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[themightyblue 443]

Based on outscoring Torres two years in a row maybe?

Based on outscoring Torres; Drogba and Anelka's combined tally while at Bolton?

Based on his footballing ability?

Based on being younger and having his best years ahead of him?

I don't know it annoys me, when people say Sturridge is unproven but yet forget that we have given Torres an automatic first team slot based on one and a half years of pain and misery for all parties involved.

Sturridge hasn't played as a main striker for us, those goals came from the wing which is completely different to the CF position. Often he'd just be taking on the opposition full back, whereas as the lone CF he has to contend with 2 CBs. A lot of Sturridge's goals also came from arriving late at the back post from the wing position, he won't be able to do that anymore as CF. Once again while at Bolton, played in a two striker system playing of Kevin Davies who'd act as a target man and win flick ons etc. This is what i'm trying to say, there is no evidence for saying 'Sturridge should be number 1 striker'. He should be given a chance which I think everybody wants and Di Matteo will do, but if we're going to base making him number 1 striker on football ability and being younger then it'd be an incredibly silly thing to do and luckily Robbie isn't doing this.#

I don't think they are outlandish claims. We have seen what sturridge can do at striker from his loan spell at bolton. We have also seen his impact he has made in his rare appearances as sub. Most of the time he makes more of an impact than torres had done in his previous 75 mins on the pitch. And we can't really do a comparsion without giving him a chance. Also, he has grabbed some goals which everyone is glad at, however we do have hazard mata oscar behind him. As a trio that is probably up there in the top 4 AM trios in the world. As a lone striker with that creativity behind you, you should really be scoring goals. For me, it is clear who atm is the better out and out striker.

Once again, playing as a striker at Bolton in a two striker system is completely different to playing as a lone striker at Chelsea and your telling rare sub appearances are enough to make somebody your lead striker? All i'm saying what Sturridge deserves is a chance, which he would have gotten by now if he hadn't been injured, but say he's number 1? Don't make me laugh mate

[Tomo 21,751]

My worry is the centre half's. Both Cahill and Luiz are fine with Terry, but im really not convinced on those two as a partnership.

[bababoom 4,478]

My worry is the centre half's. Both Cahill and Luiz are fine with Terry, but im really not convinced on those two as a partnership.

I'm more worried about Luiz than Cahill.

[Tomo 21,751]

I'm more worried about Luiz than Cahill.

Im worried about their partnership as a whole, both their worst performances in a Chelsea shirt have came when they have been pairing with each other.

[Land 331]

We won a CL final with Cahil-Luiz....

[Tomo 21,751]

We won a CL final with Cahil-Luiz....

Yes we did but Bayern still created numerous chances in that game.

There is also Athletico, Naples, United last season even last week at Spurs to a lesser extent where we were getting carved open for fun with this partnership.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

Height is important,End of story. As i said above Drogba headed out 90% of balls from corners and set pieces when he plays, so do i want my CF defending? if he can score and do both why the hell not? i get mad when people think they shouldnt be part of the overall team or pull their weight or just have OTHER responsibilities just because their a striker...

Did I say height isnt important? You however seem to argue that a reason to chose Torres ahead of Danny is his height. Really? That's just really laughable dude.

Question is: Is Torres doing both? Or; is he good at both defending and scoring? Clearly he is NOT. He is simply not a reliable striker that delivers. Simple as.

Also, its not like Danny never tracks back or anything like that. But ask yourself: If you got benched for most games, you burn to play as CF, you rarely get to taste it, but when u do, you deliver. ANd when u finally get the chance again: Would u want to score or defend? He fucking came on after being injured as sub and scored. Simple as.

Danny is better than Torres. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! And please stop it with this retarded defensive responsibilities crap. If Danny was made a regular CF starter he would also track back more because he would know that even if he doesnt score 2 goals, he get to start next game.

[TheCount 146]

Did I say height isnt important? You however seem to argue that a reason to chose Torres ahead of Danny is his height. Really? That's just really laughable dude.

