shaktar and Juventus it was a horror show during 90 minutes, not to mention the humilliating 4-1 against Atlético.

[ahsoon 5]

ramires, mata, moses, hazard compared with Ballack, Drogba, Kalou, Anelka. I dunnoe, this chelsea side may look fast and creative, but they have a smaller physique compared to the first team of the 09/10 season. Its gonna be hard for benitez to find the right tactic for a small physique team becoz its like teenagers vs adults. All the best to him.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Ivanovic should have done a lot better for west ham's second one although it did look like a foul,ivanovic should have prevented it and even cech could have come out to claim the ball.

[Ollie 4,400]

This is the lowest of all lows, i am so angry, fucking seething right now. The first half was excellent but i knew at half time that those wasted chances would come back and bite us hard. West Ham must've been so happy to only be 1-0 down and they came at us and we couldn't cope with them. We couldn't cope with West fucking Ham after going 1-0 up? So many of those players need to either show more desire or piss off because that 2nd half was as bad as it gets. I can't believe that happened. Mata was so unlucky with the free kick which woulda put us 2-1 up but that's not the point, that was disastrous. I have no idea what we were doing for their goals, just complete fucking bollocks.

This is all Romans fault. I don't give a shit what he has done for us now because this isn't good. With all his power and money, we should be challenging for the league every season. It's December 1st and the best we can hope for is 3rd. It shouldn't be like this, maybe he should just piss off and let someone else have a bit of money before slowly messing them up. I can't even blame Benitez as much as i want to. It's not his fault he got the job and the players can't finish off games and defenders make stupid individual mistakes.

This is worse than AVB's worst run. It's pathetic, lightweight shit. We need a Felaini so much.

On a plus point, Moses was excellent and in Azpi, we have a proper RB.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Why he should give the manager time when didn't gave any to the one who brought the ultimate prize in only 3 month?! why he should do so when he axed the manager which brought us the trophy after half a century? etc...!

Dont mean give Rafa time but managers in general.Espically whoever takes over from Rafa.And there lies the problem.Things dont always fall into place instantly and its hard to have a vison or making major changes or try and rebuild the team if your only given so long to do so.Hence it does seem why managers are afraid to take risks,and bench certain players etc.

We are going to be looked at as a place where you have limited time to make an impact and if you fail off you go.And we expect Pep or someone similar to take over?Its a massive risk for them and if someone else makes an offer at the same time..

So many decisons made by the board that are just wtf..sacking Jose....sacking Ray Wilkins what was that about?!!And yeah Carlo didnt do great 2nd season but didnt help one minute he had someone who he worked well with who randomly got the flick..and buying over expensive players who they feel the need to play or face the wrath it seems!

Everything just one crazy mess

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Sigh...really dispiriting time to be a Chelsea supporter. We're just a mess right now. Torres had one very bad miss but actually was one of our better players overall today. He isn't good enough to be our #1 striker, but he's not to blame for everything. We were just atrocious in the second half and it was the entire team, not Torres. Maybe it's time to accept that we're just not good enough. We have an owner and a board whose demands are obscure and probably unattainable and whose decision to sack managers and buy big-name, one-dimensional players at inflated prices has been disasterous. We have a squad without any identity or leaders.

[didierforever 7,349]

No, because juve and shakter loss were way worst than that, way worst.

let me tell u something about the wuality of teams... both juve and shakhtar outplayed us... even the 3-2 win against shakhtar made every one here say that they are the best oppositions we had faced this season. plus u r comparing european football teams to whu (no disrespect to them). the squad that we have is totally inexperienced and was going to be exposed in ucl, the inexperience was goin to show at that stage but u expect us to win against whu with the quality we have got. instead if anything the performance has dipped another level.

by the way what are we arguing on? are u actually saying benitez is doin a better job than rdm?

[The only place to be 11,313]

Sigh...really dispiriting time to be a Chelsea supporter. We're just a mess right now. Torres had one very bad miss but actually was one of our better players overall today. He isn't good enough to be our #1 striker, but he's not to blame for everything. We were just atrocious in the second half and it was the entire team, not Torres. Maybe it's time to accept that we're just not good enough. We have an owner and a board whose demands are obscure and probably unattainable and whose decision to sack managers and buy big-name, one-dimensional players at inflated prices has been disasterous. We have a squad without any identity or leaders.

Torres was atrocious for much of the match, but it isn't just what he does that causes us problems, it's what he doesn't do.

He doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't make runs to occupy defenders and create space for others. He doesn't get into the right positions in the box.

Azpi put a beautiful cross in in the first half and the defenders were split. Torres was nearer the 18 yard line than the 6 yard line. He simply doesn't do the basics that you would expect of a £4 million striker, let alone a £50 million one. We're essentially playing with 10 men every game because he's so fucking shit.

