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[Stats 7,060]

Manu lost to a City team that was, on the day, world class in a once in a life-time match. Liverpool were excellent against city at the start of the season; they played their best game so far against them. While we face a below average Liverpool team and lacked the character to take all three points; the kind of character that Utd showed yesterday to come back from 2-0 down.

Of course I'm not saying that whoever beats Liverpool wins the title, it's not about Liverpool themselves but about the side that we faced today, and today they were very weak and we couldn't take advantage of that and that is why I don't think we can 't challenge for the title with results like this.

The Premier League is like that. I don't think judging by this performance we can say this will not win us the title, it is the unpredictability of this league. City won the league last season and also picked up odd results last season when they won the league, eg drawing at home to Sunderland 3-3. Liverpool have a good team and have been unfortunate a lot this season. They had a weakened team against United and City but put in very good performances.

[Danelka 209]

That wasnt really my point. I just suggest (and I think) that there is more to it.

Btw I dont really understand your point, because if I was the manager I would at least give Danny a chance no matter if he would act like a complete asshole in trainings (which I seriousley think is VERY FAR from the truth), simply because we've tried with Torres for so long and he just keeps end up being crap. Or even with Moses there, Or hazard... or SOMETHING ELSE than that blonde..

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point with giving Sturridge more chance, I just think if Robbie preferes Torres over Sturridge, it is because he decided that way, and not because he is being told what to do.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point with giving Sturridge more chance, I just think if Robbie preferes Torres over Sturridge, it is because he decided that way, and not because he is being told what to do.

That's what you think, but you have to realize that the board decides the future of Chelsea more than RDM does. Plus RDM isnt on a long-term contract. So at the moment, I believe the board is giving him alot of orders and/or guidelines.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The Premier League is like that. I don't think judging by this performance we can say this will not win us the title, it is the unpredictability of this league. City won the league last season and also picked up odd results last season when they won the league, eg drawing at home to Sunderland 3-3. Liverpool have a good team and have been unfortunate a lot this season. They had a weakened team against United and City but put in very good performances.

And we weren't up to scratch today. It happens - we're in a bit of a slump and sometimes things don't go your way, exactly what happened today.

It is not about this match in particular but what it showed. To me, it just seems unthinkable that a Manchester team would play against a team that put in such a weak performance and not win, especially of they had the chances that we had tonight.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Hahaha, I love the look on his face when he realizes nobody actually went there to celebrate with him.

Forever alone.

I would have him at CFC in a flash, with an attitude change he could easily win player of the year...

[The Skipper 20,593]

It is not about this match in particular but what it showed. To me, it just seems unthinkable that a Manchester team would play against a team that put in such a weak performance and not win, especially of they had the chances that we had tonight.

Again as I said before, that has to do with their forward lines being a lot more experienced and mature than ours.

RVP, Rooney, Valencia and Young are a lot more experienced than our three maestros. So is a forward line of Silva, Tevez, Nasri etc.

That's the difference really.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Again as I said before, that has to do with their forward lines being a lot more experienced and mature than ours.

RVP, Rooney, Valencia and Young are a lot more experienced than our three maestros. So is a forward line of Silva, Tevez, Nasri etc.

That's the difference really.

Exactly. I completely agree. And that is why they are favorites for the tittle imho.

[edetarod 2,155]

these last two games have been very AVB-esque for my liking

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

Yes..... RDM clearly doesn't have the balls to bench him for poor peformances, so I guess the fans can force the issue and help the coach know torres is terrible. We've booed sturridge before.

Or, maybe you're wrong and RDM thinks that Torres is a better option for the team than Sturridge is and you have to accept that fact that playing Torres ahead of Danny is simply making the best out of a bad situation. I've no doubt that we'll be buying a new forward in January, so you have to accept the fact that Torres will be no.1 until then at least. It's evident that he was given this season to turn things around for himself and he's not delivering, but it's not going to change the fact that we don't have anyone better. The board made a mistake in that aspect, it's not Torres' fault that we don't have any other options aside from Sturridge. Frankly I don't know what Sturridge has done to become so highly rated on this board anyway, because, based on what i've seen of him, he's not a better footballer than Torres and he doesn't work anywhere near as hard. He's never played the CF role at the club, so to expect him to instantly be the answer to our prayers is simply naive.

