Oscar

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Oscar has no reason to be dropped. He played well vs Swansea.

If you have watched us this season playing well is not a prerequisite for getting into the match day squad.

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I know thibo's been out and red carded, etc. However, you really cannot disagree with the impact Oscar has on the team both going forward and defensively.

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That influenced there decision, yeah but he has improved them. He is a permanent starter. I knew it before the season started that he was going to walk in their team. City are the best team in the league right now and they look complete but it is ironic that he would not have walked into ours or Arsenal's team. You made a point of saying he would struggle to get in to better teams. So I used Douglas Costa as an example who is not German and before the season started, many people would have said he is inferior to Coutinho and look he starts regularly for arguably the best team in the world. Believe me, you only have to look at the comments on Douglas Costa when he was linked with us to see what people thought of him.

I don't look at goals and assists only. I look at general performance. Same reason why I value Willian. Coutinho was their best player by far last season. You are one of a few who think he is a average player and was poor last season. Look at what other pundits had to say of him. Lambert was an example of the type of players he was playing with. Sturridge could not keep fit, Suarez was gone, Balotelli is Balotelli and then they had the likes of Borini, LOL. Sterling and even Coutinho a couple times IIRC had to be used as a striker because the fellow strikers were so poor. If Coutinho was so poor for the majority of the season like you make out why was he in the team of the season? Even some of the choices may have been debatable I think it is obvious to see from that, that he had an excellent spell at some point last season. Was better than Oscar, that is for sure.

Once again you look at goals and assists too much. Sterling has improved City a lot. You are just looking at stats. His movement and pace has allowed Silva to excel even more as he gets much more time on the ball. If they get too close to Silva, then Sterling is given more space to roam and vice versa they get too close to Sterling, Silva is given more space to roam in to. Sterling has a goal and assist to his name but he has been effective.Not brilliant. West Brom, he caused them all sort of problems but just did not score. Against us, caused Ivanovic problems after problems and against Everton I thought he was one of their best players. Against Watford, he was given MOTM. His injection of pace is a huge reason they are wiping teams off the floor so far.

Coutinho has not even been given the same amount of time Oscar has been given for Brazil so that is not even fair. You are actually coming across hypocritical mate. You ignored Costa's international form and stated he was the second best striker in the world (not that I ridiculed your point as I believe he is in top 5) yet you use Coutinho's form for Brazil to say he is a bad player. Hypocrisy at it's best. Especially as Costa has had more starts than Coutinho for his country yet has only managed 1 goal and Spain have played some really average teams. So Costa's form at international is not great but that is excused however because Coutinho does not perform at international stage that makes him a bad player? Come on, that is really hypocritical.

You look at general performance, but your id is STATs...

The irony.

Few posters including myself, already stated coutinho inconsistency last season, yet you are the only one to say he played consistently....

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You look at general performance, but your id is STATs...

The irony.

Few posters including myself, already stated coutinho inconsistency last season, yet you are the only one to say he played consistently....

Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL.

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Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL.

JT? WOW....

He also voted for Juan Mata.

SO, that says a lot. and even the dailymail questioned his thinking and the fact neither Spainards make TOTY says a lot about english media.

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JT? WOW....

He also voted for Juan Mata.

SO, that says a lot. and even the dailymail questioned his thinking and the fact neither Spainards make TOTY says a lot about english media.

You said I am the only one. I disproved you and now you are changing the subject. Don't make bullshit claims and when I prove you wrong you change the subject. Point is I am not the only one who thought Coutinho had a good season like you first said.

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You said I am the only one. I disproved you and now you are changing the subject. Don't make bullshit claims and when I prove you wrong you change the subject. Point is I am not the only one who thought Coutinho had a good season like you first said.

Few posters including myself= I guess John Terry posts on talkchelsea...

Can i have his id? I want him to autograph my kit

Also, you really don't understand why JT picked Coutinho did you?

"There’s no way Terry can seriously believe Coutinho has been better than De Gea and Kane this season! There is more to it than meets the eye," wrote Carragher in theDaily Mail.

"John, I am almost certain, will have gone around Chelsea’s dressing room when the ballot papers came in and told the squad under no circumstances should they vote for De Gea or Kane, who are Hazard’s biggest challengers."

The Sky Sports pundit claims the reason he is aware of the tactics behind the voting for the award is that he was once involved in it himself.

He added: "I did exactly the same thing in 2006 when Steven Gerrard won! I was Liverpool’s PFA representative back then and I made it clear that, for Stevie to win, nobody should vote for Thierry Henry or Frank Lampard!"

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Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL.

LOL Terry voted Coutinho POTY because he knew Coutinho had no chance of winning it, it was a tactical vote JT was never going to vote for Sanchez, De Gea or Kane he had to vote for someone who was just there to make up the numbers.

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I thought this was the Oscar thread.

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Few posters including myself= I guess John Terry posts on talkchelsea...

Can i have his id? I want him to autograph my kit

Also, you really don't understand why JT picked Coutinho did you?

