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Torres has not been good enough

I can't dispute that. I'll just repeat that we don't have any other true strikers.

Torres has not been good enough, Sturridge has outscored him 2 seasons in a row it's about time he is played instead of Torres. Simple as that.

If he is also awful it won't hurt us anymore than Torres at the moment. Obviously Torres is not good enough to be our lone striker so there is nothing to loose anymore

I won't get into comparing their goal return purely because they have been in and out of the team and in and out of favour with the different managers we've had. Personally, i'm of the opinion that we'd be a poorer team with Sturridge up front than Torres, but then again i've never really rated Sturridge and I fail to see why so many people hold him in high regard. Playing the lone striker role when you're not scoring goals is difficult, yes we know he's not good enough when it comes to goal return, but I don't just base my opinion of a striker on goal return alone.

It's pretty clear to me that Torres is the no.1 striker until at least January even if he isn't playing well, Sturridge is a backup option at best who is probably going to leave anyway. I've accepted it, hence why I get bored of reading 'Torres this' and 'Torres that' after every single touch of the ball he has.

[Blue Armour 4,323]

Torres has not been good enough, Sturridge has outscored him 2 seasons in a row it's about time he is played instead of Torres. Simple as that.

If he is also awful it won't hurt us anymore than Torres at the moment. Obviously Torres is not good enough to be our lone striker so there is nothing to loose anymore

That's what I'm (and I think RDM) not sure of. Criticism of Torres , whilst deserved, has been slightly exaggerated. He still serves as an outlet for the midfield players helping with the passing around the final third, as well as occasionally holding up the ball.

[robsblubot 3,549]

Defensively, conceded on set pieces and let Suarez get behind a sleeping defense line -- Czech got us a point today because that was a sitter.

I was concerned about Terry form, but he was great until picking up that very scary injury. Interestingly enough, we started with a low defense line, letting Lpool have possession, but defending well with many players behind the ball. Ironically, when we moved the line higher up in the second half was the time Lpool played better. I agree with many who posted Lpool improved after Oscar was subbed. I thought Hazard would've been a better sub.

I'm still unsure whether we can have possession or even defend well with Hazard, Mata, Moses, And Sturridge on the pitch at the same time. It's just too many pure attackers in the team.

Oh well... just hope Terry isn't out for the season.

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That's what I'm (and I think RDM) not sure of. Criticism of Torres , whilst deserved, has been slightly exaggerated. He still serves as an outlet for the midfield players helping with the passing around the final third, as well as occasionally holding up the ball.

As was the case today and on many other occasions he looses the ball too often. His passing accuracy of around 70% and constantly either getting dispossessed or passes leading to turnovers. Link up play is the thing that's being exaggerated about Torres.

You can't loose the ball over 50% of the time you get a pass in a match(like tonight) and than harp on about link up play.

I can't dispute that. I'll just repeat that we don't have any other true strikers.

I won't get into comparing their goal return purely because they have been in and out of the team and in and out of favour with the different managers we've had. Personally, i'm of the opinion that we'd be a poorer team with Sturridge up front than Torres, but then again i've never really rated Sturridge and I fail to see why so many people hold him in high regard. Playing the lone striker role when you're not scoring goals is difficult, yes we know he's not good enough when it comes to goal return, but I don't just base my opinion of a striker on goal return alone.

It's pretty clear to me that Torres is the no.1 striker until at least January even if he isn't playing well, Sturridge is a backup option at best who is probably going to leave anyway. I've accepted it, hence why I get bored of reading 'Torres this' and 'Torres that' after every single touch of the ball he has.

He might be leaving, doesn't mean that until he does we should not use him - you don't rate him fair enough. But Torres is worse goal scorer than Sturridge and at the moment we need someone up top to finish up chances setup by our midfield. Torres is on the wing; deep in midfield; or simply not busting a gut standing in one spot instead of trying to actually score far too often.

Right now points are key - we should concentrate on winning games rather than who is going to be sold and who is our main striker.

