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I hate Eden Hazard because he hasn't already scored 200 goals for Chelsea and he because was bought for £32 million and because other people like him and because other people hate him and because he h

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I think you and other people are just misinterpreting his interview and his comments about wanting to win the ballon d'or and his attempt to reach the heights of Messi, Ronaldo.

Hazard has always considered himself to be more of a creator then a goalscorer. I think he's right about that and i think the majority of the Chelsea fans do too.

It's basically what Skipper said a couple of pages back : he'll never be a goalscoring machine.

I think Hazard realizes that. He knows that if he goes head to head, in terms of goals, with Ronaldo or Messi ( and other more natural goalscorers then Hazard) he is going to lose no matter how hard he tries, no matter how "consistent" he gets).

He simply lacks certain abilities to be able to compete with themin that aspect. However his abillities are far more suited for creating chances and getting a sh*t load of assists and that's exactly what he's aiming for.

I think he's a lot more likely to get 25+ assists then 25+ goals. For the rest all i'm seeing in that interview is Hazard complimenting Costa and Fabregas. Also i don't see anywhere in that interview where he says that he felt huge pressure last season.

"When the team needed him the most in the title run in he went MIA scoring literally only from penalties and assisting once or twice."

Don't you think that's incredibly unfair towards Hazard considering his top form the months before were the only thing that kept us in the title race for that long ?

I think the lack of end product from our other Am's and our strikers ended up costing us the league not Hazard.

"But for some he's already better than Ronaldo or just behind him and Messi when he isn't"

Please could you show me the quote of the person that said Hazard is already better then Ronaldo. I check the forums regularly and never seen anyone post that.

It wasn't Eden who said it, he would never say something like that. It was someone here (just before my post). What I said about him is that I think is that sometimes his speeches don't match.Saying he wants to win the Balon d'Or and be the best player in the world and work hard for it to happen is something he's said in the past and without sounding arrogant. It showed ambition and I liked it. Now saying he's seemingly happy that someone else has to step up - it doesn't matter if scoring or assisting - doesn't match the first speech. Can you see a discrepancy between those two speeches and his goals? Nobody has to be Messi or Ronaldo talent-wise, scoring-wise, but everyone can step up to be their team's star and the man who wins them matches. I do think he lacks a bit of drive, but he's young, and I'm willing to wait, I just said I'm not too emphatic about my predictions about him because I don't know if he has the mentality a player like Cris and Messi have. I was comparing their attitude, I didn't touch talent (said many brazilians were talented and never reached their potential because they had the wrong mentality), I didn't touch goal scoring (never even mentioned it in any of my posts), it was all about having the mentality in addition to the talent (his relief about not being the guy that will win matches is worrying for his development). I see much less talent in Bale, but also much more hunger and balls.

My point about his bad form at the end of the season (and early in the season too) is just so people can be a little more realistic about him - I never meant we lost the league because of him, but when we needed him the most, he wasn't there. So wasn't Oscar, so wasn't Ramires, so weren't our strikers (those had never been there anyway). The way people talk here it was as if Hazard has done his part and the rest of the team didn't and THAT is ABSOLUTELY unfair. He did his part, but only for a while - as did many others - but he didn't do it consistently - as didn't many others. He didn't have a great season. He had a great streak between November/December until early February (do people even realize that this doesn't correspond to even half of a season?). From March on he wasn't productive, he slowly faded until he go injured around mid-April.

If someone who's never watched Chelsea in their life came to this forum, the feeling they would get from most posts here would be: Hazard was a hell of a player, carried the team and we didn't win the league because we didn't have strikers, because Oscar had a horrible second half of the season, because Ramires had a terrible second half of the season, because our FBs didn't support the attack, because Cech had some important failures, etc... Those things are true, but the Hazard part is a lie. I know it's something new for some people and many others don't accept it at all, but Hazard has flaws just like any other player and addressing them isn't a sin or a crime and shouldn't led people to be lectured. A lot of people are saying we should read Excalibur's post, but I didn't and I won't. I know there's probably a lot of right things there, but the problem is Hazard became a myth in this forum that can't be ever criticized without people overreacting.

