John Mikel Obi, the keystone

[zolayes 14,489]

don't waste time talking to sloth ,,,he is paranoid about Mikel

[Kojo 4,676]

I really like reading you about Mikel, you get even more laughables points everytime. Problem with you or others is that when you aren't able to see facts (not even a matter of what you prefer, your view of the game etc...) so the figures is the only option left.

Statistically Mikel managed a better season than Romeu, even being far from his best level (level he showed in the conquest of every trophy won since he's a regular starter).

Romeu is a poor tackler, he barely wins anything in the air, he's uneasy under pressure, his movements aren't good on phasis when we distribute from the back. Above all, he wants to be creative whereas the role is given allows zero creativity

About the Atletico game, your comments are ridiculous. What about the amount of defensive work from Mata, Hazard etc... when the ball is lost? When we haven't the ball we're ridiculously outnumbered in the center of the field.

When we have the ball we haven't any passing choices. You can't keep the ball with only two players, everytime you need to make triangles on the pitch. Hazard is closed into the last 1/3 (I think that's instructions when he plays central). Mata can't keep the ball under pressure and then becomes too creative (what explains why Silva's ahead of him with Spain NT).

Lampard and Mikel are cunts, they only pass to each others or to the defenders. How can you blame them and not the cadaveric front 3 in terms of off the ball movements ?

Alright then Graham Carr, and Hazard and Mata are usually the only players who stick up field, i don't expect much work rate to come from them in the future. Mikel should be doing his job and he doesn't, he's had shit games so far besides the Newcastle games this season, 4 games, you can include pre season as well, when he couldn't even mark american footballers.

But yeah go on go make another giant post full of bull shit.

[SeB 1,281]

Alright then Graham Carr, and Hazard and Mata are usually the only players who stick up field, i don't expect much work rate to come from them in the future. Mikel should be doing his job and he doesn't, he's had shit games so far besides the Newcastle games this season, 4 games, you can include pre season as well, when he couldn't even mark american footballers.

But yeah go on go make another giant post full of bull shit.

Haha you miss the schools days don't you? Fat lad in the goal and scapegoat staying at the back, everyone else forward? The guy at the back should defend on his own?

I love your view from the game, even if I know we won't ever agree on anything Mikel-related, I can't help replying you

[Justin_3d 1,140]

People slating Mikel???

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That is not right, people should be slating Torres all the time!

[Kojo 4,676]

Haha you miss the schools days don't you? Fat lad in the goal and scapegoat staying at the back, everyone else forward? The guy at the back should defend on his own?

I love your view from the game, even if I know we won't ever agree on anything Mikel-related, I can't help replying you

And what is your view exactly?, right down about 2000 words every post about bull shit?.

Your scouting isn't even that accurate either, you said Gary Cahill is below average and would never make it in our team, but guess what. And if i can remember correctly you also slated David Wheater, who is actually a solid defender, he was awesome against us when we beat them 3-0, we couldn't score for ages because of him.

Go on thinking your Graham Carr though and then insulting me about my opinion on Mikel, laughable. I love how you went on about it's Hazards and Mata's fault in the Atletico game, funny that who is the defensive midfielder there?.

The defence was isolated from the midfield, it was a fucking joke, Falcao is the best striker in the world for me, you cannot give him that much space or he will punish you, he had acres of space, especially on his 2nd goal. No one could close him down because Mikel was no where to be seen, that's why we lost by a huge number, and Falcao should've scored 5 at least. It's a joke, positioning is awful, against Wigan last season Bertrand had to take the gamble of closing Diame down because Mikel was no where to be seen he was all the way up the field. He's way too slow, last season also against Valencia home it was a joke, midfield was running riots and he couldn't keep up with anyone, that Canales was having a field day with him.

And not to mention pre season that MLS Team's 2nd goal, lmao where was Mikel there marking the man on the edge of the box?, this is against MLS players too. He doesn't have an aggresive bone in his body also, but what ever don't respect my argument just try and make fun of it, see who is laughing in the end.

[Kojo 4,676]

I put in bold the previous post where you talked about other fans.

And Mikel doesn't play just because we have no one else - he plays because several Chelsea managers have deemed him good enough for this football club - whether as reliable backup or as a starter.

Was going to ignore the post but just to let you know, you still didn't point out where i said 'i care what fans think'. I was pointing out there is a reason why they say he's awful and only some Chelsea fans say he's great, tinted glasses - OFF please.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Was going to ignore the post but just to let you know, you still didn't point out where i said 'i care what fans think'. I was pointing out there is a reason why they say he's awful and only some Chelsea fans say he's great, tinted glasses - OFF please.

You were citing other fans to support your point, so you obviously care about what they have to say, no?

[Kojo 4,676]

You were citing other fans to support your point, so you obviously care about what they have to say, no?

That's not caring, that's just pointing something out what I've noticed. If i cared i would be crying because damn they hate Chelsea and Mikel. But they do have a point, Mikel is shit and theirs a reason why no one else rates him, that is my point. If anyone's ever wondered that anyway, as where David Luiz I've seen many say he will be class in some time.

[Amblève. 4,995]

But yeah go on go make another giant post full of bull shit.

Oh, the irony...

[SeB 1,281]

And what is your view exactly?, right down about 2000 words every post about bull shit?.