Torres has not done enough to be one and hence he should be dropped for a few games till we test alternatives.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

At least Hernandez gets a half or 30 minutes, unlike Sturridge who gets 5 minutes at the end. Parallel worlds really.

We don't need to sign two strikers at all.

Well if Danny stays, then no.

But do you think he will play more if we get Falcao?

Trick is that he needs play time, but he wont get him. And in this situation, he clearly isnt good enough. Chico is player that sits on bench all time and then scores goals. Danny is not such player. He will evolve only with regular playtime. And lets say we have Falcao and Danny. Falcao needs rest or worse, he falls out of form and who will play instead? Danny? We all have seen that he just cant score simple. And that is our weakness. Manchester clubs have Rvp and Aguero as their main strikers. If they dont show enough in game, or more pressure is needed, Dzeko, Tevez, Chico, Welbeck are send in game. Then they win. If we will play with Falcao and that wont be enough, Danny will change anything if we send him in game?

Every big club (except Barca) has at least two super strikers. We all know for ManC and ManU, but Bayern has Gomez and Mandzukic (and even Pizzaro), Real has Higuain and Benzema,...

IF Danny stays doesnt improve in next months, we will need two strikers. Falcao type and Jovetic type are necessary. Trust me. Having two top strikers will give more options, we could play both or they will be switching. Sure because of reputation and price tag, they will both play.

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He might be leaving, doesn't mean that until he does we should not use him - you don't rate him fair enough. But Torres is worse goal scorer than Sturridge and at the moment we need someone up top to finish up chances setup by our midfield. Torres is on the wing; deep in midfield; or simply not busting a gut standing in one spot instead of trying to actually score far too often.

Right now points are key - we should concentrate on winning games rather than who is going to be sold and who is our main striker.

Torres has not done enough to be one and hence he should be dropped for a few games till we test alternatives.

Perhaps his goal return is worse, but you could argue that Torres is a better option for the team, which is obviously what RDM thinks. I couldn't care less where the goals come from in the team personally, as long as the team is winning. And we are winning games, today was down to the whole team not taking their chances, not just Torres. Perhaps he should get dropped, but we all know he won't be. I've learned to accept it. Roll on January!

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wtf ? why is always oscar coming off? why don't you take hopeless hazard out ffs!

ffs edit!

don;t get me started on sturridge, his far worst then torres, our team is shit without drogba and we all know, we need somebody in that midfield to be the who wastes time when is time just shutup shop!

one other thing, hazard needs to step his game up! we ran out of hate comments for torres, he knows his shit.

[Greyco 143]

Would've been stupid to take Hazard off, he was creating the most of the front 4 today. Check the individual statistics on http://www.whoscored...elsea-Liverpool

The statistics on there usually give a clear picture who was playing good/bad.

Oscar was playing ok but was missing the cutting edge a bit in the final third.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Overall 3 points lost due to poor finishing really. Oscar and especially Mata had great chances. Also the fact we didn't play at our best again, shows we are a bit tired. Rest some players against West Brom. Tough game or not, at this rate our key players will be completly burnt out by the final third of the season.

Oh...And Falcao please...

[Ollie 4,400]

I never actually realised how much of a push it was from Suarez on Ramires for the goal, i was so pissed off i didn't even take notice of the replays or anything. Seeing it now on MOTD i can't believe it, it was so blatant. I'm in shock, again lol. Still pissed off at Mata though for not giving us that 2-0 lead before half time. We didn't play that bad today, just got a bit unlucky and missed chances. Just like against Man Utd, we failed to win because of the officials. They're all playing their part.

[Billy. 2,742]

only saw parts due to watching the game on my phone at work from what i saw we was kinda wasteful always knew that donkey would get a chance and he always seems to fins the net we only got ourselfs to blame.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Guys, we play just fine. We are in transition, but

some of you expect perfect play from all players every game...Like they are some serious PL title

contenders. So far, the results were great. We have young team with low experience, thats why we lose points vs big teams. They are bit tired and the only thing we realy NEED is striker. Hopefuly we get one in January.