The rest of the team had ups and downs, but Hazard - because of the mouthwatering style - is always labeled as this amazing, complete player, when he isn't yet and he gets credit for a lot of things he didn't do - such as having an amazing season. I want more from him this season, the same way I want from Oscar, Schurrle and Willian. They can - and hopefully - will be more productive and consistent. I even said in my second post that if he checked all the right boxes and still didn't win the award, it'd be okay. I don't think he's going to be a scoring machine, but at this point, based on his previous season, he won't be an assist machine either. He needs to step up and be more consistent, like all our young players. And it's okay to demand that from the others, but it causes a problem every time someone mentions the same about Hazard...

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I hope he stays for many years but at least we will get Bale money for him if he leaves.

We can get some very good players for that kind of money so it's not the biggest problem imo.

Also replacing his 10-15 goals/assists is easy if we get a good replacement in, someone like Reus/Gritzemann/Alexis Sanchez quality is more than enough, not to mention huge changes left to maybe sign a top striker/cb IF needed.

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Also replacing his 10-15 goals/assists is easy if we get a good replacement in, someone like Reus/Gritzemann/Alexis Sanchez quality is more than enough, not to mention huge changes left to maybe sign a top striker/cb IF needed.

Hazard is an important player, I'd trade him for nobody.
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If he signs a new contract he wont leave anytime soon, we're not Liverpool (Suarez) we can keep our top players.

Signing a new contract means very little these days, though. It would just mean we wouldn't have to sell him for cheap. Ultimately, it depends only on Eden. If he really wants to play for RM and they want him, he might ask to be sold and there's very little we can do about it.

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Yeah Ronaldo and Messi score like crazy, but when they were younger there were playing more like Hazard with less direct position in team and more focus in wing play and crossing.

I love it how Messi's and Ronaldo's goalscoring record is used to lower Hazard's success, but the fact that PL defenses are much tougher to break gets somehow forgotten...

Hazard will get there, just watch him set the world on fire.

I'm scared of losing him, especially after Mourinho's financial comments. If we are going to sell him, then i want 100m the least if Real even want to talk. I hooe he signs a new long term contract in 2015.

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I love it how Messi's and Ronaldo's goalscoring record is used to lower Hazard's success, but the fact that PL defenses are much tougher to break gets somehow forgotten...

No reason to overestimate the EPL defences. Just look at our last match against Everton for example. Ronaldo also scored very easily in his last seasons for Man United. And I'm pretty sure Messi could easily score 30 odd goals a year in EPL as well.

Still I think you're right Messi and Ronaldo's phenomenal goal scoring shouldn't be abused to downtalk Hazard. But EPL defending is not the correct argument imo, rather the fact that Hazard has other qualities.

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Some of you are worrying so much about what level he will reach eventually that you seem to forget what a quality player he is today..

He'll probably never be as good as Messi or Ronaldo, so what? Enjoy him while you can tbh.

Not to mention we bought him for 32 million pounds.. Players like James Rodriguez(twice) Özil, Di Maria or David Luiz were more expensive than him.

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It wasn't Eden who said it, he would never say something like that. It was someone here (just before my post). What I said about him is that I think is that sometimes his speeches don't match.Saying he wants to win the Balon d'Or and be the best player in the world and work hard for it to happen is something he's said in the past and without sounding arrogant. It showed ambition and I liked it. Now saying he's seemingly happy that someone else has to step up - it doesn't matter if scoring or assisting - doesn't match the first speech. Can you see a discrepancy between those two speeches and his goals? Nobody has to be Messi or Ronaldo talent-wise, scoring-wise, but everyone can step up to be their team's star and the man who wins them matches. I do think he lacks a bit of drive, but he's young, and I'm willing to wait, I just said I'm not too emphatic about my predictions about him because I don't know if he has the mentality a player like Cris and Messi have. I was comparing their attitude, I didn't touch talent (said many brazilians were talented and never reached their potential because they had the wrong mentality), I didn't touch goal scoring (never even mentioned it in any of my posts), it was all about having the mentality in addition to the talent (his relief about not being the guy that will win matches is worrying for his development). I see much less talent in Bale, but also much more hunger and balls.