This is chelsea fc not torres fc.

Thanks for that, i've made a note of it.

[drog.ba 239]

Torres is our main problem, cant afford to keep carrying him; it's the most important yet weakest area of the team. Time to accept he's crap, we've given him every opportunity, shipped out Drogba, made him first choice with no one to challenge him, but he's just gone to shit. It's going to be impossible for us to win the league with him up front; with a top striker we'd have a very good chance. Still this team is just coming together, it just seems we are wasting a good opportunity to win trophies while the team is still being built.

[chelseathebest 150]

It's a shame to lose 2 points after leading of 1:0 and a number of missed chances, but nothing's over yet.

Manchester teams won't keep winning in 80+ forever. They will also drop some points eventually.

If we keep thinking that we are not title contenders, than we surely won't be ones.

Next two months are crucial, if we stay on top, I am sure that we will be fighting for the title up to the very end.

In January we have to get rid of Torres and bring at least a striker to our squad. That is a must, otherwise all of our ambitions will sink in a moment.

We could also think of bringing Josh back.

Furthermore, RDM needs to sort some things out. His subs are fucking weird.

Torres needs to be dropped for either Danny or Moses.

And we need to rotate a bit more.

Anyways, I think we have it all in our hands.

[drog.ba 239]

It was stupid to go into the season with only two unreliable strikers

[Tomo 21,736]

It is not about this match in particular but what it showed. To me, it just seems unthinkable that a Manchester team would play against a team that put in such a weak performance and not win, especially of they had the chances that we had tonight.

Not true, Tottenham were terrible at Old Trafford and still won, we need to stop focusing on the Manchester two this term, we won't cut the 25 points gap in one go, we need to focus on keeping Arsenal and Spurs at arms length.

[Las7 951]

Or, maybe you're wrong and RDM thinks that Torres is a better option for the team than Sturridge is and you have to accept that fact that playing Torres ahead of Danny is simply making the best out of a bad situation. I've no doubt that we'll be buying a new forward in January, so you have to accept the fact that Torres will be no.1 until then at least. It's evident that he was given this season to turn things around for himself and he's not delivering, but it's not going to change the fact that we don't have anyone better. The board made a mistake in that aspect, it's not Torres' fault that we don't have any other options aside from Sturridge. Frankly I don't know what Sturridge has done to become so highly rated on this board anyway, because, based on what i've seen of him, he's not a better footballer than Torres and he doesn't work anywhere near as hard. He's never played the CF role at the club, so to expect him to instantly be the answer to our prayers is simply naive.

That doesn't explain how virtually any other team rotates their strikers as much as possible but only us and Liverpool play Torres/Suarez every game. Sturridge has had 220 minutes on the field Torres 1550 minutes.

Pretty much Torres is playing till he comes good and it's starting to cost us.

At the very least we can do now is give Sturridge a few games in a row up top both for him and Torres's good - the more Torres is playing the worse he gets. No surprise he has been completely ineffectual in the second half in the last 3-4 games we have played.

Hernandez has played 700 minutes for MU while Dzeko has played 600 minutes for City.

Only player in a similar situation is Adebayor. Who has had 300 minutes at Spurs. But he has Zero goals - Sturridge at least got a few goals for us. Didn't stop AVB starting him tonight ahead of Defoe

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Or, maybe you're wrong and RDM thinks that Torres is a better option for the team than Sturridge is and you have to accept that fact that playing Torres ahead of Danny is simply making the best out of a bad situation. I've no doubt that we'll be buying a new forward in January, so you have to accept the fact that Torres will be no.1 until then at least. It's evident that he was given this season to turn things around for himself and he's not delivering, but it's not going to change the fact that we don't have anyone better. The board made a mistake in that aspect, it's not Torres' fault that we don't have any other options aside from Sturridge. Frankly I don't know what Sturridge has done to become so highly rated on this board anyway, because, based on what i've seen of him, he's not a better footballer than Torres and he doesn't work anywhere near as hard. He's never played the CF role at the club, so to expect him to instantly be the answer to our prayers is simply naive.