That doesn't excuse other players who had bad games, but how dispiriting must it be to have to play with this guy every week?

[Kojo 4,676]

True. I didn't question that at all. Hell, I even criticized him in several posts.

Also, its much more a structural problem I guess.

Torres sucked, Mikel sucked, Oscar sucked, Mata was not good besides his goal, Iva was on the ground more than I care to remember, the build up was horrendous, defending in the second half was ... Well... Sigh. Even Cech seems to have lost it a few times during the game.

So yeah, I do think it is fucked up if anyone picks out a new 21 year old such as Hazard to be the culprit. Those guys need to be nurtured, not burned out as they do with them now.

Ps: just for Henrique - i DO include Oscar in this. Just as I do Hazard.

Fuck's sake. If there is oe legitimate scapegoat it's surely Torres.

Hazards no scapegoat, and just because I'm talking about him now doesn't mean I'm pointing his performance out, people like Mata are more worrying to be honest.

I know he's a good player, november-december have been bad months for a while, especially november.

[Hutcho 8,443]

When we were under AVB people kept saying it was the veterans' fault for our bad form, now people are blaming their absence.

Well i have no idea who said that, but "the veterans" as you put them are what exactly this team need. I would honestly play lampy over anyone in our midfield right now as he is someone who is proud to wear the hirt and that is the kind of player we are lacking... And as for JT we need him because he is our best defender and in this situation more importantly the best Captain in the premier league.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

We need someone with a voice.Hard for Cech to command players and get himself heard if down the other end of the pitch

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Torres was atrocious for much of the match, but it isn't just what he does that causes us problems, it's what he doesn't do.

He doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't make runs to occupy defenders and create space for others. He doesn't get into the right positions in the box.

Azpi put a beautiful cross in in the first half and the defenders were split. Torres was nearer the 18 yard line than the 6 yard line. He simply doesn't do the basics that you would expect of a £4 million striker, let alone a £50 million one. We're essentially playing with 10 men every game because he's so fucking shit.

No,, we're not. He's shit, but we also play in a system where nobody crashes the net (we miss Sturridge for that). Some of that is because we generally almost never cross the ball, some of it is a lack of physicality. Torres himself had two excellent crosses right through the box and nobody was near them. Torres played like shit for some of the game but he also had a number of excellent moments which is more than can be said for most of the club. He's not good enough, but I'm getting sick of how everyone just blames him for everything. You don't lose 3-1 to West Ham because your striker missed a great chance. We were absolutely dominated in the second half, not because Torres couldn't finish, but because our squad played like crap.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

It's time to replace the Benitez out chants with Torres out

[Stingray 9,441]

Hazards no scapegoat, and just because I'm talking about him now doesn't mean I'm pointing his performance out, people like Mata are more worrying to be honest.

I know he's a good player, november-december have been bad months for a while, especially november.

God Kojo, I so hope we straighten this shit out...

Ps: i knew you aren't picking him out :-)

Our lack of speed and tactical errors building up is very worrysome. I really see this as a 'system failure' originating from our central backbone (Torres, Mikel for example)

Fuck me. This was bad ...

[Hutcho 8,443]

We need someone with a voice.Hard for Cech to command players and get himself heard if down the other end of the pitch

HIS NAME IS JOHN TERRY!

[The only place to be 11,313]

No,, we're not. He's shit, but we also play in a system where nobody crashes the net (we miss Sturridge for that). Some of that is because we generally almost never cross the ball, some of it is a lack of physicality. Torres himself had two excellent crosses right through the box and nobody was near them. Torres played like shit for some of the game but he also had a number of excellent moments which is more than can be said for most of the club. He's not good enough, but I'm getting sick of how everyone just blames him for everything. You don't lose 3-1 to West Ham because your striker missed a great chance. We were absolutely dominated in the second half, not because Torres couldn't finish, but because our squad played like crap.

You lose if you don't convert your chances and our main striker simply doesn't get in the right positions. You defend from the front in football matches and if number 9 isn't doing his job then it puts more pressure on the rest of the team. If he can't hold the ball up whilst his teammates get closer to him and run beyond him, then it makes it so much easier for the opposition.

He's not the only problem in the team, but he's one of the biggest ones. He fails to do the most basic things a striker is asked to do.

[didierforever 7,349]

You lose if you don't convert your chances and our main striker simply doesn't get in the right positions. You defend from the front in football matches and if number 9 isn't doing his job then it puts more pressure on the rest of the team. If he can't hold the ball up whilst his teammates get closer to him and run beyond him, then it makes it so much easier for the opposition.

He's not the only problem in the team, but he's one of the biggest ones. He fails to do the most basic things a striker is asked to do.

TORRES IS A STRIKER??? well that news to me...

[Stingray 9,441]

Now I just hope Fellaini screws mancity all by himself ...