Remember Bayern from 4/5 years ago? They were realy bad. Then they decided for more dynamic team, bought few players and that was it. Their defence of Boateng-Badstuber was realy joke (even bigger than ours). But they

played together few years, brought in some depth to the squad and now they are destroying everything. With that very same CB pair of Boateng and Badstuber, they havent sold them

or anything. The team started to play together, players understand each other (for CB pair, that is the most vital part; to know how to organise, comunicate,..)

The point is that this team is together for first year. What we see is already better than we (at least me. expected. Oscar and Hazard fit perfectly, they didnt dissapear and we are still second in league. The experience will come. But some of you guys are so impatient, spoiled. Wait two seasons and our team will do miracles.

Sure there are striker (probably 2), a CB, a LB (if Cole leaves), a 'xabi alonso esque' player needed, but they will all come eventualy. Right now, we need only one good striker.

We play great, if we had taken those chances every game, we would be almost world class. I just dont get it how can half of this forum members blame 90% of the players that they play shit, that they cant pass, defend, tackle,..every team makes mistakes, but thet

convert their chances in goals and win. United is shit, but thanks to strikers, they are winning. Simple.

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I never actually realised how much of a push it was from Suarez on Ramires for the goal, i was so pissed off i didn't even take notice of the replays or anything. Seeing it now on MOTD i can't believe it, it was so blatant. I'm in shock, again lol. Still pissed off at Mata though for not giving us that 2-0 lead before half time. We didn't play that bad today, just got a bit unlucky and missed chances. Just like against Man Utd, we failed to win because of the officials. They're all playing their part.

saw that push was obvious yet Rodgers thought the scum deserved to win ,,,,,respected him at Swansea NOT NOW

[Blue Armour 4,323]

As was the case today and on many other occasions he looses the ball too often. His passing accuracy of around 70% and constantly either getting dispossessed or passes leading to turnovers. Link up play is the thing that's being exaggerated about Torres.

You can't loose the ball over 50% of the time you get a pass in a match(like tonight) and than harp on about link up play.

He might be leaving, doesn't mean that until he does we should not use him - you don't rate him fair enough. But Torres is worse goal scorer than Sturridge and at the moment we need someone up top to finish up chances setup by our midfield. Torres is on the wing; deep in midfield; or simply not busting a gut standing in one spot instead of trying to actually score far too often.

Right now points are key - we should concentrate on winning games rather than who is going to be sold and who is our main striker.

Torres has not done enough to be one and hence he should be dropped for a few games till we test alternatives.

Even Didier used to lose the ball when it was played to him so that he could hold it up..and its not just that...With his off-the ball movement Torres also succeeds in drawing defenders to create space, that in very dangerous areas...

I know it looks like I'm trying to find excuses but I too would love it if he was replaced ASAP. I'm just trying to say that RDM might have his reasons for continuing to start Torres despite his poor record..

[Muzchap 8,966]

We need Busquets and Falcao and maybe Bony (being persuaded on his thread)

I know that's bet part of 100 million, but we need it lol

Sell Torrid and Studge for around 30 mill - not bad business

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This match was at least good as a reality check so we all can see that our team is still a work in progress and not a title contender one.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Even Didier used to lose the ball when it was played to him so that he could hold it up..and its not just that...With his off-the ball movement Torres also succeeds in drawing defenders to create space, that in very dangerous areas...

I know it looks like I'm trying to find excuses but I too would love it if he was replaced ASAP. I'm just trying to say that RDM might have his reasons for continuing to start Torres despite his poor record..

Yeah i think we see your point, and he did get past a couple of players, which was good, but we need more from him. People get on his back because it is the same most of the time. Which is why not many people are going on about mata missing his oppertunity, because he has proven what he can do, and i am sure he knows he had a bad game. Torres is still trying which is good, and the crowd is still behind him, and we must play the hand we were dealt...

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We need Busquets and Falcao and maybe Bony (being persuaded on his thread)

I know that's bet part of 100 million, but we need it lol

Sell Torrid and Studge for around 30 mill - not bad business

Not spoiled at all.