Does the board see what we see?

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@Las7, Look at Torres' dispossessing and turnovers figures from 2009 and 2010... Holy fuck, he scored 18 and lost the ball as many times!

Look at the amount of passes player per game, raw passing figures are irrelevant for strikers... Most strikers plays between 15 and 30 passes per game depending to their playing style, the role given in the pattern of play etc... Rates are irrelevant as well, there has to be enough passes to work on. You shall notice that the more there's game played, the more rates lows considering you don't make an excellent game everyweek

Look at Owen in 2009/2010: 195/215 successful passes: 90.7% comes ahead Mikel (1192/1328, 89.8%) and Scholes (1441/1616, 89.2%)... who is stupid enough to say that Sinclair (93.5%, 86/92) or Owen are better passer than the two latters?

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I get that we should be grateful for the team we have, but I don't think it's a big deal that some people want to keep improving...

the players and the club is above criticism for some fans.

nah. we can't "Criticise" the board atm.. We have turned over a profit (deducting a 67mil loss) and the season is going according to plan. Sure we've hit a few wobbles recently but no need to criticise the board. We had a wobble in September (Atletico, QPR, Juve) and recovered well. We have a good team with good depth and are playing quality football. a little porous at the back i suppose but the Board can't do anything about that. the torres persistence seems to put off ppl but apart from that, there is no reason to criticise the board

[Las7 951]

@Las7, Look at Torres' dispossessing and turnovers figures from 2009 and 2010... Holy fuck, he scored 18 and lost the ball as many times!

Holy fuck, he scores about one goal every 250 minutes while getting dispossessed.

Season 2009/2010 was the last season when Torres was genuinely World Class player - the point is that him getting dispossessed more often than Ba; RvP; Defoe; Suarez; Dzeko while having the lowest passing average out of those players, while people are banging on about his link up play is pointless. What's the point of link up play when 30% of your passes are lost; and when you dribble into opposition players and leave us exposed for counter attacks.

Look at the amount of passes player per game, raw passing figures are irrelevant for strikers... Most strikers plays between 15 and 30 passes per game depending to their playing style, the role given in the pattern of play etc... Rates are irrelevant as well, there has to be enough passes to work on. You shall notice that the more there's game played, the more rates lows considering you don't make an excellent game everyweek

Most strikers have higher average success rate than Torres; don't get dispossessed as easily without drawing a foul and don't allow opposition teams to easily take the ball off them and leave their team exposed on the counter attack. We have Hazard; Mata and Oscar we don't need to have a striker overestimating his capability - when he is obviously struggling at beating players.

For every time Torres returns into midfield or the wing to receive a ball and try to beat a player or pass to his team mate and he looses the ball. This leads to a counter attack by the opposition while one of our players was pulled out of position and took up the position Torres was supposed to be - leading the line.

To say that the figures I've posted are not a problem is ungenuine - especially when you have eyes and you have witnessed the countless times he looses the ball with ease while we are in transition. Currently this leads to major problems which teams who know how to play on the counter attack know how to make the most of.

Look at Owen in 2009/2010: 195/215 successful passes: 90.7% comes ahead Mikel (1192/1328, 89.8%) and Scholes (1441/1616, 89.2%)... who is stupid enough to say that Sinclair (93.5%, 86/92) or Owen are better passer than the two latters?

There is two reasons why Owen's stats are so high for 2009 to 2010 season.

-he doesn't take any risks with his passing when he is up top

-he played as a substitute or in lesser competition

So that particular season he had 20 substitute appearances out of 31 games, that would mean he comes on when an opposition team is already tired of pressing United and allow him more time on the ball to pick his pass. As a low risk passer it would also mean than when he doesn't see an obvious option he won't try anything fancy but return the ball and allow someone like Scholes to actually try to pass. That's absolutely fantastic for a striker to do - unless they have a passing range close to Berbatov's; Rooney's; RvP's; Totti's; Ibra's - a striker's job especially coming on as a substitute is to simply keep possession and make himself available in good positions. There is little point in Owen trying to play a Hollywood ball which allows the opposition team to regroup - rather he gives the ball to a better passer rather than taking unnecessary risks.

I have not watched enough of Sinclair's last season to comment but generally I have watched all our rivals whenever I had a chance in the last 10 seasons so I have a bit of insight regarding Owen's stats