Question is: Is Torres doing both? Or; is he good at both defending and scoring? Clearly he is NOT. He is simply not a reliable striker that delivers. Simple as.

Also, its not like Danny never tracks back or anything like that. But ask yourself: If you got benched for most games, you burn to play as CF, you rarely get to taste it, but when u do, you deliver. ANd when u finally get the chance again: Would u want to score or defend? He fucking came on after being injured as sub and scored. Simple as.

Danny is better than Torres. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! And please stop it with this retarded defensive responsibilities crap. If Danny was made a regular CF starter he would also track back more because he would know that even if he doesnt score 2 goals, he get to start next game.

No as i stated about 15 times height is just one factor of why i would choose Torres over sturridge and yes you did seem to think it isnt important at all,

He's not scoring as much as he should be thats undeniable, but he's still the better man for the job.

Sturridge rarely if ever tracks back also, he's liability you've said it yourself before he dosent, whether he thinks he's a striker or not isnt the point HIS job is to PLAY where he's TOLD, thats HIS JOB whatever HE THINKS is irrelevant. If he dosent like it then he should leave otherwise he should listen to his manager and perform where he is put to the best of his ability,

Finaly "Danny is better than Torres. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! And please stop it with this retarded defensive responsibilities crap. If Danny was made a regular CF starter he would also track back more because he would know that even if he doesnt score 2 goals, he get to start next game."

IF!! yes IF he was a regular starting forward he might track back and perform defensively, But he's not and just because you think in time he can be dosent mean he should start a very important game on the off chance he'll perform responsibilities in the future. Tomorrow isnt the time to be fucking around making changes and hoping for the best. Why would anyone play a player who has barely played this year, in one of the biggest games of the year? I mean its fucking gormless to even suggest it. I'll happily watch sturridge become a better player in non or less important games, but you want him to start with unknown form in a must win or at least draw match? jesus.

Edit: http://www1.skysport.../11668/8197628/ Take your argument up with RDM,

as i said before 1 goal ever 2 games was the basis for a quality striker before the messi/ronaldo media circus started

[YouNameIt 1,511]

No as i stated about 15 times height is just one factor of why i would choose Torres over sturridge and yes you did seem to think it isnt important at all,

He's not scoring as much as he should be thats undeniable, but he's still the better man for the job.

Sturridge rarely if ever tracks back also, he's liability you've said it yourself before he dosent, whether he thinks he's a striker or not isnt the point HIS job is to PLAY where he's TOLD, thats HIS JOB whatever HE THINKS is irrelevant. If he dosent like it then he should leave otherwise he should listen to his manager and perform where he is put to the best of his ability,

Finaly "Danny is better than Torres. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! And please stop it with this retarded defensive responsibilities crap. If Danny was made a regular CF starter he would also track back more because he would know that even if he doesnt score 2 goals, he get to start next game."

IF!! yes IF he was a regular starting forward he might track back and perform defensively, But he's not and just because you think in time he can be dosent mean he should start a very important game on the off chance he'll perform responsibilities in the future. Tomorrow isnt the time to be fucking around making changes and hoping for the best. Why would anyone play a player who has barely played this year, in one of the biggest games of the year? I mean its fucking gormless to even suggest it. I'll happily watch sturridge become a better player in non or less important games, but you want him to start with unknown form in a must win or at least draw match? jesus.

Edit: http://www1.skysport.../11668/8197628/ Take your argument up with RDM,

as i said before 1 goal ever 2 games was the basis for a quality striker before the messi/ronaldo media circus started

you are just a perfect example of a person believing in anything you read.

Do u honestly think RDM would go out and say "I dont support Torres". Are you bloody serious or are you just trolling me right now?

And what do you, or anyone of us, know about what Dannys instructions are when he is on the pitch? maybe he isnt supposed to track back as much as torres does? Like can we stop acting as if we know what is going on behind the scenes and just look at facts.

1. Torres sucks.

2. We only got 1 option. A young, hungry and talentful striker that hasnt been given the chance, but when he has: hes done well.