Your scouting isn't even that accurate either, you said Gary Cahill is below average and would never make it in our team, but guess what. And if i can remember correctly you also slated David Wheater, who is actually a solid defender, he was awesome against us when we beat them 3-0, we couldn't score for ages because of him.

Go on thinking your Graham Carr though and then insulting me about my opinion on Mikel, laughable. I love how you went on about it's Hazards and Mata's fault in the Atletico game, funny that who is the defensive midfielder there?.

The defence was isolated from the midfield, it was a fucking joke, Falcao is the best striker in the world for me, you cannot give him that much space or he will punish you, he had acres of space, especially on his 2nd goal. No one could close him down because Mikel was no where to be seen, that's why we lost by a huge number, and Falcao should've scored 5 at least. It's a joke, positioning is awful, against Wigan last season Bertrand had to take the gamble of closing Diame down because Mikel was no where to be seen he was all the way up the field. He's way too slow, last season also against Valencia home it was a joke, midfield was running riots and he couldn't keep up with anyone, that Canales was having a field day with him.

And not to mention pre season that MLS Team's 2nd goal, lmao where was Mikel there marking the man on the edge of the box?, this is against MLS players too. He doesn't have an aggresive bone in his body also, but what ever don't respect my argument just try and make fun of it, see who is laughing in the end.

First of all I don't pretend to be a scout, I just give my opinion.

What I said on Cahill is that he's a decent defender, commited and strong in 1vs1 challenges but that tactically he was poor (covering his full back) and has a poor distribution. I don't know what's wrong in there.

I never said he won't make it there either, when he came he was a 3rd choice CB

You really seem to have reading or understanding issues as well, I said that I did feel Wheater stronger than Cahill in his man on man challenges when he came to Bolton in January 2011. If that's slating, well, yes, if you want

On Atletico's 2nd goal, no mention about Luiz trying an interception and defending front to his own goal? And Cole's ballet moves to "prevent" a shot? No, that's Mikel's fault, a players is bombing in his back and he doesn't see him coming (as usual, he's used to that) and then the defense is a strainer and nobody gives a fuck ?

I don't know who the fuck is Graham Carr by the way.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

the role he is given allows zero creativity

Thank you! If only half the fans understood that we wouldn't even be having these discussions. The problem is our fans want a DM that plays accurate 50 yards pass every time he's on the ball and score 10 goals a season. Keeping the ball is very underrated among fans.

But yeah go on go make another giant post full of bull shit.

Sloth, you're mostly a decent poster but sometimes you make absolutely no sense. How is his post 'bullshit' when it got 9 likes in about 12 hours while your post got only one? Are you saying that everyone talks bullshit except you?

[Kojo 4,676]

Sloth, you're mostly a decent poster but sometimes you make absolutely no sense. How is his post 'bullshit' when it got 9 likes in about 12 hours while your post got only one? Are you saying that everyone talks bullshit except you?

That post is bull shit, because likes mean nothing, plus a lot of people disagree with me on my opinion on Mikel because they think i'm just a controversial bastard and probably some murderer in real life, nothing but a bunch of haters who do nothing but stalk me on this forum.

[SeB 1,281]

Everyone's the right to have his own opinion (regardless if that's based on facts or not, this is credibility) but you should wonder why he's been a starter for every manager since 2008.

And please don't reply "we haven't anyone else to put there". In such a key part of the field, if Mikel wasn't good enough he'd have been replaced for ages.

[Kojo 4,676]

Everyone's the right to have his own opinion (regardless if that's based on facts or not, this is credibility) but you should wonder why he's been a starter for every manager since 2008.

And please don't reply "we haven't anyone else to put there". In such a key part of the field, if Mikel wasn't good enough he'd have been replaced for ages.

Salomon Kalou?... constantly played for years and was never good enough. Because we don't have long term managers we always have different ideas when they come into the squad, and sometimes they don't get the time to get rid of players and sign new players or see if they can assess them the next season.

Mikel is a poor player, all you're doing is making up poor excuses there, it's like Andy Carroll you're just going to tell me that he's good because he works hard?, not enough for me. You need quality, Mikel lacks it, i haven't just been jumping on his back recently either, I've been saying this last season even when he was on form, check my 'new season' thread, i also said Lampard cannot play in double pivot next season, everyone who replied to that disagreed, and look now.

Not saying I'm right, but i do think Mikel lacks the quality to be our defensive midfielder, Falcao had way too much space the defense where relying on there 5th man don't even dare say Mikel played no part in it. Because never in my life have i seen a team give a world class striker that much space, usually they are always heavily man marked and watched all the time, the quality to still score goals however is what makes them world class with all the pressure and the other team trying to mark them out of the game.

It reminded me of the 5-3 to Arsenal last season, every time they went forward they looked really close to scoring, not good enough. Mikel has done this 9/10 times in his Chelsea career I'm not joking, but we make up these excuses all the time, i dread it when we play Arsenal i really do. But if you're right and Mikel turns out good then fair play to you, maybe you had me on this one, but at the moment i really doubt that as he doesn't look like he can improve at all.

[Leif 6,006]

Bosingwa made over 100 appearances for us.

Was he good enough? No.

The number of appearances a player makes for a club, regardless of how many managers have been in, does not reflect the importance that player has/doesn't have to their team.

I'm still open to someone convincing me that Mikel is good enough for us, but I just personally feel he's mediocre at this point.