The Illuminati Thread

[capriccioso 2,545]

In fact, I want to go further on this because this has become about the Palestinian/Israel conflict but that's not what bothered me about the original post. Choulou's original offensive post was about Jewish control over governments, finance, and media. If you believe that only people living in the area under discussion can know about certain topics, what the hell can a Lebanese person know about Jews? There are literally no Jews in Lebanon. There is no Jewish control over anything in Lebanon. By your own logic, Choulo knows nothing about this and has no right to write about it.

Also, about the absurdity of needing to live in a place and time to understand it. The Independent newspaper in England did a feature on their 10 best history books. You know how many were written by people who lived in the period and country of which they were writing? None. Not one. The best book on the American Civil War is generally thought to be "The Battle Cry of Freedom" written over 100 years after the war ended. The most important book of Roman history "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" was written by Edward Gibbon in the18th century in England. Darwin's Origin of the Species is a scientific history of the world, but since he wasn't alive thousands of years ago in the primordial ooze, his work should be dismissed. Etc...There are history books written by people living through period and some of them amazing (Churchill's Second World War books being prime examples but then again Churchill was privy to rather a great deal of inside information) but history is generally retrospective.

Also, I don't understand how you can go on and on about Jewish/Zionist conspiracies and also support a team owned by a Jewish Zionist.

I am an atheist. Not sure how anybody could really be anything else but I think it's due to my atheism that bigotry drives me so crazy. Religion causes people to think they are special and different and it's only through understanding that we're all the same that we can overcome such bullshit.

Cool story, bro, tell it again to someone who cares. Now fuck off with your Canadian shithouse education system, I'm Australian and we're second so I'm automatically right and you're automatically wrong.

And for the record, though I'm a first year in uni I was accelerated through the history program in high school; did some tertiary accredited courses, and I'm about to complete my major in Soviet Studies by next November.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

And for the record, though I'm a first year in uni I was accelerated through the history program in high school; did some tertiary accredited courses, and I'm about to complete my major in Soviet Studies by next November.

Cap, it annoys me when you give answers like that which are kind of childish, with the whole 'cool story bro'. He made his point in a fairly detailed way, you could do the same back?

[capriccioso 2,545]

Cap, it annoys me when you give answers like that which are kind of childish, with the whole 'cool story bro'. He made his point in a fairly detailed way, you could do the same back?

No, because I'm not interested. I stepped in to defend Choulo and I believe I've done that. Arabs hate Jews and as an Arab he'll know a lot more about why they hate Jews than any of us. They're not Russian/Eastern European/German, they don't think that Jews are out to get/already have control over the world, they just don't like them because they took their land.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

And for the record, though I'm a first year in uni I was accelerated through the history program in high school; did some tertiary accredited courses, and I'm about to complete my major in Soviet Studies by next November.

What's the point? According to your own logic, you didn't live through the Soviet Era and you're from Australia, so you can't possibly know anything about it and since I was alive when the Soviet Union was around, I will always know more than you about it than you. To take your absurd assertion to even a further degree, if I say "The Soviet Union had 7 people in it, was the size of a small car, and everyone only ate chocolate" you can't disagree with me because in your version of history, fact and reality has been replaced entirely by happening to live in the general region and/or time of an event.

No, because I'm not interested. I stepped in to defend Choulo and I believe I've done that. Arabs hate Jews and as an Arab he'll know a lot more about why they hate Jews than any of us. They're not Russian/Eastern European/German, they don't think that Jews are out to get/already have control over the world, they just don't like them because they took their land.

So, let me get get this straight. You're defending Chulou because you think his hatred of Jews is rational? If someone told you: " I hate blacks but I have a good reason" would you say "well, he knows why he hates black people more than anyone else, so I am going to defend him"? It's just madness. Bigotry must be fought everywhere not justified. Racism is not rational. Racism is learned behaviour based on ignorance.

Leaving aside the historical problems with your justification (the current land of Israel was never part of Lebanon, the hypocrisy of the horrible treatment of Palestinians by Lebanon itself, the fact that the creation of countries with one group moving in and displacing another is pretty much how every single country in the world was created-hell you're Australian, did your ancestors get the Aboriginal invitation that said "hey Europeans, please, come steal our land"? , the list is almost endless..), the moral factor is astonishing. You are justifying anti-Semitism because Chulou is an Arab. You are saying, in fact, that all Arabs have the right to hate Jews because Israel exists. If you are going to justify bigotry based on historical events, then you are justifying infinite levels of it. Africans can loathe Europeans forever, Americans can hate Arabs, English people can hate Arabs, The Spanish can hate Arabs. Arabs can hate the Americans and English, Aboriginal peoples can preach hate and violence against Australians, Canadians, Americans, Mexicans...hell, the entire world can just be one big cauldron of justifiable bigotry.

