The Benitez Thread

[Spike 12,049]

We assume the russian makes the decisions from what the media says, but there seem to be too many. Some board fuck ups off the top off my head

Board members, their wife’s and tennis partners buying CPO shares to try and force a move from the Bridge

Running a stadium tour with Ginola as guide.

Lineker presenting the Player of the Year awards.

Patronising statements warning fans about their 'behaviour'.

Kenyon leading the team up to collect the medals in Moscow.

...Cant all be Romans genius

Edit; Singha fucking beer !

What in the actual fuck? Ginola? Lineker? What the balls are they doing at this club?

[robdog 2,084]

What in the actual fuck? Ginola? Lineker? What the balls are they doing at this club?

receiving a paycheck

[Fulham Broadway 16,948]

What in the actual fuck? Ginola? Lineker? What the balls are they doing at this club?

Quite a link with Sp*rs going on when you scrape beneath the surface. Not just Lineker and Ginola...

Our head of Communications was a Sp*rs season ticket holder -Simon Greenberg.

It seems they like winding the fans up because they know they can get away with it...until now

[Spike 12,049]

Quite a link with Sp*rs going on when you scrape beneath the surface. Not just Lineker and Ginola...

Our head of Communications was a Sp*rs season ticket holder -Simon Greenberg.

It seems they like winding the fans up because they know they can get away with it...until now

That's sickening. Ugh.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

our players are playing week in and week out. they have dropped 5 trophies this season already. the mood in dressing room seems abysmall. do u think they can self motivate easily. no way. thats a manager's job and one of his cheif ones. and benitez has done a wonderful job of not doing anything regarding this.

i would have agreed with you about it being only the defenders mistake if this was the first time we had it happen to us. but is it? the same exact thing happened against southampton and swansea ( 2 shots and 2 goals). if u cant see a pattern here, then i cant help you. this goes way too deep than just defensive mistakes and poor concentrations. its been happening to arsenal for what 5-6 years now, and the person who is most accountable is the coach for trying to get another goal instead of seeing of the match. and benitez's comments about getting a 3rd totally supports this.

so reagarding the demba ba sub, tell me was the right one? 88 mins 2-1, the only thing in the manager's mind should be to shut off the match and this is no rock-paper-scissors. its basic common sense which FSW seems to be lacking. did reading need an invitation to attack attack attack... they were 2-1 and had just got a goal, what do u think they were supposed to do, be satisfied by getting a consolation and sit back and let the clock run. any team would have been on the attack, and any team leading 2-1 should have been on the defense. and with a sub like JT, i would not have thought about it even once. dont forget that this is the same FSW who in liverpool used to take off a winger or a forward to replace with a defensive player as soon as pool went 2-0 or 3-0 up. remember his defensive strats? he dint play rock-paper-scissors then and neither did he need to play it yesterday, but all he needed to do was use that thing on the top of every human, a brain.

this is a discussion about FSW. i dont know how your argument of having problems BACK then makes sense. for me the problem is simple, we dont have a playing style. under rdm we atleast tried playing one touch passing upfront thru mazacar and it was all thru the center until a sub like moses came in to provide width. but now down the left we play bert and cole who combined might have put a couple of crosses in the whole season. down the right he have oscar who is looking to cut in or just simply be central at every given oppurtunity. thru the center we just hope mata creates magic.

the young players are pretty much ready to take up the responsibility in my opinion, because to be honest they dont have very big shoes to fill. azpi for bosingwa (i think doing a way better job), hazard for kallou (are u kidding me), marin for malouda (what can u say when a manager continues to play a left back on the left wing when we have a winger), oscar and moses have done a pretty decent job compared to any of our forwards last season in pl (DD included). the only shoes to fill are DD's which the ladyboy cant even fathom to do in our wildest dreams so y persist with him when we probably have the best striker or one of the best strikers in PL at this moment.

also no one is saying that FSW is the only reason for our current predicament. a lot of blame goes on the board to sack rdm and make him the manager. players have to take their share of blames of playing the same game over and over again and not learning from their mistakes. the game i am refering to is the one in which we dominate all match long but dont take our chances and then end up dropping points (wba,swansea (carling cup and pl),liverpool,wba,reading,southampton,qpr) all these games have the same exact story. but all this aside FSW has to take the majority of the blame for the mess.

as for "Sacking a manager can let you and many others sleep tighter at night but I'm not so sure it will do the club any good". how will it not do the club any good? by getting a top 4 finish because in my opinion we cant with FSW. our last 6 fixtures are TOT(H),LIV(A),SWAN(H),MANU(A),VILLA(A) and EVERTON(H). 3 of the 6 teams will be fighting for the 3-4th spot, one of them will be fighting for the title and the other 2 are our Bogey teams. i can see us screwing up badly and ending out of top 4. and for me that is way higher on priority list than wondering if the players will be able to cope with a 3rd style of playing or "sending a message to potential next managers that even in darker times he will be having a chance to redeem himself".