I've calmed down after the match. But I was attacking torres bcos of how many times he lost the ball or the attack was halted when the ball went to him.

Holding up the ball should be basic for any striker and if sturridge is given a chance and he doesn't give possesion to the opposition more than he passes to team mates like torres, then I would take him over torres anytime. But he hasn't had the chance at all but I think moses can play there. RDM just has to be concerned enough to try somthing else instead of hoping torres comes good till the 82nd minute.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

That doesn't explain how virtually any other team rotates their strikers as much as possible but only us and Liverpool play Torres/Suarez every game. Sturridge has had 220 minutes on the field Torres 1550 minutes.

Pretty much Torres is playing till he comes good and it's starting to cost us.

At the very least we can do now is give Sturridge a few games in a row up top both for him and Torres's good - the more Torres is playing the worse he gets. No surprise he has been completely ineffectual in the second half in the last 3-4 games we have played.

We don't have anyone to rotate him with though, same story with Liverpool. They have Borini, who is a striker/winger, we have Sturridge, same difference. Neither are true centre forwards. Obviously RDM isn't convinced by Sturridge up top either and we can't afford to give him a few games to see if he's good enough to be our lone striker (there have been suggestions for Moses at CF as well, but as far as i'm concerned, that'll never happen, nor should it). You can wish for Sturridge to get his chance and perhaps come good, but it ain't gonna happen. We're stuck with Torres as the number one striker at the club until January, and that's the unfortunate truth. The board took a gamble, and as yet, it's not paying off.

[Las7 951]

We don't have anyone to rotate him with though, same story with Liverpool. They have Borini, who is a striker/winger, we have Sturridge, same difference. Neither are true centre forwards. Obviously RDM isn't convinced by Sturridge up top either and we can't afford to give him a few games to see if he's good enough to be our lone striker (there have been suggestions for Moses at CF as well, but as far as i'm concerned, that'll never happen, nor should it). You can wish for Sturridge to get his chance and perhaps come good, but it ain't gonna happen. We're stuck with Torres as the number one striker at the club until January, and that's the unfortunate truth. The board took a gamble, and as yet, it's not paying off.

Torres has not been good enough, Sturridge has outscored him 2 seasons in a row it's about time he is played instead of Torres. Simple as that.

If he is also awful it won't hurt us anymore than Torres at the moment. Obviously Torres is not good enough to be our lone striker so there is nothing to loose anymore

[Laylabelle 9,406]

Manu lost to a City team that was, on the day, world class in a once in a life-time match. Liverpool were excellent against city at the start of the season; they played their best game so far against them. While we face a below average Liverpool team and lacked the character to take all three points; the kind of character that Utd showed yesterday to come back from 2-0 down.

Of course I'm not saying that whoever beats Liverpool wins the title, it's not about Liverpool themselves but about the side that we faced today, and today they were very weak and we couldn't take advantage of that and that is why I don't think we can 't challenge for the title with results like this.

They were very weak but as shown dont take chances you get punished.We drew against QPR and they were shite and still are shite really.Any team can beat anyone on their day weak or not.

We had the charatcter against Man U when we came back..until the bookings and offside goal happened but Carling Cup wise we came back and on Weds so at least its still there in some form the not giving up ness.Least it was less 'meh' and you could see they cared just didnt manage to make the most of chances given

We didnt loose..our stats of late against them are crap so a point not mega bad espically seeing as we nearly threw that away as well

Man U show character but its crazy them going 2-0 down or so in the first place.They at times dont look like title contenders either not with the defence way it is