The world is rife with historical injustices, we need to move on to practical solutions instead of constant fighting because something happened 100 years ago that you don't like. You're not old enough to remember The Troubles (and I wasn't alive for the worst of it), but this is a perfect example of the choices you make between justifying hatred and moving towards the future. The problems have generally ceased because both sides have made the right choice. The Queen shook hands with a former IRA commander, Martin McGuinnis this week. The IRA murdered her cousin who was also her son's mentor. It was a horrible thing for England and for the Queen personally. The British government jailed and killed IRA members including friends of McGuinnis. The Troubles killed thousands of civilians in Northern Ireland and in England. Both sides are "justified" hating each other for ever but what good does that do?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

No, because I'm not interested. I stepped in to defend Choulo and I believe I've done that. Arabs hate Jews and as an Arab he'll know a lot more about why they hate Jews than any of us. They're not Russian/Eastern European/German, they don't think that Jews are out to get/already have control over the world, they just don't like them because they took their land.

We'll I'd suggest you tone it down. First of all Arabs don't hate Jews, they hate the Zionist movement, there's a massive difference.

[Ramzi 233]

We'll I'd suggest you tone it down. First of all Arabs don't hate Jews, they hate the Zionist movement, there's a massive difference.

Perfectly explained, as a Palestinian (Half Polish ) Arab myself, I have come to know many Jews that i feel are some of the best people I ever met, But i feel the greed and need for power, and the success at which they achieve this with the world seemingly blind to the fact, is what truly makes me hate Zionists, it's not just that they took over Palestine, it's that feeling that you are being taken advantage of without any way to defend yourself that really irks me. But life is not fair and you must live with what you have and make the best of it.

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

We can't prove it that its real but we can't prove it's fake either.

If you can't find any evidence to support it, your belief is irrational, and the logical thing to do is to abandon it. Simple as that.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I know I said I won't reply anymore but let me clear a couple of things out:

Just for the record, I have nothing against Jews, as LDN said, I hate Zionists. Zionism is completely different than Judaism, which was the point in my original post. Only people who insist to see racism in everyone (doesn't make them the racists?) say they are the same.

Like when I was giving examples on powerful Zionists who influenced world politics, I named, completely randomly, Henry Kissinger, who happens to be a Jew, and Lord Blfour, who happens to be Christian. But TorontoChelsea only chose to comment on Kissinger to say that I am racist.

And on another note, since the main argument is that something happened a 100 years ago then Arabs should forget it, let me explain that you are completely wrong on several levels:

First: It was 64 years ago not 100.

Second: And most importantly, it is not something that "happened" 64 years ago, it is an onslaught that has begun 64 years ago and is still going on. Since 1948, what is known as the State of Israel has killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the most horrendous ways such as air-strikes on unarmed civilians. They have engaged in numerous wars and attempted to occupy numerous Arabian countries. Just yesterday here in Lebanon they crossed the border and kidnapped a shepherd just because they can.

And PS, just for accuracy, there were Jews in Lebanon up until the 80s, and there are Jews in numerous other Arabian countries (Jordan, Egypt...etc).

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Whether you're Arab, Jewish, Christian, any other faith or atheist, the fact is it's plain and simple to see that the occupation of Palestine is illegal.

The original settlement was agreed upon by both Israel and Palestine and the former simply took advantage while the world idly looked on. It's the most disgusting thing when these Zionists claim the holocaust as justification for this, because the Palestenian people are going through their own version.

I think Norman Finkelstein told it well,

[manpe 10,861]

Oh my god

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

Oh my god

Hahahahaha!!! Wonder when the terrorist attack will be.........

[HRiver 1,512]

Scary shit that.

[HRiver 1,512]

Just found this..

How many of you do actually believe in the Illuminati?

[manpe 10,861]

@, yeah I noticed this during the ceremony too. Ever since watching docs about illuminati I have a sharp eye for casual (or "casual"?) pyramids. It's actually surprising at how many places and big events they appear.

Everytime I see them I get this tune in my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZBgHBHQT8

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

we'rent there supposed to be thousands people dead at these Olympics?

acoding to this illuminati crap.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Fuck them and their fucking prisms. Ooh, you place big pyramids everywhere, you're awesome. Please, destroy the world.

Sanath Jayasuriya has more power in his forearms than these heretics. The Masons absorbed them anyway, and they're friendly.

[Ollie 4,400]

Those pyramids certainly do make you think something could happen amongst so many other coincidences that seem to be forming but when will it happen? Closing ceremony? i think it's all bs but cool at the same time. I wouldn't be shocked if something did happen tho. There was an attack in Atlanta. Surprised North Korea aint attacked us yet because of the flag mix up. You know what they're like.

[Wilson 358]

All bullshit as proven. Nothing happened at the Olympics, no such thing as the illuminati.