(by the way what "style of playing" has FSW been endorsing here?)

You might have forgotten that RDM played us out of 3 competitions so far - CL, Community Shield and Super Cup. Now the loss to Atletico Madrid has been one of the worsts this season, totally played off the park. You might say it's because players played week in week out, but he had noone to rotate the players with. When AFCON ends, players come back from injureis / suspensions I'll be a bit more confident in our abilities. Rafa has had a more rigid time with less players available to him compared to RdM and also less fresh.

We finished 6th last season in the EPL, how's that not a sign of danger? We had enormous luck in the CL, we didn't win it because we played anyone off the park. (exceptions to Napoli and Benfica, whom we played in early knockout stages) We are replacing players that have played for us for years and years with new YOUNG faces. Kalous, Maloudas, Bosingwas, Drogbas had been playing together for a long time, we can't replace that kind of partnership just like that. Also Meireles was a good squad player for us with loads of experience. This year it's possible that Lampard, Ferreira leave the club. End of next season A.Cole and our captain Terry. So do you really believe our problems started solely because Benitez took over?

A club who sacks interim managers is never a good place to come to. Moreover we don't have to chuck out his salary in full amount right away + 'loyalty' bonus. This is a transition period, we can't overlook this fact. Last seasons CL, FA cup have had cosmetic effect and fans believe that after losing so many long time players and getting in children, that we will magically start to play better. I think we share the same view - Benitez HAS to go, but main question is when? I don't think having 3-4 managers in a year will do the club any good, nor the players.

PS. Ironically enough, when he took over our defense looked way more solid. I remain to my word that last game was players fault. They aren't some programmable robots who need to code line every time to do something. They left the players unmarked, it's their fault. How did they manage to keep Reading having any chance at goal for the 87th minute then? Also - if i was a player- it wouldn't really inculcate confidence in me when the club's manager get booed in every step of his way. So in a sense, we fans are also to be blamed. It also adds up why team has been dire playing in Stamford Bridge.

[bushman 2,043]

Rafa´s facts tells me he collected just 22 points from 12 PL games, two fewer than DiM before he was sacked.

Now, I would like post here the following:

If Chelsea do not win the next 3-4 games, he just might be canned & he should be.

There is too much at stake here. The club can not afford to miss CL next year. Any other competition should be secondary as indicated by the board.

Even during the transfer window no player was bought apart from the obvious choice striker BA. It seems to me, Chelsea´s board can not wait for him to hit the road.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

chelseaxtra ‏@chelseaxtra

Rafa Benitez wanted 2 more players before close of transfer window, board denied his request- mean he will not be perm #cfc boss! Sounds gd

[Hutcho 8,443]

chelseaxtra ‏@chelseaxtra

Rafa Benitez wanted 2 more players before close of transfer window, board denied his request- mean he will not be perm #cfc boss! Sounds gd

That sounds likely, but i doubt they would know that so probably made the assumption pretended that is was fact. Though it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted more players but we said no.

[bushman 2,043]

We all know Rafa is not staying on.

However, not helping the team is as stupid as hiring Rafa, I feel.

[didierforever 7,349]

You might have forgotten that RDM played us out of 3 competitions so far - CL, Community Shield and Super Cup. Now the loss to Atletico Madrid has been one of the worsts this season, totally played off the park. You might say it's because players played week in week out, but he had noone to rotate the players with. When AFCON ends, players come back from injureis / suspensions I'll be a bit more confident in our abilities. Rafa has had a more rigid time with less players available to him compared to RdM and also less fresh.

We finished 6th last season in the EPL, how's that not a sign of danger? We had enormous luck in the CL, we didn't win it because we played anyone off the park. (exceptions to Napoli and Benfica, whom we played in early knockout stages) We are replacing players that have played for us for years and years with new YOUNG faces. Kalous, Maloudas, Bosingwas, Drogbas had been playing together for a long time, we can't replace that kind of partnership just like that. Also Meireles was a good squad player for us with loads of experience. This year it's possible that Lampard, Ferreira leave the club. End of next season A.Cole and our captain Terry. So do you really believe our problems started solely because Benitez took over?