[TheCount 146]

you are just a perfect example of a person believing in anything you read.

Do u honestly think RDM would go out and say "I dont support Torres". Are you bloody serious or are you just trolling me right now?

And what do you, or anyone of us, know about what Dannys instructions are when he is on the pitch? maybe he isnt supposed to track back as much as torres does? Like can we stop acting as if we know what is going on behind the scenes and just look at facts.

1. Torres sucks.

2. We only got 1 option. A young, hungry and talentful striker that hasnt been given the chance, but when he has: hes done well.

I like how you ignored all my points, anyway, i'll reply one last time

We can assume RDM wants him to track back, as you said yourself once, he was droped for not tracking back, so yes we can assume thats what he has to do, since every other player in his position has to do that.

Ok moving on, No i dont belive everything i read, funny i think you do tho since the only people who ever hyped sturridge up this much was the english media also, I put that their as little sign off. My points are MY own, yanno the ones i listed above and you ignored.

If you honestly think RDM should start a player who has barely played, in one of the biggest games of the year over a player who has played all our games this year on ifs and buts, then thats fine, but fuck i am glad your not in charge.

Also 1 goal every 2 games has always been a good stat.

Dunno why im bothering tho, you have a chip on your shoulder about Torres, and border on the fanatical for sturridge..

[didierforever 7,349]

I'll happily watch sturridge become a better player in non or less important games, but you want him to start with unknown form in a must win or at least draw match? jesus.

sturridge's unknown form is a better gamble than torres' known "form"(if that is what u ll call it).

[Azpinator 2,325]

I don't think we should be so pessimistic about it, this time we don't have to be worried about players like Bosingwa or Malouda, we have only Torres but he could do something valuable despite being shit and all.. I hope Marin plays in the 2nd half if we were winning... Would love to see some of this again:

[TheCount 146]

sturridge's unknown form is a better gamble than torres' known "form"(if that is what u ll call it).

Long answer short, no.

[dejavuetall 1]

United hav'nt played the new chelsea yet. Spurs have tasted our magic. I think our defence can manage United, but can their's hold up our sensations? Hazard_oscar_mata.

[LucasRiver 31]

Come on Blues, i can expect 2-0 for chelsea.

This Sunday i have two very important games, Chelsea - Manchenster and River Plate - Boca Juniors. Two derbys, i can't wait to see them

[Strike 7,489]

What the hell is wrong with people, so defending means 11 behind the ball? cant just defend well and attack well anymore? has to be one or other ? i really dont know anymore can a team not be good at everything anymore? instead of just being attacking or defending? yanno before these "barca days" where if you dont play tika taka teams never have the ball on the ground and defending is a dirty word, teams did a bit of everything and were more balanced.

Regardless of if Torres is "good" at defensive headers and attacking or not, he's better then sturridge in the air thats for sure, so he should be picked. Tomorrow is not the day to take a chance on if sturridge should play or not.

Read above, mate. i didn't say that defending is 11 men behind the ball and you are actually making the same point i made in a previous post. tomorrow is not the day to start sturridge in attack

[Henrique 9,133]

I would be happy with a draw.

[Henrique 9,133]

We won a CL final with Cahil-Luiz....

yeah, defending with 11 players.

[TheCount 146]

yeah, defending with 11 players.

Rather win it defending with 11 then loose attacking with 10.....

We won it fair and square, Cahill and Luiz need time to gel anyway, tho i think everyone would rather Terry on the field tomorrow.

[Henrique 9,133]

My worry is the centre half's. Both Cahill and Luiz are fine with Terry, but im really not convinced on those two as a partnership.

Same here. Cahill is an avarage CB, despite his goals, for me he is a good squad player and no more than that, I dont know how some people even say he should be our next captain.

Cahill sucks when he ´plays outside the box, and if we play with MHO in the mid, and think we have a lot to be worried about, spcially with a team with great attacking players. I dont trust in Cahill + Luiz at all.

I'm almost sure RDM wont start the 3 guys in the mid.