"There’s no way Terry can seriously believe Coutinho has been better than De Gea and Kane this season! There is more to it than meets the eye," wrote Carragher in theDaily Mail.

"John, I am almost certain, will have gone around Chelsea’s dressing room when the ballot papers came in and told the squad under no circumstances should they vote for De Gea or Kane, who are Hazard’s biggest challengers."

The Sky Sports pundit claims the reason he is aware of the tactics behind the voting for the award is that he was once involved in it himself.

He added: "I did exactly the same thing in 2006 when Steven Gerrard won! I was Liverpool’s PFA representative back then and I made it clear that, for Stevie to win, nobody should vote for Thierry Henry or Frank Lampard!"

LOL Terry voted Coutinho POTY because he knew Coutinho had no chance of winning it, it was a tactical vote JT was never going to vote for Sanchez, De Gea or Kane he had to vote for someone who was just there to make up the numbers.

Yes, I don't think Terry believed Coutinho was POTY. He thought it was Hazard then Sanchez or Kane probably but he did not just say Coutinho for the sake of it. Why not just say Ozil, Henderson, Lukaku ffs. He said a player that would not draw too much controversy if he said it because most people would respect the fact that Coutinho had a good season which is why there was not much people who called id ludicrous. Had he said a player like Henderson, everyone would have ridiculed it. Oscar, you really are having a laugh if you think I am one of the only ones to think he had a very good season.

Like I said earlier, I don't know why people keep brining this up. This is Oscar's thread and we are going to have to agree to disagree and nothing you lot say will change my view. Sorely missed by Liverpool today.

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Yes, I don't think Terry believed Coutinho was POTY. He thought it was Hazard then Sanchez or Kane probably but he did not just say Coutinho for the sake of it. Why not just say Ozil, Henderson, Lukaku ffs. He said a player that would not draw too much controversy if he said it because most people would respect the fact that Coutinho had a good season which is why there was not much people who called id ludicrous. Had he said a player like Henderson, everyone would have ridiculed it. Oscar, you really are having a laugh if you think I am one of the only ones to think he had a very good season.

Like I said earlier, I don't know why people keep brining this up. This is Oscar's thread and we are going to have to agree to disagree and nothing you lot say will change my view. Sorely missed by Liverpool today.

He voted for Mane, mata, coutinho and his english mate sterling.

4 guys he tactically voted for.....So, guys like Cesc, matic, hazard and other teammates could get on the team without much competition, which I'm sure a ton of people do now a days in football...

He didn't vote for Silva, Santi, Morgan S, sanchez, etc... I wonder why?

Liverpool has scored 2 goals in 4 games with Coutinho starting....

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He voted for Mane, mata, coutinho and his english mate sterling.

4 guys he tactically voted for.....So, guys like Cesc, matic, hazard and other teammates could get on the team without much competition, which I'm sure a ton of people do now a days in football...

He didn't vote for Silva, Santi, Morgan S, sanchez, etc... I wonder why?

Liverpool has scored 2 goals in 4 games with Coutinho starting....

Stop looking at stats. Bournemouth, did not watch it but from what I read, he and Benteke were the only ones who stood out in a game where the team was poor.Against Stoke he won that game on his own. Arsenal was the best player on the pitch imo and Cech made a wonder save for him. WHU he had a bad game. He has been good so far. Our players have not been good at all so we should not even go for. Anyway I am done. Don't bring this back up to me please. Doing my head in now.

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Stop looking at stats. Bournemouth, did not watch it but from what I read, he and Benteke were the only ones who stood out in a game where the team was poor.Against Stoke he won that game on his own. Arsenal was the best player on the pitch imo and Cech made a wonder save for him. WHU he had a bad game. He has been good so far. Our players have not been good at all so we should not even go for. Anyway I am done. Don't bring this back up to me please. Doing my head in now.

First game of the season he was terrrible and BR was going to sub him out, but didn't and he scored the winner.

Bournemouth, Liverpool was lucky to come out with a win and benteke's goal should of been disallowed.

Arsenal I said Liverpool as a whole were better.

West ham, he also sucked.

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Seems to be back training with the team with a support around his knee. Hopefully will be back in action soon.

[LAM09 6,833]

Needs to replace Cesc as soon as.

[Barbara 15,149]

I thought this was the Oscar thread.

It is. Oscar is a phenomenon... every average player and their mother are discussed in his thread and he's discussed in every other player's thread as well. If they aren't hating on him, they're praising some third level player... There are some posters that are fair, but in general, it's all just petty discussion here and everywhere.

[yuvala 2,167]

What's up with the injury ?

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It is. Oscar is a phenomenon... every average player and their mother are discussed in his thread and he's discussed in every other player's thread as well. If they aren't hating on him, they're praising some third level player... There are some posters that are fair, but in general, it's all just petty discussion here and everywhere.

In a bygone era it was Jon Obi Mikel's thread in the era before that it was Fernando Torres.