A club who sacks interim managers is never a good place to come to. Moreover we don't have to chuck out his salary in full amount right away + 'loyalty' bonus. This is a transition period, we can't overlook this fact. Last seasons CL, FA cup have had cosmetic effect and fans believe that after losing so many long time players and getting in children, that we will magically start to play better. I think we share the same view - Benitez HAS to go, but main question is when? I don't think having 3-4 managers in a year will do the club any good, nor the players.

PS. Ironically enough, when he took over our defense looked way more solid. I remain to my word that last game was players fault. They aren't some programmable robots who need to code line every time to do something. They left the players unmarked, it's their fault. How did they manage to keep Reading having any chance at goal for the 87th minute then? Also - if i was a player- it wouldn't really inculcate confidence in me when the club's manager get booed in every step of his way. So in a sense, we fans are also to be blamed. It also adds up why team has been dire playing in Stamford Bridge.

first things first, did u read my last post? there was a whole para dedicated to it not being all banitez's fault, so i dont get your So do you really believe our problems started solely because Benitez took over?

how many times has it happened specially for chelsea that a manager is axed, a new one replaces him and perform better. were they given drugs or something back then? i dont get your "fresh player" argument and neither do i get your injured player argument. JT and lamps barely played under rdm. plus afcon only started 3 weeks ago but these poor results under FSW were going on way before that.

we finished 6th last year and yet u say it would be difficult for our young players to fill in the shoes of kalous, bosingwas and maloudas. so according to u, our players are surpassing your expectations by a mile by being 3rd in the table.

we might be a club in transition but our aims and expectations are still pretty high. getting knocked out of group stages was unacceptable and cost a manager his job and so should not getting 4th place. plus we have not got "children"... hazard was more than proven and he has done himself no harm with the performances he has put. azpi has played cl before and also is quite proven. moses has played PL week in and out for 2 seasons now. so dont give arsenal like excuses...

if we were so worried about spending money on managers i would have thought we would not have paid 13m to porto for avb and then 13m in compensation.

our defense dint look solid, we just stopped attacking for the city and fulham game because after that i dint see much difference (remember the whu game). i dont even remember if we actually had a decent chance in both those games combined...

so let me get your last lines straight... its the players fault that we are performing badly, its also the fans' fault to boo the manager which is making us play badly at home but the only person blameless in all of this the great fat cunt...

[Rmpr 8,977]

Just fuck off, be a man and quit!

[bushman 2,043]

Nah, Rafa does not need to quit.

Those that recommended him should start packing if Chelsea drops more points.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

first things first, did u read my last post? there was a whole para dedicated to it not being all banitez's fault, so i dont get your So do you really believe our problems started solely because Benitez took over?

how many times has it happened specially for chelsea that a manager is axed, a new one replaces him and perform better. were they given drugs or something back then? i dont get your "fresh player" argument and neither do i get your injured player argument. JT and lamps barely played under rdm. plus afcon only started 3 weeks ago but these poor results under FSW were going on way before that.

we finished 6th last year and yet u say it would be difficult for our young players to fill in the shoes of kalous, bosingwas and maloudas. so according to u, our players are surpassing your expectations by a mile by being 3rd in the table.

we might be a club in transition but our aims and expectations are still pretty high. getting knocked out of group stages was unacceptable and cost a manager his job and so should not getting 4th place. plus we have not got "children"... hazard was more than proven and he has done himself no harm with the performances he has put. azpi has played cl before and also is quite proven. moses has played PL week in and out for 2 seasons now. so dont give arsenal like excuses...

if we were so worried about spending money on managers i would have thought we would not have paid 13m to porto for avb and then 13m in compensation.

our defense dint look solid, we just stopped attacking for the city and fulham game because after that i dint see much difference (remember the whu game). i dont even remember if we actually had a decent chance in both those games combined...

so let me get your last lines straight... its the players fault that we are performing badly, its also the fans' fault to boo the manager which is making us play badly at home but the only person blameless in all of this the great fat cunt...

Great post for taking everything out of context. I'm bored of arguing with you. We both have nothing new to say to eachother, quite repetitive. Our new signings are all great, but they lack experience in PL. They are young enough not to be mature even as people. Regarding Moses, we are missing him dearly atm but saying things like he has been regular in EPL for 2 seasons, so what? He hasn't been in a big club like Chelsea fighting to win every game, every competition - he lacks that winner's mentality and know-how how to perform week in week out, grind results.. Besides, Titus Bramble is a PL veteran, can't say I'd trust him in our defense regardless. Sacking AVB ?- no FFP, this time another story.