My point about his bad form at the end of the season (and early in the season too) is just so people can be a little more realistic about him - I never meant we lost the league because of him, but when we needed him the most, he wasn't there. So wasn't Oscar, so wasn't Ramires, so weren't our strikers (those had never been there anyway). The way people talk here it was as if Hazard has done his part and the rest of the team didn't and THAT is ABSOLUTELY unfair. He did his part, but only for a while - as did many others - but he didn't do it consistently - as didn't many others. He didn't have a great season. He had a great streak between November/December until early February (do people even realize that this doesn't correspond to even half of a season?). From March on he wasn't productive, he slowly faded until he go injured around mid-April.

If someone who's never watched Chelsea in their life came to this forum, the feeling they would get from most posts here would be: Hazard was a hell of a player, carried the team and we didn't win the league because we didn't have strikers, because Oscar had a horrible second half of the season, because Ramires had a terrible second half of the season, because our FBs didn't support the attack, because Cech had some important failures, etc... Those things are true, but the Hazard part is a lie. I know it's something new for some people and many others don't accept it at all, but Hazard has flaws just like any other player and addressing them isn't a sin or a crime and shouldn't led people to be lectured. A lot of people are saying we should read Excalibur's post, but I didn't and I won't. I know there's probably a lot of right things there, but the problem is Hazard became a myth in this forum that can't be ever criticized without people overreacting.

The rest of the team had ups and downs, but Hazard - because of the mouthwatering style - is always labeled as this amazing, complete player, when he isn't yet and he gets credit for a lot of things he didn't do - such as having an amazing season. I want more from him this season, the same way I want from Oscar, Schurrle and Willian. They can - and hopefully - will be more productive and consistent. I even said in my second post that if he checked all the right boxes and still didn't win the award, it'd be okay. I don't think he's going to be a scoring machine, but at this point, based on his previous season, he won't be an assist machine either. He needs to step up and be more consistent, like all our young players. And it's okay to demand that from the others, but it causes a problem every time someone mentions the same about Hazard...

No i don't. Again i think you're just reading waay too much into it. Hazard never said that he didn't wanna score anymore just that with Costa up front he can focus more on assists. To me that means that he thinks Costa is a better finisher then our strikers last season and that he'll be able to get more assists this season.

"his relief about not being the guy that will win matches is worrying for his development" Honestly where are you getting this ? I've read that interview 10 times and can't find a single thing about Hazard saying he feels pressure or that he feels relieved not being the guy that will win us matches.

"The way people talk here it was as if Hazard has done his part and the rest of the team didn't and THAT is ABSOLUTELY unfair" But it is fair to single out Hazard and say "when the team needed him the most in the title run he went MIA" ?

If you're gonna single out Hazard then i'm definitely going to bring up the fact that the rest of our attacking players went MIA for most of the season.

Hazard has flaws just like any other player and addressing them isn't a sin or a crime and shouldn't led people to be lectured. No one is saying Hazard doesn't have flaws and addressing them isn't a sin or a crime however you should have realized by now that people have different opinions. What you find a flaw other people might not. Hazard's mentality for example you find it a flaw, i don't. Difference of opinion.

No one is lecturing anyone. People are debating, this is a forum after all.

"A lot of people are saying we should read Excalibur's post, but I didn't and I won't" Don't you think it's kinda insulting to be ignoring someone's post just because you might not like what they have written down ? It's was a good post with good argument. It's worth reading.

"the problem is Hazard became a myth in this forum that can't be ever criticized without people overreacting." Please, Hazard gets plenty of criticism. Only difference with other player topics is that here when you criticize you have to be capable of actually backing it up with facts.

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Some of you are worrying so much about what level he will reach eventually that you seem to forget what a quality player he is today..

He'll probably never be as good as Messi or Ronaldo, so what? Enjoy him while you can tbh.

He's already better than Ronaldo in certain aspects in my opinion. Ronaldo is a great goalscorer but as an all-round footballer I think Hazard is better than him at plenty of things - but then nobody really cares because Ronaldo scores 50 a season.

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The under appreciation off Hazard by some people on here is criminal.

Very true .... I really don't get it tbh. Also, it has been this way ever since he got here - nagging galore.

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