GhanaBoy 104 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Willian= the best Chelsea player in the last 2 months...For the 3rd year running...and in those two months how many goals and assist? ...do you wonder why teams focus their full attention on hazard, its all because willian is impotent. Imagine if our wings were occupied by hazard and for argument sake robben , no opposition could afford to focus on our eden hazard so much. Ask yourself if hazard's side is covered by three/four opposition players why isn't willian taking this opportunity to impact/effect the game? And i hate his stop/slowing down of our play ahhhh!!PS I believe next year that right wing issue will be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 and in those two months how many goals and assist? ...do you wonder why teams focus their full attention on hazard, its all because willian is impotent. Imagine if our wings were occupied by hazard and for argument sake robben , no opposition could afford to focus on our eden hazard so much. Ask yourself if hazard's side is covered by three/four opposition players why isn't willian taking this opportunity to impact/effect the game? And i hate his stop/slowing down of our play ahhhh!!PS I believe next year that right wing issue will be fixed.Don't know exactly but I remember assist to Hazard goal against Villa, 89th min winner against Everton...etc I agree he has been impotent for the majority of this season but ever since the Cuadrado rumor started and he came to the club he has been on top form both offensively and defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhanaBoy 104 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Don't know exactly but I remember assist to Hazard goal against Villa, 89th min winner against Everton...etc I agree he has been impotent for the majority of this season but ever since the Cuadrado rumor started and he came to the club he has been on top form both offensively and defensively.so you quote two momments in 2 MONTHS!!...end of CFC888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 is Oscar better than Mata ,,, I don't know . Is he better than KDB ..I dont think so but WHAT I do know is that they are not here and he IS. THats why I back him 100% GhanaBoy, pgleo, Blue Armour and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think what some people expect from Oscar is not what he offers to the team.exactly!Ironically, many here complain about Oscar general contribution in open play and yet I was never impressed by our former #8 general contribution. Never thought Lampard was particularly quick, defended well enough, or linked up play for an AM. He was a player who won games by scoring goals in key moments. He always struggled for England because they expected him to be a creative source, and he never could - neither could Gerrard.Jose on Lampard,"Yes, of course [he's one of the best players I've managed]. A midfielder player doesn’t score so many goals. It’s as simple as that and I think his career was based on an unbelievable number of goals he scored from midfield. That made him a unique player because I had so many good midfield players but a player to score this number of goals is amazing." OhForAGreavsie and Spike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 lol, somehow Willian's 3-4 very good matches recently were converted in two months... the things I read in people's post quoting other people (because obviously I can't read the originals).Oscar has a lot of goals on him, and maybe he could develop into the player that will earn his place in a team - Chelsea or other - because of it. Either way he needs to produce more than he has. CFC888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 then how would you describe willian? PS he is truly a passengerThe same willian who has been our best player for a month? Now forget about month, tell me a couple of matches this season when oscar was our best player. A simple question- what is oscar's role in this team? What was oscar's role against burnley? And please don't say "providing balance and defensive stability". The same oscar who supposedly does all the hard work behind the scenes and is so unimaginably critical to our system of play is dropped like a sack of potatoes in most big matches when we actually need defensive stability and balance. You go on to ask how many goals and assists willian has provided? Fair enough, not many. But when you actually look at our matches and the performances, you can easily see how much more influential willian has been than oscar. Also stats can be very misleading. For eg- the first goal against newcastle. The goal was scored by oscar (a tap in) and assisted by iva but it was courtesy of willian's quick thinking. That is not reflected in your stats. To summarise, what does Oscar provide us? Creativity? Hell no. Improves our general play? LOL. some of his first touches and passes embarass ramires. He probably loses the ball more than any other player in the team despite not even teying dribbles past players like hazard or trying for that perfect ball like cesc. Workrate? Yes he does provide us with that in abundance but if he is in the team solely for that purpose, I would rather have rambo give us that. So you see, he is a proper passenger. stroey and laura90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 lol, somehow Willian's 3-4 very good matches recently were converted in two months... the things I read in people's post quoting other people (because obviously I can't read the originals).Oscar has a lot of goals on him, and maybe he could develop into the player that will earn his place in a team - Chelsea or other - because of it. Either way he needs to produce more than he has.That's how it's always been. When the player is on form 4 good games becomes two months or more, if he is performing badly then 4-5 good months become 1 or 2 good games in the entire season and so on. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 That's how it's always been. When the player is on form 4 good games becomes two months or more, if he is performing badly then 4-5 good months become 1 or 2 good games in the entire season and so on.OT - I miss you so much... not only on the forum, but privately. Don't be a stranger, love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemmeBorrowThat 124 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think the main issue with Oscar is that he is a swiss army knife. Does a variety of things well but doesn't excel at any one task. If he wasn't so slight of build he'd probably be best as a CM and not as an attacking mid. When Oscar first arrived here I pretty much thought of him as such. Now with that being said....I think he is what he is. There is room for improvement but with his style of play its more so fine tuning than an outright jump to another level. The Skipper and Stingray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 With the way Coutinho is peforming right now, Oscar is going to need start stepping up his performances if he wants his place in the Brazil XI. Coutinho been nothing short of brilliant recently. didierforever and Vybz Kartel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 We bought the wrong Brazilian, Coutinho what a player!!!!!!!! stroey and lionsden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Or more like mourinho place his trust in the wrong player. Now we know it should have been kdb. Oh well mourinho can rectify his mistake by selling him this summer. Unless he keeps him around like Ramires and mikel for their defensive contributions.... laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Or more like mourinho place his trust in the wrong player.Now we know it should have been kdb.Oh well mourinho can rectify his mistake by selling him this summer.Unless he keeps him around like Ramires and mikel for their defensive contributions....The reason Kevin left had absolutely nothing with Oscar. Zero. Mata, yes, Mourinho chose him over Oscar.Kevin was offloaded for completely different reasons - one of them, José didn't like how he trained and even sent him to the U-21.Also, a lot has been said between how suitable Kevin was here and how suitable he is on Wolfsburg.It never ceases to amaze me how people have such simplistic approaches on football and ignore so many factors.We could do an upgrade to Oscar, maybe we will, it has nothing to do with Kevin and it won't be Philippe Coutinho. CFC888, Muzchap and Spike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Credit to Coutinho today, but no need a 'sh*t we have Oscar, we should buy Coutinho, we buy the wrong no 10 ffs' wankfest imo CFC888, Spike and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Credit to Coutinho today, but no need a 'sh*t we have Oscar, we should buy Coutinho, we buy the wrong no 10 ffs' wankfest imohun, members here are just as predictable as Arsenal on UCL and as dramatic as Mexican soap operas. Get used to it, will do you well.I read some comments with a smile on the face because I always expect them... but I must admit some of them surprise me - such as the KdB one, as even with all the predictability and drama and spoiled behavior, I didn't see someone relating Oscar to Kevin's departure. I mean, that's the same as relating Word War II to Brazilian's carnival, lol. RoyalBlues, iseah100 and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 hun, members here are just as predictable as Arsenal on UCL and as dramatic as Mexican soap operas. Get used to it, will do you well.I read some comments with a smile on the face because I always expect them... but I must admit some of them surprise me - such as the KdB one, as even with all the predictability and drama and spoiled behavior, I didn't see someone relating Oscar to Kevin's departure. I mean, that's the same as relating Word War II to Brazilian's carnival, lol.Lol, the next we heard will be we sold and loaned the wrong players (Schurrle and Salah), it should be Oscar. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im quite sure we will be in for a new nr.10 or a B2B player during the summer. Mourinho still doesn't trust Oscar in the big matches for almost 2 years now. stroey and Sir Mikel OBE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im quite sure we will be in for a new nr.10 or a B2B player during the summer. Mourinho still doesn't trust Oscar in the big matches for almost 2 years now.you've got the reasoning backwards imo.If not even a defensive #10 makes the lineup when Mou plays big teams, there's no way in hell we'll be getting a more creative (and therefore less defensive) #10.It's not only about Oscar's shortcomings - which he has - but it's mainly Mourinho's fear of deploying a more offensive lineup in big games.In some of our big games at home in the last two seasons he played Oscar... not many, but still some. Sir Mikel OBE, CFC888 and Styles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 SMH the chosen one isnt even trusted in big games lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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