I'm really surprised with your last line - I've been posting fucking essays to this thread in reply to you driving home a point that what's going on atm is not ONLY his fault but a more complex situation that involves the players, the fans, the board. However, still you go on stating that every person, who can see a wider picture here, is somehow a torres fan and benitez suck up. To make a point clear, I hate Torres and Benitez doesn't belong to this club. The way I was raised up , though, doesn't allow me to sink as low as start insulting others whenever things go sour.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

first things first, did u read my last post? there was a whole para dedicated to it not being all banitez's fault, so i dont get your So do you really believe our problems started solely because Benitez took over?

how many times has it happened specially for chelsea that a manager is axed, a new one replaces him and perform better. were they given drugs or something back then? i dont get your "fresh player" argument and neither do i get your injured player argument. JT and lamps barely played under rdm. plus afcon only started 3 weeks ago but these poor results under FSW were going on way before that.

we finished 6th last year and yet u say it would be difficult for our young players to fill in the shoes of kalous, bosingwas and maloudas. so according to u, our players are surpassing your expectations by a mile by being 3rd in the table.

we might be a club in transition but our aims and expectations are still pretty high. getting knocked out of group stages was unacceptable and cost a manager his job and so should not getting 4th place. plus we have not got "children"... hazard was more than proven and he has done himself no harm with the performances he has put. azpi has played cl before and also is quite proven. moses has played PL week in and out for 2 seasons now. so dont give arsenal like excuses...

if we were so worried about spending money on managers i would have thought we would not have paid 13m to porto for avb and then 13m in compensation.

our defense dint look solid, we just stopped attacking for the city and fulham game because after that i dint see much difference (remember the whu game). i dont even remember if we actually had a decent chance in both those games combined...

so let me get your last lines straight... its the players fault that we are performing badly, its also the fans' fault to boo the manager which is making us play badly at home but the only person blameless in all of this the great fat cunt...

You're putting words in his mouth so to say, all along he is saying it is not ONLY Rafa's fault but also players not turning up plus fans locking onto 1-2 people surrounding the club to be the sole culprits.. He is showing you the other side of the story which you like to twist and circle the same 2-3 arguments you've got. Also isn't it odd that this group of players are unmanageable by some of the top names in world football and never get the blame? And to expect 21-22 year olds to step up on every level and demand constistency is just deluded.

azpi has played cl before and also is quite proven - lots of crap players have played cl before, does that make them "proven"? Azpi is overachieving anyone's expectations and for me, alongside Mata, two of the best this season

[didierforever 7,349]

You're putting words in his mouth so to say, all along he is saying it is not ONLY Rafa's fault but also players not turning up plus fans locking onto 1-2 people surrounding the club to be the sole culprits.. He is showing you the other side of the story which you like to twist and circle the same 2-3 arguments you've got. Also isn't it odd that this group of players are unmanageable by some of the top names in world football and never get the blame? And to expect 21-22 year olds to step up on every level and demand constistency is just deluded.

azpi has played cl before and also is quite proven - lots of crap players have played cl before, does that make them "proven"? Azpi is overachieving anyone's expectations and for me, alongside Mata, two of the best this season

"i think its the players fault" saying that over and over again, is that not repetitive when in my last to last post i have already said y it cant be the players' mistake because this is not the firt 2-0 lead we have given away this season. neither is it the first time that a team has got 2 shots on goals and 2 goals for it. even the qpr match was 1 shot i goal. it is way more deep than "the player not marking their men perfectly"... so its not my fault tht i keeping saying the same thing again and again when he keeps giving the same argument again and again.

azpi is a gem of a player, so is oscar, so is moses and so is hazard, expecting them to perform and a consistent leve is deluded???? how can u say that? what team are they playing for? the fucking european champions? what do u think they were bought for? to play 5 good games this season. this "young players so cant do much" argument is lame. do i need to tell u that by no means do u have a young squad. cahill,luiz,rambo,mikel in 25s. lamps, JT, cole, cech in 30s. iva-28/29. torres and ba both over 27. we have squad with a proper range of age.

this group of people maybe "unmanagable" even though i dont really understand what u mean by that because jose won us 2 pl, carlo got a double, rdm won fa and ucl, gus won fa andi can bet anythin that any manager dint have as bad a record as FSW. the point is we dont look like winning any thing at the moment and we dont look like finishing 4th at the moment if any team behind us hits form.

[bushman 2,043]

Azpi to me was one of the better signings in years. The amount of money the club paid for him, he is worth every penny.

Give me 2-3 players like Azpi & Chelsea are in great shape.

[didierforever 7,349]

Great post for taking everything out of context. I'm bored of arguing with you. We both have nothing new to say to eachother, quite repetitive. Our new signings are all great, but they lack experience in PL. They are young enough not to be mature even as people. Regarding Moses, we are missing him dearly atm but saying things like he has been regular in EPL for 2 seasons, so what? He hasn't been in a big club like Chelsea fighting to win every game, every competition - he lacks that winner's mentality and know-how how to perform week in week out, grind results.. Besides, Titus Bramble is a PL veteran, can't say I'd trust him in our defense regardless. Sacking AVB ?- no FFP, this time another story.

I'm really surprised with your last line - I've been posting fucking essays to this thread in reply to you driving home a point that what's going on atm is not ONLY his fault but a more complex situation that involves the players, the fans, the board. However, still you go on stating that every person, who can see a wider picture here, is somehow a torres fan and benitez suck up. To make a point clear, I hate Torres and Benitez doesn't belong to this club. The way I was raised up , though, doesn't allow me to sink as low as start insulting others whenever things go sour.

"I'm bored of arguing with you" the feeling is mutual.

"We both have nothing new to say to eachother, quite repetitive" totally agree.

"Regarding Moses, we are missing him dearly atm but saying things like he

has been regular in EPL for 2 seasons, so what? He hasn't been in a big

club like Chelsea fighting to win every game, every competition - he

lacks that winner's mentality and know-how how to perform week in week

out, grind results." this is the comment tat would probably kill moses' soul if he ever read it. the guy has been quite consistent. has performed really well wenever he has got a chance. the only really poor performance would be cwc final.

the last line seems to have hurt u so sorry for that. but i still hold on to some beliefs no matter what. all u need to do is read some of the posts from posters like rafafan etc or a lot of them in torres' thread to know what they put first, chelsea or the blondie and FSW.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

"i think its the players fault" saying that over and over again, is that not repetitive when in my last to last post i have already said y it cant be the players' mistake because this is not the firt 2-0 lead we have given away this season. neither is it the first time that a team has got 2 shots on goals and 2 goals for it. even the qpr match was 1 shot i goal. it is way more deep than "the player not marking their men perfectly"... so its not my fault tht i keeping saying the same thing again and again when he keeps giving the same argument again and again.

azpi is a gem of a player, so is oscar, so is moses and so is hazard, expecting them to perform and a consistent leve is deluded???? how can u say that? what team are they playing for? the fucking european champions? what do u think they were bought for? to play 5 good games this season. this "young players so cant do much" argument is lame. do i need to tell u that by no means do u have a young squad. cahill,luiz,rambo,mikel in 25s. lamps, JT, cole, cech in 30s. iva-28/29. torres and ba both over 27. we have squad with a proper range of age.

this group of people maybe "unmanagable" even though i dont really understand what u mean by that because jose won us 2 pl, carlo got a double, rdm won fa and ucl, gus won fa andi can bet anythin that any manager dint have as bad a record as FSW. the point is we dont look like winning any thing at the moment and we dont look like finishing 4th at the moment if any team behind us hits form.

3 of them sacked, 1 didn't want to keep managing us even after leaving the Russian post, opting for Turkey

Never said it is player's fault. It's a mix of rubbish performance by most of the squad, questionable tactics/subs and most of the fans not helping the cause by acting like twats. You make it sound as if managers control the player on the field as it was FIFA or something, it's not. Just look at the second Reading goal, someone from the defence fucked up and rather than taking his position was caught up and cost us. Just like Ivanovic, who threw away the semi finals (not blaming him for it, he made two schoolboy errors but who of us doesn't from time to time?)

And about the young players we've got. They're doing fine, in fact better than most of us hoped for. But they're young. No matter how talented you are as a footballer, growing up as a person mentally takes time. Just look at the Hazard situation with the ball boy, I'm sure more experienced and older players would have perhaps dealt with it some other way, especially looking at the situation we were in. So yes, it's deluded to put pressure on them to constantly put in world class performances. They need time and not pressure. Plus in Terry we've lost a leader on the pitch (hasn't played that much recently). Lampard of course is an icon in the club but he comes across more mild and even abit shy at times, which is totally fine but not a trait of a natural leader. Not everyone who is in the club for a long time automatically become leaders and captain material. I'd never see Mata being a captain for the same reason. He comes across as a great lad but a leader not only comforts and supports his mates but also pushes them and demands. Not many like that.